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New Brunswick paper apologizes to PM for communion story
Canwest News Service and National Post ^ | 2009-07-28 | Linda Nguyen

Posted on 08/01/2009 12:05:00 PM PDT by Clive

A New Brunswick newspaper that ran a front-page apology Tuesday for a story that claimed Prime Minister Stephen Harper had pocketed a communion wafer has also announced that its publisher and editor-in-chief are no longer with the paper.

Saint John Telegraph-Journal publisher Jamie Irving and editor Shawna Richer were no longer at their posts, effective immediately, said Annie Smith, a spokeswoman for the New Brunswick News Inc., the company that owns the daily paper.

"She is no longer editor, and (he) is no longer the publisher," she said. "I don't have any information other than that."

Ms. Smith would not comment on whether Irving or Richer had been fired or had resigned, nor whether either would take another position with the newspaper. No decision has been made on who will take over their roles, she said.

Mr. Irving is the son of James K. Irving, the eldest of three sons of billionaire industrialist K.C. Irving. The Irving family owns the newspaper.

The paper published the apology for a July 8 story, saying it "was inaccurate and should not have been published."

The story created a national controversy that lasted for several days, while Mr. Harper was attending a G8 gathering in Italy and preparing to meet the Pope.

"There was no credible support for these statements of fact at the time this article was published, nor is the Telegraph-Journal aware of any credible support for these statements now," said the apology, written under a double-bolded headline in capital letters. "The Telegraph-Journal sincerely apologizes to the prime minister for the harm that this inaccurate story has caused."

A spokesman for Harper, Andrew MacDougall, said Tuesday the prime minister has accepted the newspaper's apology. Mr. MacDougall declined to comment further.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: apology; communion; g8summit; medialies; newspapers; stephenharper; vatican

1 posted on 08/01/2009 12:05:00 PM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 08/01/2009 12:05:42 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

No surprise that The Telegraph would do this. They hate Conservatives and they hate competition. They go to extremes to drive rival publications out of business. I saw it last year as they bankrupted the local competitor in Carleton County by blackmailing advertisers who placed ads in both papers.


3 posted on 08/01/2009 12:12:17 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Squawk 8888; headsonpikes; AntiKev; Snowyman; ...

4 posted on 08/01/2009 12:14:29 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: buccaneer81

Do you think a new editor and publisher will be any different?


5 posted on 08/01/2009 12:15:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: Clive

I was very happy to hear the owners had done the right thing.

Now maybe they can go clean up a few more of their papers.


6 posted on 08/01/2009 12:17:15 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: GeronL
Do you think a new editor and publisher will be any different?

No. They're just covering their butts. It's the Irving Family that's behind this. They're the New Brunswick mafia. They control the media, the oil business and have 80% of the retail gasoline business in the province.

7 posted on 08/01/2009 12:18:45 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Clive
Earlier stories picked up by FR:

'It's a scandal'(Catholics demand explanation for PM pocketing communion wafer at LeBlanc funeral)

Video shows Canadian PM Putting Communion Wafer In His Pocket

Outrageous if true, but not true so not outrageous.

8 posted on 08/01/2009 12:20:46 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Clive
I went and took a look at the video.

The PM did in fact take the Host from the priest - obviously had no idea how to receive or what he was supposed to do. The priest then passes in front of him so that it's not possible to see exactly what he did with the Host - he may have looked to see what others were doing (like you look to see which fork to use at a dinner party) and then put it in his mouth (seems most likely to me).

Harper is C&MA, a relatively small Evangelical church, so it's quite likely he had no idea what to do or what the meaning of it all was.

But shame on his advance staff for not briefing him on protocol.

9 posted on 08/01/2009 12:26:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Clive
It's good that he didn't "pocket" the Blessed Sacrament and it's good that the paper dealt with those who promulgated the false story.

However, what's been lost in the story is that as a Protestant, Harper should never have attempted to recieve communion to beginwith. Further, if the priest was aware that Harper was a Protestant, he should not have given him communion.

10 posted on 08/01/2009 12:27:33 PM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I wonder if any FReepers are going to apologize for the stupid comments they made in the earlier threads?


11 posted on 08/01/2009 12:28:13 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Most of the comments still stand.

He should not have received. His advance staff should have warned him. The priest should not have given him the Host when it was immediately obvious that he didn't know what he was doing (sticking out his hand as if to shake the priest's hand). Priests need to be very vigilant because satanists and troublemakers like that professor who threw the Body of Christ in the garbage DO exist.

It still isn't clear what happened to the Host, the video doesn't show. Harper says he didn't pocket the Host, no particular reason to think he was lying. Either he consumed it, knowing no better, left it in the pew, ditto, or he sensibly asked a nearby Catholic, who reverently took the Host and delivered it back to the priest after the Mass.

The newspaper was wrong to put out a false story when the video shows no such thing.

12 posted on 08/01/2009 12:33:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Clive

You can also read that as...”K.C.Irving Empire apologizes to PM for communion story”. Since they own all the English-language daily newspapers in the entire province. Old K.C. would spin in his grave like a lathe if he witnessed this while he was alive.


13 posted on 08/01/2009 12:44:00 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: AAABEST

You’re right. We Protestants can only take Protestant Communion.


14 posted on 08/01/2009 1:49:06 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: Clive

There were more than a few people here at FR who assumed the paper was telling the truth and attacked the PM for his “bad behavior”.


15 posted on 08/01/2009 2:19:49 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AAABEST

I was at boy scout camp, and my son decided he wanted to see what the Catholic service was like, so we went, and I told him we would not take communion.

But I was surprised that the Priest said nothing about communion being only for Catholics, and I watched several non-Catholics (and there were probably more that I didn’t know were non-Catholics) go up and take communion.

The Priest was doing both putting the host on the tongue, AND putting it in hands, and one person did start walking away with the host and the Priest had to stop, go after them, and instruct them to partake immediately.

But it doesn’t appear that this Priest had any interest in keeping non-Catholics from partaking of Communion.


16 posted on 08/01/2009 2:22:42 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Clive

MSM makes things up and ignores things that exist. Oh, to live in Happy Land.


17 posted on 08/01/2009 2:22:59 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: AnAmericanMother

It’s really not the job of the apostates to know what the rules of the one true church are. That some of us DO know and help the Catholics protect their own mass out of our own good will doesn’t negate the fact that it is the Catholic Church’s job to keep the unwashed from partaking. There’s no point blaming non-Catholics for not adhering to Catholic protocols.

Interestingly, after the Catholic service at Boy Scout camp, I was explaining the Catholic communion to my son, walking with another boy from our troop who was Catholic. When I stopped and asked the boy if he could add or correct anything I said since he was part of the church, he said that he frankly didn’t know half of what I was saying, and couldn’t explain what the Priest was doing.

So maybe there is a training that the Catholic Church needs to pick up on for both their Priests and their congregations, to help protect the sacred sacrements better. Because I can tell you that there aren’t many protestants like me who take the time to learn about other beliefs and try to respect them.


18 posted on 08/01/2009 2:28:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: sportutegrl

OK, what is “Protestant Communion”.


19 posted on 08/01/2009 2:28:56 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

A communion performed by a Protestant church.


20 posted on 08/01/2009 2:30:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So, you figure there is one homogeneous “Protestant Communions”?
21 posted on 08/01/2009 2:32:35 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You and I are in a different situation from the PM of Canada.

As a head of state, he has a protocol office that is supposed to be on the alert for this sort of thing, precisely to avoid the sort of scandal that resulted.

As I said, I don't blame him personally because he obviously had no idea what was coming. Boo to his staff, they fell down on the job.

And boo also to the priest, who was on autopilot and not paying attention. He seems to be quite elderly, and he may have been completely discombobulated because it was a state funeral and a lot going on. An altar boy or deacon in attendance with a paten might have helped, but at a funeral where you know many non-Catholics are going to be in attendance it's the priest's responsibility to make a little announcement either before the Mass begins or after the Liturgy of the Word for the benefit of the non-Catholics present.

So I think we're pretty much in agreement. And, sadly, it is a scandal that so many young Catholics are poorly catechized or not instructed at all. That seems particularly prevalent in parishes that went all gooshy after VCII, trying to softpedal or ignore anything that made Catholics 'different'. Fortunately, when we converted we found a truly orthodox parish that has a very active instruction program for children AND adults.

My daughter was in the first class of confirmands that were presented to our new archbishop after his installation. As a new broom, I guess, he decided that he was going to catechize the kids, live and on open mike in the service!!!! -- to say that our Parochial Vicar and Christian Education supervisor were collectively having kittens is an understatement! Fortunately the kids had been well instructed and absolutely nobody muffed their questions (big sighs of relief from the PV and our Sunday School lady).

22 posted on 08/01/2009 2:53:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mr. Lucky; CharlesWayneCT
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "non-Catholic", which is what Chas originally said.

Obviously protestant denominations vary both in their theological views of communion, and whether communion is "open" or "closed". I know Baptist churches that not only have closed communion, but even members have to be in good standing to receive. I'm sure there are others as well.

But I know what he means.

23 posted on 08/01/2009 2:58:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mr. Lucky

No, but so far as I can tell, there are no mainstream protestant churches that deny communion to any other protestants. I could be wrong about that.


24 posted on 08/01/2009 3:16:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AnAmericanMother

That’s interesting. I know Baptists can refuse membership until you have a Baptist baptism, but I haven’t ever been to a Baptist church which refused communion to non-Baptists.

But obviously, I have not been to every church :-)


25 posted on 08/01/2009 3:18:31 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Well, my experience is obviously somewhat limited, but a friend's Baptist church gives communion only to members in good standing.

That was also true of an Alabama Baptist church in the 1800s . . . I wrote an article awhile back for The Alabama Review and I read all the minutes of that church from its founding in 1832 until most of the members moved to the nearest railhead in 1898. They kept a list of who qualified for communion. Of course, they WERE way out in the country and everybody knew everybody else's business in detail.

They were pretty heavyhanded in "disfellowshipping" people, btw. My great-uncle 'held a dancing party at his house' and he was not only disfellowshipped, he was 'henceforth to be held as a heathen and a publican.'

"So long as they didn't say REpublican," remarked my dad.

26 posted on 08/01/2009 3:27:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mr. Lucky
All I know is that we celebrate Communion in our Baptist church. I also know that along with Catholics, the Baptists and probably other non-Catholic Christians do not like non members to partake of their communion service.

We all celebrate Holy Communion, but you do yours and I'll do mine.

27 posted on 08/01/2009 3:37:45 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
So, you figure there is one homogeneous “Protestant Communions”?

No, but I didn't want to list all of the different sects that I know of that celebrate. I myself am Baptist. (Flame away), The original post that I was commenting on said:

"However, what's been lost in the story is that as a Protestant, Harper should never have attempted to recieve communion to beginwith. Further, if the priest was aware that Harper was a Protestant, he should not have given him communion.

As has been implied on this thread already, we, the great unwashed, non-One True Church Christians simply aren't good enough to partake of the Catholic Communion.

28 posted on 08/01/2009 3:51:37 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

You are almost correct about the protocol. The Prime Minister is Head of Government, not Head of State. In Canada, Her Majesty the Queen of Canada, is the Head of State. Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada acts on Her Majesty’s behalf when the Queen is out of the country.

Unlike here in the US where The President serves as both Head of State (symbolic leader of the nation) and Head of Government (the person who administers the government and sets policy), in Canada and most other nations, those two offices are separate.


29 posted on 08/01/2009 4:01:07 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: AnAmericanMother
So long as they didn't say REpublican," remarked my dad.

LOL

30 posted on 08/01/2009 4:15:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GreenLanternCorps
I beg your pardon, I spoke (wrote?) hastily. One would think an honors history degree with a specialty in British and American military history would protect one from such solecisms . . . but not always.

Canada of course is still a member of the Commonwealth, and the Queen is still the Head of State (much as those in certain quarters would like to forget it).

31 posted on 08/01/2009 4:40:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sportutegrl
No, really, you have it all wrong.

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that you're 'not good enough', although particularly Americans with their "I'm just as good as you are" philosophy tend to take it that way.

Reception of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church involves two things: First, a statement or affirmation by action that you agree with all the teachings of the Church - "I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived." If you don't believe, you should not receive, because you are acting a lie. Second, the belief that the Host is in essence and in fact the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity. Not only would you be acting a lie if you received without believing, you also would be 'eating and drinking damnation unto yourself'. 1st Cor. 11:29.

So it's not that you're 'not good enough' (who are we to judge the state of your soul) but that you're not in communion with the Catholic Church. Like they say on the little plastic bags, it's for your protection.

32 posted on 08/01/2009 4:46:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Being a REpublican in South Alabama in the 1870s was probably worse than being a devil worshipper or a Mohammedan.

Not that anybody in the area had ever met one or the other . . . knowingly.

33 posted on 08/01/2009 4:48:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

No problem, I’m a history buff myself. I just get a “nails on the blackboard” feeling when a hear or read a reporter or writer describe a Prime Minister as head of state. I see it too often and I think it’s sloppy.

You just got caught in my pet peeve. :)


34 posted on 08/01/2009 4:50:14 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Not the first time! ! I had on my Catholic Convert Zeal hat, not my History hat or my Screaming Anglophile hat.

Too many hats here . . . . < g >

35 posted on 08/01/2009 4:51:34 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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