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Birth of a nation: Too many Americans buy crank theory on Obama's citizenship
New York Daily News ^ | Saturday, August 1st 2009

Posted on 08/01/2009 1:38:58 PM PDT by presidio9

There's Red America, Blue America and Tinfoil Helmet America. And it looks like the third camp is enormously larger than anyone feared.

A new poll, commissioned by the liberal Web site Daily Kos found that fully 11% of Americans think that Barack Obama wasn't born in the United States. And another 12% said that they are unsure.

The doubters are heavily concentrated in the Republican Party, according to pollsters. An amazing 58% of the surveyed Republicans questioned whether Obama, in fact, entered the world in Hawaii.

What this means: Millions of Americans suspect or are convinced that Obama, son of a Kenyan father, is not a citizen and thus cannot legitimately serve as President. And no Hawaiian birth certificate or newspaper announcement from the time will convince them otherwise.

Who are these people? They're the ones whose feet are not planted on U.S. soil - or any soil.


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President Obama is my president. I watched him take the oath of office. For me, the citizen ship sailed when the Reverend Wright ship sailed. Or when the Bill Ayers ship sailed. I sympathisize with people who continue to cling to thing to the hope that he will leave office, but I've moved on. I do, however, resent the left's idea that everyone who believes things like this is a right wing extremesit.

Remember the two Bush IQ hoaxes? What do you suppose the percentage of liberals are who are convinced that Bush's score is below 100? Based on my interactions with them, I suppose that it is more than half. And I beleve 95% of all American's would not suspect that his SAT Scores put him in the "Moderately Gifted" group betwen 130 and 144.

1 posted on 08/01/2009 1:38:59 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

he won’t be removed from office, but I think that the public has a right to see his records...now that he is “our” president.


2 posted on 08/01/2009 1:40:41 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: presidio9
full scale marginalization hasn't worked. Be interesting to see what's next.

*tih is agnostic on the BC issue, but not on the manipulative machinations of the media.

3 posted on 08/01/2009 1:40:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: presidio9

Another BS article.


4 posted on 08/01/2009 1:41:52 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: presidio9
Big part of it is the scapegoat buyout that 'sumpin's not right', they don't know what it is, but they'll hang their collective hat on that for right now.

Like the used car salesman, you don't know 'zactly what he's lyn'bout, but you know 'sumpins' not right.

5 posted on 08/01/2009 1:42:38 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: presidio9

Show me the long form!


6 posted on 08/01/2009 1:44:02 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Americanwolf

he won’t be removed from office, but I think that the public has a right to see his records...now that he is “our” president.”

Why do you think that he has spent over $1 million dollars out of his campaign donations monies to keep this document from surfacing?

Not logical in any sense.

WHEN it shown that he is/was/will never be eligible, the Supreme Court and Congress MUST remove him or abdicate from the Constitution!!


7 posted on 08/01/2009 1:44:41 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: presidio9

$950,000 in legal fees is enough reason for me to think he’s hiding something.


8 posted on 08/01/2009 1:44:48 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: presidio9
Obama, son of a Kenyan father, is not a citizen

By his own admission..and the laws existing at that time....

9 posted on 08/01/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: presidio9

You said — President Obama is my president. I watched him take the oath of office. For me, the citizen ship sailed when the Reverend Wright ship sailed. Or when the Bill Ayers ship sailed. I sympathisize with people who continue to cling to thing to the hope that he will leave office, but I’ve moved on. I do, however, resent the left’s idea that everyone who believes things like this is a right wing extremesit.

I just say to do the normal and sane and practical thing and get a state law passed that requires a candidate to produce his birth certificate or else he cannot be placed on the ballot.

I don’t know why so many here argue against that solution (and they do... )... LOL...

See this thread for someone who *gets the right idea*... :-)

(Vanity Post) We Need One State To Challenge Obambi’s Status
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2305746/posts


10 posted on 08/01/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9

The ‘unsure’ number will continue going up.


11 posted on 08/01/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (veritas odium parit)
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To: norraad

Like the used car salesman, you don’t know ‘zactly what he’s lyn’bout, but you know ‘sumpins’ not right.”

At least with a used car- you can demand “Car Fax” data about the car- from it’s birth!!


12 posted on 08/01/2009 1:45:48 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: presidio9

If I were a public official, and you sued me asking only to see a document that you believed should be public, and rather than spend a couple of bucks to obtain and release it, I spent > a million bucks fighting you, would you suspect I was hiding something?

I believe this is what has set off the radar of millions of people. The MSM, of course, is incapable of acknowledging any reasonable basis for their concern.

I, for one, have always been skeptical that he was born outside the U.S. But I nonetheless have to wonder what the big secret is with the long form.


13 posted on 08/01/2009 1:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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To: presidio9
You are KIDDING....right??

People SAID that Bush had an IQ of 100

Obama has NOT produced his Long Form Birth Certificate.....

Oh, yeah....same EXACT thing! /sarc

14 posted on 08/01/2009 1:46:24 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: freekitty

You said — Another BS article.

Actually the BS is with those who say that we don’t need a state law to get Obama to show his birth certificate. They are the ones who are deranged about “reality”...

See this thread for someone who *gets the right idea*... :-)

(Vanity Post) We Need One State To Challenge Obambi’s Status
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2305746/posts


15 posted on 08/01/2009 1:46:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9

obama lied about being patriotic
obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class
obama lied about being post-racial
obama lied about abortion
obama lied about gun control
obama lied about spending responsibly
and those who are sceptical on his citizenship claims wear “tinfoil hats”?


16 posted on 08/01/2009 1:47:22 PM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: freespirited; presidio9
I, for one, have always been skeptical that he was born outside the U.S. But I nonetheless have to wonder what the big secret is with the long form

Who's his daddy?

17 posted on 08/01/2009 1:47:24 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Mikey_1962

You said — Show me the long form!

Then make a state law saying so... LOL...

See this thread for someone who *gets the right idea*... :-)

(Vanity Post) We Need One State To Challenge Obambi’s Status
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2305746/posts


18 posted on 08/01/2009 1:47:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9
Here is New Mexico Gov Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"

19 posted on 08/01/2009 1:48:06 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You said — full scale marginalization hasn’t worked. Be interesting to see what’s next.

Well one might try the sane and rational thing... LOL...

See this thread for someone who *gets the right idea*... :-)

(Vanity Post) We Need One State To Challenge Obambi’s Status
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2305746/posts


20 posted on 08/01/2009 1:48:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9

Just show me the birth certificate and the college transcripts!!

Even with a BC he is still a lying RACIST Marxist!

I do not give two hoots in hell what any one else thinks about those of us questioning his vital statistics.


21 posted on 08/01/2009 1:48:40 PM PDT by texican01
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To: presidio9
President Obama is my president.

Former US Senator obama is not my president. He is an evil and divisive druggie who hates capitalism, hates white people, and hates America. He is the usurper in my White House and a threat to my country, nothing more.

22 posted on 08/01/2009 1:49:07 PM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: presidio9
Most people cannot believe what has happened with the election of this accident! It is shock, horror and dismay. Many are thinking "What have we done?" You cannot blame people for going off the deep end when they cast about for some way to undo the disaster they have helped perpetrate. I can forgive them as I understand the depth of their feelings.(Forgiveness is an "in thing" right now,)
23 posted on 08/01/2009 1:49:27 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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As I posted earlier on another topic, we will NEVER know the truth about Obama’s birth certificate. Long before this became a public matter, Obama’s handlers took care of the records. We will NEVER know the facts. It's time to focus on the future and forget this issue. Obama is NOT going to be removed from office over his birth certificate. I don't like it, but we have to deal with the reality of the situation.
24 posted on 08/01/2009 1:49:50 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: texican01

You said — Just show me the birth certificate and the college transcripts!!

If you want to see the birth certificate, you’re going to have to get that state law passed that I’m talking about. Since it is not a *legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate, you’re not going to see it — and that’s the reason why you haven’t seen it up to this time...


25 posted on 08/01/2009 1:50:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Here we go again. We don’t need any new laws. Just enforce the ones on the books.


26 posted on 08/01/2009 1:50:59 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nosterrex

You said — Obama is NOT going to be removed from office over his birth certificate. I don’t like it, but we have to deal with the reality of the situation.

There is a bit of *insanity* involved with some in this group, when saying that Obama has to show them his birth certificate. For the first thing, they cannot even recognize that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate. And for the second thing — when there *is a solution* that will solve that problem (enact a state law...) — those same people will *oppose a state law* saying something to the effect that “no stinkin’ law is needed” for Obama to show me his birth certificate... LOL...

That’s what I call “going insane” — which I think happened to a lot of people on November 5th...


27 posted on 08/01/2009 1:53:31 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9

Yeah, me too, same old question.....so why is he hiding it? What’s the deal?


28 posted on 08/01/2009 1:53:45 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: presidio9
President Obama is my president.

Sorry, I can't make that same statement. But I will agree he's in office and I respect the office.
29 posted on 08/01/2009 1:54:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: presidio9
I wonder if they polled how many Americans think Bush orchestrated planes to fly into the WTC and the Pentagon, what type of percentage they would get. Or if they polled how many Americans think Bush steered Hurricane Katrina into New Orleans just to kill black people, what type of percentage they would get?

All I want to know is, why won't Obama reveal the birth certificate? This is really so easy to swat down and yet he refuses to do it. Why?

We don't need prove of black helicopters or space aliens to blow the entire "birther" question out of the water. We just need the paper copy of a sealed and notorized birth certificate.

I can get mine from the State of New Jersey for just a few bucks and a return envelope. It's ridiculously easy. Why is it too difficult for the most powerful man in the world?

I know there is practically no chance Obama will be removed from office. To me, that's not the issue. The issue is why a request that almost anyone else needs to comply with in order to get a job with the federal government is so difficult for this person to comply with?

I just want to see a valid paper birth certificate. Produce it, and I'm willing to let the whole issue die.

30 posted on 08/01/2009 1:54:40 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Don Corleone
>>Obama, son of a Kenyan father, is not a citizen<<

Obama could be a citizen but he IS NOT a natural born citizen because his father (by Obama's own admission) was a Kenyan national. He is therefore ineligible to be President of the United States because he had only one parent who was a U.S. citizen. It takes two.

31 posted on 08/01/2009 1:54:40 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: freekitty

You said — Here we go again. We don’t need any new laws. Just enforce the ones on the books.

The problem, as you well know by now..., is that there is *no legal requirement* for any candidate to show his birth certificate...

I’m always amazed at how *disconnected with reality* some are, when presented with a clear solution — such as enact a state law... but no.... they can’t figure it out... LOL...


32 posted on 08/01/2009 1:55:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: presidio9

A) Neither the Obama faction, nor his Republican hack defenders, have produced ANY document that proves he was born in the United States, which, considering the legal status of his alleged parents, he had to be to be constitutionally qualified to be President of the United States.

B) Even if forced to produce the actual long form birth certificate, and were that document to prove that he was born in Hawaii, that is not enough. He very well may have expatriated himself as an adult. That’s why his college and passport documents must also be shown.


33 posted on 08/01/2009 1:58:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just say NO to national socialism!)
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To: presidio9
The doubters are heavily concentrated in the Republican Party, according to pollsters.

That's because liberals and Democrats don't want to know. As proof, look at the death of investigative journalism. It's not that the MSM doesn't know how or can't afford to do it anymore, they are just afraid of what they might find on either side of the aisle, so they don't even try anymore.

-PJ

34 posted on 08/01/2009 1:58:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: presidio9

By the way, this piece is the worst kind of lying trash.

Yellow journalism of the worst sort.


35 posted on 08/01/2009 1:59:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just say NO to national socialism!)
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To: presidio9

Analogous to the old 7-Up commecials, there’s also Un-America.

Like Obama and his apologists, including this author.


36 posted on 08/01/2009 1:59:49 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: presidio9
What this means: Millions of Americans suspect or are convinced that Obama, son of a Kenyan father, is not a citizen and thus cannot legitimately serve as President.

Always start with a LIE to build your case.

Obama could release his vital birth records that are held by the state of Hawaii. THIS document has the citizenship of both of his parents. This is how we would know if he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. With a KENYAN father he could be a CITIZEN with an American mother. To be President of the US you MUST be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. What is so hard to understand about that?

37 posted on 08/01/2009 2:01:08 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The doubters are heavily concentrated in the Republican Party, according to pollsters.

No thanks to their yellow-bellied "leaders."

38 posted on 08/01/2009 2:01:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Just say NO to national socialism!)
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To: presidio9
And no Hawaiian birth certificate or newspaper announcement from the time will convince them otherwise.

Do you notice that all of the anti-Birther articles always start right out with untrue statements like the one above. None of us have seen Obama's Birth Certificate and the writer of this article would know that if he/she had done 10 minutes worth of real research on the subject. Such is the state of American Journalism today. Sad to say.

39 posted on 08/01/2009 2:02:21 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: presidio9

Obama has hidden, cloaked, lost and disposed of more of the paper trail of his life than any other human in US political history. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Asking for documentation of the name of the physician that delivered Ann Dunham is a minor request.


40 posted on 08/01/2009 2:02:25 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Only ACORN could put a long legged mac daddy, quasi-muslim, communist freak into the white house...)
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To: Star Traveler

If only 1 state passes a law requiring physical proof of a BC before the next election he will have show it he runs again. THAT would force the issue once and for all.


41 posted on 08/01/2009 2:04:11 PM PDT by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: presidio9

There’s Red America, Blue America and Tinfoil Helmet America
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Tinfoil Helmet America? Hm?....Looks like those defending the Constitution are at stage II.

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi


42 posted on 08/01/2009 2:04:17 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: presidio9
O.K. Simple Question, though.

Why is the long form birth certificate an Ultra Top State Secret?

43 posted on 08/01/2009 2:05:09 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: presidio9

We need to have confidence in our leader, we do not need a confidence man leading us


44 posted on 08/01/2009 2:05:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: buccaneer81
Who's his daddy?

Perhaps Officer Crowley was able to lift some DNA.

45 posted on 08/01/2009 2:06:29 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: mitchbert

You said — If only 1 state passes a law requiring physical proof of a BC before the next election he will have show it he runs again. THAT would force the issue once and for all.

Well..., I’m glad we’ve got one FReeper posting this... LOL...

Yes, that’s the idea. However, I have also said that it should be maybe five or so states, so that a candidate couldn’t just bypass the one state. That’s possible, even if it did raise questions. But, bypassing, let’s say, about five states would cause an uproar...

Anyway, that’s why I would like to see at least about five state... :-)


46 posted on 08/01/2009 2:06:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: InterceptPoint
if he/she had done 10 minutes worth of real research on the subject.
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The author has done more than 10 minutes of research. This Marxist author is deliberately lying!

Marxism is our nation's most serious threat.

Corollary: **ALL** Marxists lie!

47 posted on 08/01/2009 2:07:06 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: presidio9

All you have to do is watch Obama and his flunkies very closely. Notice they NEVER EVER address the issue of his citizenship directly, they leave it to others to laugh it off. Folks, if Obama was really an American citizen, he would simply produce an official birth certificate. People are freaking out because they can’t handle the fact that we have allowed an African tribalist to run our nation. This is truly one of the most bizarre periods in history.


48 posted on 08/01/2009 2:07:51 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: FormerACLUmember; presidio9

You asked a simple question — Why is the long form birth certificate an Ultra Top State Secret?

And you get a simple answer — there is no *legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate. :-)


49 posted on 08/01/2009 2:08:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: x_plus_one

You said — Obama has hidden, cloaked, lost and disposed of more of the paper trail of his life than any other human in US political history. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Asking for documentation of the name of the physician that delivered Ann Dunham is a minor request.

And you’ve gotten exactly nothing in response. One very clear reason why no one has been shown the birth certificate is that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show it. And that’s precisely why the simple solution is to enact a state law requiring it...

But, that’s just “too much” for some people to fathom...


50 posted on 08/01/2009 2:09:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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