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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
Barry's Kenyan B.C.??
Special Motion for leave
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Excuse me but Obama Sr was her SON so of course she would be there. That makes no sense. I just reread what was written.
You are absolutely right.
I apparently re-pasted the other link. My mistake.
So the 1963 constitution doesn’t really address name at all — just Kenya.
Have you seen all this?
I’m glad to see you are catching on, no one else is...
That is exactly why when someone runs for President all records should be an open book including passport records. There is no reason to keep anything like that secret if you want to be President.
I disagree. The ink from the ribbon will also show grey depending on how much the ribbon has been saturated with ink. I've taken photos of older documents (family genealogy) and the type comes out grey... something to do with indoor lighting and having to get close. Also, I still have some of those old carbon papers and they come in dark blue and black and tend to leave smudges on the "copy" page. I've never thought this one was a "carbon copy" and still don't.
Actually, it does not matter if the majority and powerful people agree that it is alright for the Democrats to break the constitution for Obama.
You only need one judge to stand by the constitution and check the questions. Only one lawyer to ask the questions. Only one plaintiff to demand answsers.
The rule of law - a Republic - is not a majority nor a corrupt elite’s rule.
what will be his downfall, birth certificate(s) notwithstanding, is his arrogant contempt for America and her citizens
That’s the amended constitution. The original 1963 constitution made no mention of “republic” at all. I examined it here: http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf
If — that’s IF — that doc is the entire original, you can search high and low and not find the word “republic” in it. I also looked, all day, at various places, at ebay and other merchant sites for Kenyan stamps and currency, at newspaperarchive.org for contemporary references, at Google images, you name it I was in it, and I couldn’t find anything.*
That’s not to say the words “Republic of Kenya” could not have been on official paperwork in Feb ‘64. Stranger things have I seen. But we need to round up some 45-year-old Kenyans to confirm it because there’s nothing on the internet.
*Ok, one place I didn’t go...genealogy sites. I’ve taken the pledge, no genealogical research. :)
No, there is evidence that Kenyatta’s people were using the term Republic in the fall of 1963.
Does it play into anything ?
Who do you think could have sent the document? I don’t think it was Hillary. But I do think Obama has a lot of enemies, foreign and domestic; Democrat and Republican.
It looks like it is still a Republic even though it doesn't have Republic in the text of the Constitution.
Our form of government is also a Republic, but the word doesn't occur in our Constitution either, only the word Republican.
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
Since the Kenya Constitution in 1963 looks like it was a Republic, (as is the USA, even if the word is not in our Constitution) it doesn't really prove whether they were using the word Republic of Kenya or not earlier than the change in the text of their Constitution. But it's good to have the original text.
BAHH!! I had forgotten about that messy little hold up. Ugh trying to get those buggers untangled and getting ribbon ink all over your hands (and usually your face that you don’t see until 2 hours later in the restroom mirror)
No. The paper is dated '64. Mombasa was in Kenya in '64. That's like saying someone was born in 1964 in New York City, England because hey! at one time NYC was owned by England.
I was all over WND, I didn’t see any multiple examples of Kenyan BCs from the time period were discussing.
Refer to my post 4110
to see where else I’ve been. (Pretty much everywhere, looking for “Republic of Kenya.”)
If he tried to say he never knew, I’d ask him why he hid behind a team of lawyers trying to cover this up.
However, the bottom line is that it's another BOGUS BIRTH DOCUMENT. It's not a birth certificate at all.
Here are a few findings by the members of the group and from other contacts:
I am amazed at the cluelessness of many people in this forum about the above obvious fake document. For instance: Kenya didn’t become a republic until December 1964; E.F Lavender is a common detergent in Kenya & the certificate# 44 0 47 is laughable: 47 = he’s the 44th US President, O = Obama & 47 = his age. Are all these coincidental you lunatics.
Above all, Kenya is one of the most corrupt nations in the world & any body can obtain a forged document in minutes. The person who made this document was a person who wanted to make some few quick & easy dollars from brain-dead birther lunatics.
Rallying around such blatant forgeries only helps to discredit ‘birther’ lunatics. BTW, thanks for giving unemployed Kenyan guys more $$$ to continue feeding you guys with blatant forgeries! Grow up guys!
In 1961, hospitals in Kenya did issue birth certificates. Starting in 1964,so did the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Civil Registration Department, the National Registration Bureau, Immigration Department, Registrar General, National Social Security Fund, and the National Hospital Insurance Fund.
The document below purports to be a GOVERNMENTAL birth registry from 1961. It most definitely is not. It is a fake and a poor one at that, starting with the wrong title of the document; the wrong official name of the country; wrong name of the province, etc..
Consider these 3 historical facts which the forger got dead wrong:
1. Kenyan official documents did NOT bear the name "REPUBLIC of Kenya" until 1964, if only because the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed in December
2. In 1961, Mombassa was in ZANZIBAR, not in Kenya.
3. In 1961, the hospital was called "Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital".
An intelligence contact with Israeli connections says this: “We checked all the hospitals in Kenya, starting in early 2008. There is no such birth certificate. This is another fake. It is also a very bad fake, by the way, very amateurish, as anyone who has seen the real items would immediately discern.”
I also found a number of anomalies that shout, "Forgery." It's a government document saying the birth happened and that a birth certificate exists -- or pretty much like Obama's bogus Hawaiian COLB.
I'll keep you posted on what else we find.
Back to my report.
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Did you see the Republic of Kenya 1964 stamps up thread? Unless they printed the stamps in the last two weeks of the year.
The security writing on the paper is the first hint.
Second, look at the coat of arms.
A real British Coat of Arms looks like this:
Note the horn is cut off the unicorn on the right on the paper in question.
Third, there are two separate places cited as place of birth. Above, it said Coast Provincial Hospital. But in Block 2, it said King George VI hospital (which is in Nairobi, not Mombasa).
Also, there are two separate styles of handwritten "7" -- one in the block 7 (time of birth: 1137), one in the application number.
Yes, birth, death and wedding announcements are for acquaintences in the larger community. Obama’s grandparents put his birth announcement in the papers and I would not be surprised if it was not duel purpose given their dumb daughter got knocked up by a Kenyan and then flew off to Kenya to give birth to their grandson.
He might be wrong (though I wouldn't bet on it) but he is not a troll.
Congrats! Consider it part of your training. :)
Remember, that was back in the hippy free love days. They probably just came up with a year because they needed to fill in a blank without bothering to count back 9 months or didn't care about being full term. Or maybe they claimed common law marriage though from all reports they never really lived together.
I sure hope Orly sees this
We are deciding on the Republic of Kenya issue.
Mombasa was not IN ZANZIBAR. Mombasa is in the 10 mile strip of land OWNED BY Zanzibar and LEASED FOR 75 YEARS UNTIL THE INDEPENDENCE OF KENYA BY BRITAIN ON BEHALF OF KENYA.
Technically Zanzibar OWNED Mombasa, but they were not occupying or using it in any official capacity except collecting rent (or tribute as they called it).
Kenya was admitted to the UN on 12/16/1963. It would have been called a Republic.
The Dec 1964 date is revelant only to the British.
Fake but accurate.
Cunningham talking about it now!
He is taking calls, but no Orly Taitz tonight.
He also said he believes Obama was born in Honolulu because of the birth announcement in the news paper.
LOL me too been at it all day, please dear god let this be true
I’m sorry, Salamander, but this is the funniest side show on the thread - everyone chasing down the mystery of Salamander!
I’m only going to believe this if DEBKAFiles verifies it’s true.
All of that would be great for playing “Trivial Pursuit,” but the bobttom line is whether the document is real.|
You need to find only one indelible fact to sink this ship.
the rooster with a hatchet is a nice touch
Yeah, but do we know if Cherry is for real or just someone out there making up stuff?
"One possible remedy is to return to the status quo ante and rerun the elections. That would mean Bush and Cheney return to office, their Cabinet returns to office, the 1000 page legislative bills are rescinded, and all executive decisions from January 20, 2009 are rendered null and void.Article II, Section 1:
That is, if Bush and/or Cheney choose to return. With the MSM media storm this would entail, they can be hardly blamed if their choice is to walk away. One may hope."
Clause 6: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, (See Note 9) the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
Who is Lame Cherry?
Exactly. He and Michelle both are lawyers and should know that ignorance is no excuse under the law. But he is above the law, don’cha know.
Is “she” Orly who said that?
Yes I would guess that Obama had absolutely no idea that something like this was out there.
Eric Lavender has been found:
Yes, I saw them...but the earlier issues of their stamps all said only “Kenya.” This doc we’re dealing with is dated February 1964. The nation became a republic in December 1964. I’m sure they were cooking it up all year, and certainly would have prepared commemorative stamps in anticipation of the newly instituted “republic.” Nevertheless, it isn’t very logical to have been putting it on their official forms ten months earlier, when they didn’t put it on their currency or stamps or anything else I could turn up.
They might have anyway. I hope so. If not, that’s a damn good fake they got there. All those numbers and names on it, to confirm or not. That realistic old type. What self-respecting forger would foul up the name of the country on an otherwise ingenious fraud?
Just show us similar docs with “Republic of Kenya” and I’m a believer.
I searched the document for "republic" (not case sensitive) three times and found nothing.
I've since found the word used twice. On page 9, it refers to the "Republic of Ireland". On page 12 it refers to the "Republic of Cyprus". The searches turned up neither of these usages.
Unless my .pdf search problem is unique to my machine, it's hard to say the word "republic" is nowhere in the document unless you've read all 161 pages of it.