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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

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To: mojitojoe

Oh dear, I said that before I saw your post about ice cream! Wanted to let you know that so you don’t think I was being rude.

9,341 posted on 08/14/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, but still . . .

The report of births would have come in (by either mail or messenger) from Vital Statistics, typed neatly on whatever form they used. Keep in mind that everything was still done by typewriter, with carbon paper, back then.

Being that this report of births probably ran every week, there was likely a “hole” waiting for it. Newsroom would likely not have re-typed it, but rather it would have gone straight to the copy desk where editors would have just marked it up (formatted, type size, page and column where it goes, etc.) in pencil and sent that same piece of paper to the backshop where the linotype operators would have set it in type.

In other words, the whole thing was probably on a single sheet of paper that didn’t pass through many hands. It would have taken some serious jiggering to change it.

Been there, done that. I’m speaking from experience.

It would have taken a serious conspiracy to get Barry O in the paper in that way, I doubt it could have been done, and I don’t think it would have been worth the effort.

If there was any fraud involved in 1961, it probably involved whoever typed the weekly report at the Vital Statistics office.

But the bigger question is whether that newspaper notice actually every ran or not.

9,342 posted on 08/14/2009 9:27:26 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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With the right search engine and codes, we can see how the name has been reinvented from his first political office and now (interesting how Google does not show many of these articles ... there's dozens more ...):

The Collegiate Scholar Times
Morning Edition                                                                                                       February 6, 2004

Candidates Spend Saturday Preparing a Strategy

Democratic and Republican candidates in the Illinois Senate race prepared campaign strategies last week, and reporters from the Collegiate Scholar Times were there to capture all the action.  In the picture to the left Democratic Candidate Barak Obama is hard at work producing a campaign message.  The Obama campaign released a three point strategy on the economy, the community and education.  Touting Obama as a candidate who is experienced in life and law, they promised to say no to the Bush tax cuts, to raise the minimum wage, to meet  the needs of all communities, and to protect education for all income levels.

The photo to the right shows the Jack Ryan campaign hard at work developing a strategy for the Republican candidate.  Claiming that Jack Ryan is a new leader for a better Illinois this campaign also proposed a three point strategy.  They point to Ryan's position as a political outside, the claim he will protect equal opportunity in education and employment and they promise to return your tax money to your pocket.

On Saturday February 7th, the candidates will make their first speeches of the campaign.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- iMailTuesday, September 7, 2004
Senatorial candidate Barak Obama told a Galesburg, Illinois crowd that reversing the trend of sending America’s high paying jobs “starts right here, right now, with us.”

Local 2063 Hosts Jobs Rally

Hundreds of soon-to-be-furloughed Maytag workers, their families and supporters gathered over the Labor Day weekend to protest the impending shutdown of Maytag's Galesburg facility on Sept. 16. More than 1,600 factory jobs will disappear and thousands more in the surrounding area will vanish after Maytag completes its planned move to Reynosa, Mexico.

Illinois Senate candidate Barak Obama, Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Galesburg Mayor Bob Sheehan and Knox County States Attorney Paul Mangieri joined IP Tom Buffenbarger and local union members calling for an end to the overseas exodus of high value U.S. manufacturing jobs.

9,343 posted on 08/14/2009 9:45:30 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

What would be BO’s motive/reason for changing his name from “Barak” to “Barack” after 2004, and even changing it in newer editions of his books??

9,344 posted on 08/14/2009 9:50:06 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jedidah

However, the papers almost certainly have bound copies of old editions. I don’t know if these would be accessible to the public.

They are for a fee directly from the newspaper. You can get the phone number online. Most newspapers have an archive department and if they don't, the local university or private historical museums might. They will fax and/or scan the archived page directly to you. Tell them you're doing research for a family tree or doing a puff piece on the best president of the last 100 years, Barack Obama (but only on an empty stomach - barf).

Depending on the source, especially if I had direct access, I might trust a copy of a microfilm tucked away in some dark, forgotten university vs. asking for the newspaper staff to send me a copy of the paper. Less room for tampering, and you can search better than they can if they don't know exactly what you're looking for.

9,345 posted on 08/14/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: thecodont; Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; LucyT; STARWISE
As we know, Ann has many, many aliases. So does Obama Jr.

We "know" the spelling of his name in his parent's 1964 divorce is Barack.

As Fred Nerks suggests, Obama seems to have come back from Africa in the early 80s using Barak. Perhaps it's because his father spelled his name that way too when he first arrived in Hawaii in 1959.

Barak Obama (center) and friends at a party given by Arnie and Suzie Nachmanoff, in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in the early 1960's 

He went to Kenya to explore his roots in the early 80s. It seems that he "informally" used the spelling Barak vs Barack changed his name after he came back, at least in Chicago and with certain groups.

One has to wonder if the date of 08-19-96 on his Illinois driver's license record, nearly 4 years after he completed school at Harvard and was married by Rev. Wright in October 1992, covers up someone who briefly used Barak from circa 1982 to the early 1990s:

Obama Illinois Driver's License 1 Obama marriage certificate
9,346 posted on 08/14/2009 11:57:08 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Barry, Barack...

9,347 posted on 08/15/2009 1:06:17 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: thecodont

Lots of references to Barak campaigning for items dated 2006 and earlier ...
Marc's Voice

 Sunday, March 21, 2004

Congrats to Barak

Barak breaks the 20% rule. Superstitious about the 20% rule, I said nothing about my friend, Barak Obama, who has won (with a healthy 60% majority) the Democratic nomination for Senate in Illinois. Barak was an adjunct at the University of Chicago while I was teaching there, and then just as I left, became a regular professor. He is an astonishingly decent and bright forty-something star. Siva points to a great piece about the race. And keep your eyes on 2012: when he will no longer be known as the 5th whatever, but will become the 3d and 1st in one year. (Consider it the Lessig Sunday Puzzle). [Lessig Blog]

My father is a Chicago politician and gave me in the inside scoop on this election.  The old school Chicago Democratic party is still just as strong as it ever was concerning internal, local stuff.

But it's totally losing it's edge and control over statewide or national stuff.  They ran an old line cronnie who got hsi ass kicked by Barak.

Congrats to Barak.

I’m not sure what you mean by “3d”, but I assume “1st” is a reference to the first black President. I think Obama would make an excellent President, but I don’t think it likely that someone who’s name rhymes with Iraq Osama is likely to carry many more states than Illinois. Obama is very popular here in Illinois right now, but it may be prohibitively difficult to make a connection in the other 49.

Incidentally, I have heard at least two other commentators say they expect Obama to be President one day. Anyone who particularly wants to see a President Obama one day should probably start dropping his name in their writings now, and not stop stop until he’s elected. (Which, of course, some have begun to do.

» posted by Iain on Mar 21 04 at 8:18 AM


BarakObama dot com - The Hilltop - Wed, Jan 17, 2006
The Hilltop - Wed, Jan 17, 2006

9,348 posted on 08/15/2009 1:07:05 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; David; LucyT; STARWISE

I find NO reference of Obama Jr using the spelling "Barak" until AFTER his trip to Kenya in the early
80s, which includes his first discoveries of his father, Barak Sr, pictured here in 1959 before meeting Ann:

Barack SR - 1959 (1 yr before mtg Ann)

Of course, we have a different name used by Obama Jr after his mother married Lolo Soetoro, circa 1966:
1967 - Obama Soetoro Indonesian School 1967 - Obama Soetoro Indonesian School Translation

Which differs yet again after Dec 1971, when his mom dumped him on the grandparents in Hawaii:
12 yrs - 1973 12 yrs - 1973
14 yrs - 1974 18 yrs - 1979

Obama Jr seems to have used "Barak", after visiting Kenya when meeting Barak Sr on his discovery tour, nearly only with black audiences.

He appears to have DROPPED the usage of that spelling when his presidential campaign started rolling in 2005. An FOIA check (or diligence by a group of Freepers) might determine if he used "Barak" on legal forms (drivers licenses, state income tax, vehicle registration, etc) while in:
-- California (Occidental)
-- New York (Columbia)
-- Massachusetts (Harvard)
-- Illinois (before running for office first in 1996)

9,349 posted on 08/15/2009 1:59:50 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; MHGinTN; Tennessee Nana; David; LucyT; All

I’ve spent the last couple of days looking up random names that have cropped up in this story and I am amazed at how many have some connection to the Communist Party. CPUSA.

9,350 posted on 08/15/2009 3:19:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Albertafriend

My wife is from Hawaii, her uncle lives there and some cousins.

My wifes family are mostly leftists/communists. I dunno about her uncle, but what do yuo want to know/ask/or have done?


9,351 posted on 08/15/2009 3:23:03 AM PDT by TheArizona
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To: BP2

"In Islam, divine blessing that is normally associated with holy men or women, waliy, either in life or in death.
Baraka can be transferred from one person to another, or from a material item to a person. Common in Islam is baraka that comes from local shrines, but the strongest baraka is in Mecca, and then especially, at the Ka’ba. Pilgrims returning, are carriers of baraka, as well as bringing with them baraka in the shape of items from holy places. One of the more popular baraka-carrying items is water from the well of Zamzam.

The grandfather: Before working as a cook for missionaries in Nairobi, Onyango had travelled widely, enlisting in the British colonial forces and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar, where he converted from Roman Catholicism to Islam and took the name Hussein Onyango Obama. WIKI

Hussein Onyango Obama gave his son, Obama Sr, two muslim first names. The muslim names come from islam. Barak is blessing. I first came across that name in that context in a book by the name of ‘The Blue Nile’ written by Alan Moorehead, published in 1962.

Naming a child Barak might be similar to sentiment behind the name of a friend of mine, whose parents gave her the first name of 'Lucky'.

The school Obama Sr attended was anglican:;

“Okanda removes a brown card from one of them. “This one belonged to Barack Obama Sr. He joined the school in 1950 and left in 1953,” he explains.

Obama Sr — Index No 3422 — joined the school with his elder brother, Joseph, who left in 1951 for unexplained reasons.”

No child of a muslim convert would be named Joseph. The muslim equivalent would be Yusuf.

Just as Cat Stevens became Yusuf Islam.

Obama Snr arrives in Hawaii with the names Barack Hussein Obama - knowing that the BARACK is not the intended arabic spelling. After a while, he reverts to the original, as his father intended. Kenya is independant now, anything inherited from the hated english, including the spelling of the name, is discarded. As for obama zero...his reasons for changing his name from one to the other after going to school as Barry...I really don't have any idea. Other than he's a schizophrenic.

9,352 posted on 08/15/2009 3:30:15 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

scroll through the research background on this thread and be prepared to be amazed even more...maybe start from last and work back...

9,353 posted on 08/15/2009 3:35:36 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: mojitojoe

The announcements were traced back to an anonymous poster on TD’s blog.

9,354 posted on 08/15/2009 4:54:11 AM PDT by GregNH
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To: Jedidah

Ecentually you are correct. But from a logical point if a hard copy were there I think it would be waved around for al to see. The image on the internet is an image on the internet.

9,355 posted on 08/15/2009 5:18:12 AM PDT by GregNH
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Does that list include David Axelrod whose first job was with a small community communist paper in Chicago? Documented early on this thread:

ALSO check out the first long thread....Family ties are documented....From the little Red Church on the Hill to the Ford FOundation that SADO and Tim Geit ner father worked for.

9,356 posted on 08/15/2009 8:37:10 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

When you look at the statistics of the demographics, keep in mind that ‘coloureds’ is not referring to the Blacks. The coloureds are an entirely different group that have different facial characteristics, hair type, head structure, and skin tones from what we typically conceptualize as native ‘Blacks’. They do not share a common ancestry with Blacks and I’m unsure of where their race actually originates.

The largest numbers of that population that I have seen are all the way down in Capetown.


9,357 posted on 08/15/2009 9:00:51 AM PDT by Gemsbok (Dead men tell no tales!)
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To: Gemsbok
9,358 posted on 08/15/2009 9:41:23 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

Good morning, hoosiermama.

It is still morning in Panama, but I just wanted to say hello.

9,359 posted on 08/15/2009 9:46:46 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TheArizona

I already listed some very specific things that could be done but they have to be done by someone who would be very trustworthy to share the results of their research in an objective way whether the results supported “our” cause or not. We need the facts as they really are, not as we hope or don’t hope they are.

9,360 posted on 08/15/2009 10:24:33 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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