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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
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“Then why haven’t you contacted him yourself? Are you afraid of the truth? Why has the fantasy writer attempted to obtain the University of Hawaii transcripts? Afraid of the truth?”
I assume you meant to write NOT attempted to obtain the U of H transcripts.
There is no need to contact Corsi because there is no credible indication (certainly not provided by you) that Corsi changed his mind about Stanley Ann being in Seattle from Fall 1961 through Spring 1962.
IIRC, the U of H detailed transcripts which include the UW course credits have been put up on the web and corroborate the letter from the UH registrar. UW transcript from the late 1970’s confirms the UH transcript and the Mercer HS graduation in 1960.
“Hey, bring that yearbook back!”
Fred Nerks’ Mal-Val Narrative posits that Stanley Ann did not spend her senior year at Mercer HS but was somewhere else. So this tantalizing tidbit questioning whether Ann in in the Mercer yearbook as a senior is being offered by FN to pique the curiosity of the uninformed and unwary. Stanley Ann was never in HI until 1963, according to Mal-Val. Of course, this claim is delusional!
I don’t know who FN thinks would still be on this thread that would fall for this nonsense.
“Shame Bolling didn’t ask Malik just when and where it was that he ‘grew up with Barack’ because the Barack we know grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia, didn’t he? Sounds like there must have been some other Barack he grew up with in Kenya.”
Here is another nonsense tidbit from FN intended to pique the interest of the unwary FReeper and open the way to future grooming for the Mal-Val cult!
FN grabs an out-of-context quote from Malik implying that he “grew up” with Barry. But diligent students of the Mal-Val Narrative will recognize that Mal-val posits that the boy named Barack H. Obama II that Malik “grew up” with in Kenya is NOT the boy who grew up to be POTUS Barry, but rather the boy who grew up to be Roman Obama...who Mal-Val posits is the “darker boy” in the studio picture of the two boys, rather than Mark.
Roman Obama, according to Mal-Val, was the first BHO II and was the baby that Mary Toutonghi babysat for in Seattle, but in January 1960, NOT January 1961.
This is the narrative that awaits any FReeper unwary enough to be drawn into FN’s web of lies and distortions which FN delights in diverting FReepers with.
Any FReepers who are still in the grip of this nonsense need to ask themselves “Wouldn’t Malik notice that POTUS Barry is not the same BHO II that he grew up with in Kenya?” Have Malik and all of the the Kenyan family been bought off to protect the son of Malcolm x and Lebanese actress, Valerie Sarruf, as Mal-Val posits?
He was killed in a motorcycle accident in Kenya in 1987 Greg.
OK, how did Zero get all the scars on his head and that huge one on his right calf? No history of a major accident in his BIO....just asking.
Exactly right. Of all the whoppers told in defense of Mal-Val, this one about Corsi super-secretly reneging on his former position & revealing it ONLY to David is the biggest. [& no, calling Dr. Corsi ‘Jerry’ doesn’t make it true. Duh.] If Corsi is an honest man—& ALL the evidence points to the FACT that he is honest, credible & of the highest personal integrity—then he wd OWE it, at a bare minimum, to those who purchased his bk to set the record straight. To sell a bk in large part on the basis of research/facts that later turned out to be false, & not tell anyone publically about it is fraud—pure & simple.
Just be aware, all readers of this thread: David is accusing Corsi of FRAUD. Corsi sold his bk in significant part on the strength of his uncovered facts disproving the myths of Dreams. Now David claims that Corsi has joined the ranks of Obama-defenders & agreed w then—& contrary to what he wrote in his bk—that SADO was NOT in Seattle in the fall of ‘61. However, Corsi hasn’t let his fans/the buyers of his bk in on this new info. He’s revealed it ONLY to David. Everyone else, Corsi has allowed to go on believing [since all of his articles & most of his interviews, in which he states these facts, are still on the web] research/evidence he now knows to be false.
Give. Me. A. Break.
To break it down, for anyone still struggling to grasp what’s going on, here’s an illustration. Suppose a leading conservative investigator uncovers PROOF of who killed the homosexual choir director from Trinity United [Obama’s home church] & also all the details as to WHY this man was murdered execution style (immediately prior to Obama’s presidential run announcement). The investigator writes a bk about it & sells quite a few copies.
Some yrs later a person on the web says, ‘No actually, the author has changed his position fundamentally on part of that bk. The touted proof is not nearly as strong as it once was.’
People search the web & find no indication that the author has changed one iota of what was written. In every available article & interview, he stands by his facts.
Who you gonna believe? If there is any question in your mind, there is no hope for you anyway. Enjoy your misperception.
There is no way to know how Obama got his scars. The records are sealed. We can speculate, but we won’t be able to say for certain unless & until his medical records are unsealed.
In case you missed it. The usual parties are going all insults all the time, & I have never seen anything close to the equivalent from Carp. My theory as to why he gets called out & nobody else does is this: Carp is a gentleman. You can call him out w’out fear of having your head bitten off. Call out any of the nastiest, most incessant insulters & you cd find their vulgar guns turned on you. Not a pretty thought, is it?
I’m watching, and I’m not impressed with anything I’m reading.
It seems to me that there are very few open minds any more, which means no progress is being made.
This is meant kindly, but consider that you were unnecessarily hard on David in your last post. Corsi, being an honest man, has an open mind and is still researching and has communicated with others about continuing discoveries. David is one of those. It’s ongoing.
David posts infrequently, but knowledgably, and never with the venom displayed on this thread. Check his posting history. Not a nutjob, not a troll, not an Obot by any means.
I, once again, urge EVERYONE to quit trying to divide the opposition into warring camps and to acknowledge that no one knows the truth yet.
How about a list of only KNOWN and PROVABLE facts? Facts are defendable; theories are merely discussable. And that should be done politely.
So calling people stupid & lazy is okay, so long as the right people are doing the calling?
I see what David has done as the v height of dishonesty. The idea that Corsi has changed such a fundamental element of his book & let ONLY David know is v. duplicitous. Corsi owes it to the people who pd good $ for his bk to let them in on the secret, pure & simple.
Just to be clear, I don’t believe Corsi in fact owes anything to his readers. He made his case & has steadfastly stood by his facts. If he had altered his views fundamentally, he is honest enough to have said so. He hasn’t. I will continue to believe him until he himself says publically that his book was fundamentally in error.
By the way, gentlemen do not describe those with whom they disagree with words like “delusional,” “troll,” or “pedophile grooming unsuspecting kids.”
Once again, it’s better to ignore than to respond to incivility or ally with those who practice it.
Well thanks for at least saying something when I was called stupid & lazy. I appreciate that much, anyway.
Why is David even in this conversation? Other than one post some time back indicating that he had spoken to Corsi, he’s not even involved in the current discussion, and certainly in the nastiness.
You are essentially calling a polite and knowledgable long-time FReeper a liar. Please don’t. If he says he communicated with Corsi, consider that he did. Also consider that Corsi isn’t finished with his research. An open mind is a good thing.
And David didn’t call anyone “stupid” or “lazy.” That was another poster.
Well thanks for at least saying something when I was called stupid & lazy. I appreciate that much, anyway.
“We all know what David has explained (way too many times) and you have absolutely no evidence that he’s not a trustworthy man.”
IIRC, David has based his claim that the UW transcript is forged SOLELY on his observation that it doesn’t LOOK like the 1962 UW hand-written UW transcripts that he was familiar with when he was (supposedly) at UW. David has not claimed that a single element shows any sign of being forged.
This claim by David is irrelevant because the UW transcript image is clearly a 1970’s image of a far later transcript that is the FINAL image in the UW file. It was actively updated by UW over a decade after 1961 because it has Ann’s UH batchelor and master degrees typed onto it.
I have my own transcripts from that era and the UW transcript has some computer generated elements reflecting automation of the database including automated fields for HS courses, likely in the late 1960s.
Where are the other UW holders of 1970s era transcripts who would be all over Corsi and WND if the UW transcript for Ann was forged???
Someone once thought that a Barri Shabazz was Zero and low and behold we have a police report that shows up with his name in it for driving without a license when he was involved in a “major” accident. Now I am not a doctor nor do I play one on the internet but the type of scars Zero has are consistent with some sort of traffic accident....just sayin. But there is no record? We don’t see the scars in all these pics that are out there that predate 1987? When did he get them? Where did he get them?
Good points. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if the transcripts were forged so as to call Dreams/Obama a liar [which is the case if they were forged as the Mal-Valers contend] the liberals at these two Universities would have spoken out. That there has not been a single whistle blower is telling.
What’s that old saying, ‘3 can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead’. As we see w Obama’s forged BC, someone always speak out. The silence re: the academic fraud involved in preparing false/forged transcripts for SADO is simply too large & elaborate a conspiracy not to have a single whistle blower surface by now.
If Obama’s medical records were to be unsealed I wd imagine our eyes wd pop out at the revelations. Robin of Berkeley, a psychiatrist who writes for AmericanThinker, believes Obama acts like a person who at some point sustained serious brain damage. We can speculate as to how he may have suffered it—& garnered the scalp scar—but only the release of his medical records will reveal the cause w certitude.
Is this the transcript link you had in mind?:
He also has one on his leg that he hides at all cost.
Well I was only referring to the scalp scar in connection to possible brain damage Obama has suffered. Believe me, Greg, if I had anything to do w it, we’d have seen Obama’s medical records 5 or 6 yrs ago. I’d like to know what he’s hiding. For now, we can only hope the day will come. Time will tell.
I guess my point is could he have gotten the scars from a motorcycle accident in Kenya?
If it’s okay w you, I’ll stick w the point that unless & until Obama’s medical records are unsealed, we just don’t know. That is really the full extent of my knowledge on the subject. I only wish we knew more.
I do not know how or where Obama sustained his scars. In point of fact, neither do you. All you have is speculation. There’s nothing wrong w speculation. But pushing it as anything more than speculation is invalid. Pushing me to go along w your speculation is unnecessary. Please respect the fact that I do not know how Obama got his scars. Thank you.
If you are not willing to speculate and think of ways to get to the truth by engaging in constructive discourse then you have nothing to offer here. Enjoy the posts from afar, let people who are actively looking for the truth look and share their thoughts, ideas, and speculate!!!!
My memory was mistaken. It is the UW transcript which includes the course detail for 8 UH 1960 credits transferred to UW including 4 for Russian and 4 for Philosophy.
The computer generated transcript backs up and matches the image of the transcript file “card” was sent directly to Corsi by Madolyne Lawson, Office of Public Records on July 29, 2009 under her signature. See page 200 of Corsi’s book, WTBC)
The 2009 issued UW transcript image is on the internet at:
Note that the start date for the fall 1961 courses on this transcript is reported as 08/19/61. An updated UW transcript received by Corsi from UW in Feb 2011 shows the fall courses starting on 09/19/61 (page 204 of Corsi’s book, WTBC). So Corsi did “change his mind” as to the start date of Ann’s
I have not yet seen a course detail released by UH for UH courses for Ann, but on page 196 of Corsi’s book WTBC the transcript summary from Stuart Lau can be seen.
Lau’s UH transcript is totally consistent with and thus cross-corroborates the UW transcripts because it records Stanley Ann Dunham as attending UH in Fall 1960 and then re-enrolling in Spring 1963.
The UW transcripts show exactly which two courses SADO took at UH prior to enrolling at UW and were accepted as transfer credits at UW.
The UW transcript shows SADO leaving UW in the Spring of 1962 in time to re-enroll at UH in Spring 1963. Typed in notes on the UW transcript “card” image have typed entries made in the 1970s reflecting SADO as completing her BA and MA at UH.
Corsi would be liable to a huge civil fraud judgment for forging and publishing transcripts purporting to be from these state institutions regarding POTUS Barry’s mom. The state AGs of HI and WA would represent the universities and be all over Corsi and WND if claims by David and others of forgery were true.
Ping to photos at # 11,485, note leg scar; then check out Getty images of 0bama’s head injuries shown at this link:
And then wonder why they don’t get a response!
lol, now go back to the two prvious articles I posted and try the ‘can you spot the difference’ formula with them.
The head and leg scar photos posted at #11,485 recall a discussion here a couple of years ago about a young man who possibly could have been BHO involved in a serious auto accident in Hawaii in the early 1980s. There was a court report relating to this accident and I believe the driver may have been charged with a misdemeanor. But I can't recall the name the driver was using at the time. Perhaps someone can refresh our memories on the details.
All I said was that I do not know how Obama got his scars. I’m sorry if that excites you so much.
I suppose if I really tried, I could get you a phone number for the author and you could ask him how often he goofed...depends on what you expect from a terrorist who is now some sort of hallowed professor. But of course even he was handicapped by what zero and SAD told him while they were hunkered down creating the story-board. Some people who are so very eager to jump in and help, often get used. Even Ayres must know that by now. Your lawyer might tell you, if I’m going to defend you, I need the whole story. It seems Ayres didn’t get the whole story, they didn’t tell him about Mary baby-sitting for Anna in January, or that she lived in Seattle. Wonder why not?
Re: SADO in Washington state in 1961 :
Post # 866 clarifies that SADO also was in Hawaii in 1961.
The author of the article found that SADO’s SSN was used in Washington state in 1961.
And his LFBC shows his mother as (Stanley) Ann Dunham - but one of the layers shows that the name that was there was Ann D.....something, and (Stanley) was squeezed in, in brackets, and to which ‘unham’ has been added to the capital ‘D’ to create the name of the ‘mother’ - and you still think we can’t question every document we see?
What IF that transcript is a similar amalgum of the records of a number of students?
The LFBC is an amalgum imo of the birth records of the child born in January, the child referred to in the adoption memo and the birth of another child, because the date and the name of the mother weren’t ‘suitable’ they used a certificate number more suitable to the date they claimed zero was born. It had to be in August because that gave her time to ‘graduate’ from Mercer and enroll in Hawaii. But what lets them down is that no one saw her there, the BC shows the date of birth of a child who lived for only one day - it was lodged on the same day the birth/death of Virginia was published - and the first time SAD physically shows up in Hawaii is when the boy is more than two years old.
But you cannot deal with these anomalies, because you have staked your very existence here on the validity of the documents - presented to you in cyberspace which you have never seen - just as no one has seen or held the LFBC, nor the so-called U of WA transcript, which it seems to me, Jerome Corsi accepted on face value when it was sent to him by e-mail without provenance.
He’s no fool. He’ll deal with that in his own time and in his own way, without leaving himself open to accusations of libel. He lives in the real world, in which everyone knows who and where he is.
Unlike your anonymous self.
The mother starts off as Ann D.....and doesn't become Stanley Ann Dunham Obama until they squeeze the Stanley in behind one bracket (the initial bracket on the left is on another layer) and they added 'unham' and Obama to the 'D' and presto, there's your 'mother'. But what we really should be looking for is Ann S who has a surname commencing with 'D'. But that's just far too complicated.
Thanks for the link. I had forgotten about that thread. Lots of good info in the opening article, & in the thread itself—some of the latter supplied by Smokeyblue. Good to reread the bit about the CCP’s findings & Seattle. More back-up evidence that agrees w Corsi’s findings. Nice to know.
I really must thank you for continuously drawing attention to the opinion/theory our group has come to, that the Dunham girl wasn’t his mother, it’s a refrain that echoes right through every document and article we see. However, how you come to the conclusion you know who his mother is/was, beats me and always has. All you ever saw was a family tree (I think) of the baby-sitters family and a link to a video with a title that included Val and Mal, which is on the DRJP Youtube channel. You’ve connected this to a request published by the baby-sitter’s brother-in-law in 2004 for assistance to find a relative named Valerie of whom he said he had lost track, she was apparently living in France and he didn’t have her address. Does DrRJP (we think he’s actually Polarik) think he’s identified a potential mother? Probably he does. You saw her name on a thread I think, where she was identified as an actress who had a part in The Avengers. And you’ve been jumping up and down like a jack-in-the-box about it ever since. I don’t really know what to call what you are doing, I’ll let others decide what your motives might be, personally, I simply find it tiresome.
Just wondering about motive and opportunity....
Would there have been someone altering Washington records in the late eighties and early nineties? Was someone using valid University credentials with an eye to the future who might have changed a few names, dates and numbers at the University, as well as having access to Public Libraries, newspaper morgues, microfiche, City and State records, etc.?
Also, it's only a relatively short hop from Seattle to Honolulu if the same person one wanted to alter Hawaiian records. All under the guise of "research", don'cha know. No one is going to continually monitor one lone researcher, doing seemingly boring searches through hundreds of pages of records.
*If* this happened, it took a lot of time, planning and background work to achieve their goal, to further their "cause".