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Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsidEdited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
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I posted that excerpt while I was laughing to myself, we've since discovered that Stanley Ann and Lolo filed a joint tax return for 1973, and that's the first we knew that Lolo was in Hawaii...as to when she returned from Indonesia with Maya, that would still be a mystery...because there's no way now I would take the word of Alice Dewey...
My father did not live with us at that time, Maya said. They lived apart. They were still together and still wanted to make a go of the marriage.
So I gather from that, Lolo wasn't living with his wife and daughter, but they did file a joint tax return...and between his 'mothers' arrival in 1973, and 1976 when she left, (as follows)who did the boy live with?
Dunham took young Maya back to Indonesia in 1976 to live with Soetoros mother, while Barack moved into his grandparents apartment on Beretania Street while he finished his high school years at Punahou.
That quite possibly is true. How would we know who he lived with? And Whoops! What-ever happend to Lolo? They lost him somewhere in the story? Maybe he remained in Hawaii?
If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoros 1973 tax return.
I'm now far to confused to even begin to think about his possible citizenship, the year Stanley Ann Dunham and Maya returned to Hawaii is now more than one year removed from what was commonly understood, they didn't return on their own, they came with the 'stepfather' who didn't live with them, and zero didn't live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour until SAD retured to Indonesia in 1976, although neither parent showed him as a dependant on their (one year) joint tax return. I need a little while to get this sorted out in my head if you don't mind...
So much has changed since that article was written.
You know what really tricks me now? He wasn’t claimed by Lolo and Stanley Ann on their joint return for 1973, but Maya says he didn’t live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour in their apartment until her mother returned to Indonesia in 1976.
So I want to know, with whom was he living? That article is so dated, that although I had read it a long time ago, at the time the contradications didn’t stand out as they do now.
As to the education records and the various requirements etc, I’ll remain an observer, as an Aussie, all that is quite unfamiliar to me.
We need a freeper that works for the U of WA to check it out; take phonecam pix and post em.
I don’t work for em, otherwise I’d do it!
“... we’ve since discovered that Stanley Ann and Lolo filed a joint tax return for 1973, and that’s the first we knew that Lolo was in Hawaii...as to when she returned from Indonesia with Maya, that would still be a mystery ...”
I recall from one of the FOIA documents Lolo had filed 1040NR (non-resident) return when he was living in Indonesia. It was incorrect because Lolo was actually a Permanent Resident Alien with the U.S. and he returned to Indonesia as part of his agreement with East-West Center. The East-West Center is funded by the U.S. Government to promote cultural exchange. Lolo, Stanley Ann, Obama and Maya were all grantees of the East-West Center.
To promote cultural exchange, a grantee must travel to their home country after living and studying/working in the U.S. to promote and share their experiences with others. In Obama’s case, it wasn’t safe for him to travel and live in Indonesia for two years in the early eighties. So, he was granted an exception. He traveled to Indonesia to update his passport and then went on to Pakistan.
But I digress, U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens living abroad must file a U.S. tax return. Consequently, Lolo would have had to file a U.S. Tax return in 1973 even if he was living in Indonesia at the time.
26 USC § 152 - Dependent defined
(3) Citizens or nationals of other countries
(A) In general
The term dependent does not include an individual who is not a citizen or national of the United States unless such individual is a resident of the United States or a country contiguous to the United States.
(B) Exception for adopted child
Subparagraph (A) shall not exclude any child of a taxpayer (within the meaning of subsection (f)(1)(B)) from the definition of dependent if
(i) for the taxable year of the taxpayer, the child has the same principal place of abode as the taxpayer and is a member of the taxpayers household, and
(ii) the taxpayer is a citizen or national of the United States.
Obama didn’t move in with his grandparents until 1976.
Maya was taken as a dependent 1973 because she was a U.S. Citizen. Obama was not taken as a dependent in 1973 because he was not a U.S. Citizen.
Peek: Obama Skip-Tracer Raided By FBI; Computer Filled With Obama Evidence TakenNot sure what to make of that...
Al Hendershot posted the following on the ORYR Facebook wall a few days ago:
4 days ago the FBI took my computer and I got it back yesterday. They said that they were investigating the Exposed website, but I think that there was some more stuff that they were looking for because they said that I was not in any trouble for what I was reporting on for my blog [...]
For tax purposes, a person with for nationality living in the U.S. is not a resident unless they have been issued a Green Card and have become a Permanent Resident Alien.
For example, Lolo Soetoro was a Permanent Resident Alien of the U.S. He was issued a SSN and denied an entry Visa into the the U.S. after he filed Form 1040NR (non-resident) with the IRS. He had returned to Indonesia as part of his agreement with the East-West Center and filed a tax return for non-residents. Immigration denied him re-entry into the U.S. because he declared himself to be a non-resident when he filed Form 1040NR.
Obama’s father, BHO Sr., was a non-resident of the U.S. who had entered the U.S. legally on a Student Visa. While in America, he was granted permission to work and earn. After he had earnings, he was required to file Form 1040NR with the IRS and use his alien registration number because he was not qualified to obtain a SSN.
Obama returned to America in 1971 as an unaccompanied minor with foreign nationality. He was taken into protective custody by Customs and Border Patrol. Eventually, he was granted asylee status. An asylee is a non-resident alien living in America with permission, similar to an alien living in America on a Student visa. Non-resident aliens cannot be claimed as a dependent on U.S. Tax Returns.
“Also, the evidence presented from past interviews with her high school friends states that she only stopped in Seattle on the way to Boston.”
Hearsay recollections from HS classmates 50 years after the fact as recorded by MSM reporters keen on preserving the “Dreams” narrative and weaving those “memories” into that fake narrative would be inadmissible for sound reasons and have been refuted by actual verifiable documentary evidence.
No one is hiding Stanley Ann’s HI transcript. It is HI state policy NOT to release the course details.
Stuart Lau confirmed Stanley Ann Dunham’s UH attendance in an official e-mail to Corsi published in his book. The HI state AG (a total Obot who doubtless hates Corsi) could go after Corsi if the Lau e-mail purporting to be from a state official was forged.
That e-mail confirms Stanley Ann Dunham attending UH in the fall of 1960 and then returning in the spring of 1963. This dovetails perfectly with the UW transcripts also issues by WA state officials. The UW transcript explicitly confirmts the Lau memo and includes course detail from UH that Lau didn’t release.
There is NO MYSTERY regarding how long it took her to graduate whatsoever in terms of coursework. Her 1960 UH credits combined with her 1961-62 UW credits plus her 1963-65 UH credits easily allow for her degree.
There is no evidence of any transcript forgery either in summary or detail and HI and WA Obot AGs would just love to legally crucify Corsi it they could, but they haven’t.
Thanks for that info!
Looks like he had some ‘interesting’ info.
Also looks like enough time for hard drive to be copied :0
You have mental issues. I haven’t responded to you in going on a yr, & yet you post to me dozens of times a day. It’s not normal or healthy. In fact, it’s about as abnormal a behavior as I have ever seen on FR. I reported you for stalking. I can only hope it does some good.
Play nicely, children.
“If Obama was a U.S. citizen in 1973, then he would have been eligible to be named as a dependent on Lolo and SAD Soetoros 1973 tax return.”
I am a retired CPA. I found and checked to dependency exemption requirements in 1973. There is NO US citizen requirement for a child or grandchild living in the home with the filer or for whom 50% of the support of the child is provided, and only one party can claim the child.
Therefore either Lolo and Ann on their joint return or the Dunham grandparents could have claimed him, but not both, regardless of his citizenship.
We have the 1973 joint returm for Lolo and Ann and although they didn’t check the box for any dependent children on the first page of the return the did take the exemption for Maya but not Barry. This has NOTHING to do with custody or citizenship.
There is no credible evidence that Barry was NOT a US citizen in 1973 that I have seen.
“He wasnt claimed by Lolo and Stanley Ann on their joint return for 1973, but Maya says he didnt live with Madelyn and Stanley Armour in their apartment until her mother returned to Indonesia in 1976.”
Maya was a very small child in 1973 and her memory of who was living with whom and the memories of aging Alice Dewey 50 years after the fact as filtered by a newspaper reporter are interesting but would be unreliable hearsay in court for sound reasons, IMO.
Whether Stanley Ann received a mathematics degree or an anthropology degree appears to be contested as of footnote (3) on her current wiki page.
“The University of Hawaii at Manoa Office of the Registrar says Stanley Ann Dunham received a B.A. in Mathematics in August 1967, but the University of Hawaii at Manoa Department of Anthropology says Ann Dunham received a B.A. in Anthropology in August 1967 and contemporaneous correspondence in 1966 and 1967 between S. Ann Soetoro and the INS makes repeated references to her obtaining a B.A. in Anthropology in 1967.”
“Obama didnt move in with his grandparents until 1976.”
The article that claims that is NOT reliable and is based on 50 year-old memories of a small child and an elderly woman looking back.
You have not posted the full list of exemptions available for children, relations and children and NONE require US citizenship if the dependent is in the home and/or 50% of support is required.