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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

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To: All

It should be obvious by now that there are participants on this thread whose intent is to provoke - and have the entire thread removed. Don’t let them. Carry on as if they are not here. The ‘boss’ doesn’t have time to sift the wheat from the chaff when it comes down to the wire. JR will simply call it a ‘flame war’ and SHUT IT DOWN.
And the little terrorists know it.
Don’t let them get away with it. Please ignore the provocation.


11,601 posted on 04/18/2013 2:57:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: GregNH

This is the stranded attorney that was a law student in Moscow in 1981, who is now an African government official. His surname became Ekua after returning to Africa. This is a newer version/portrait of the man. His plight was originally published in the newspaper requesting money to get back home after the Russians stopped supporting him and other students. Funny, that attorney was born the very same year as Barack Obama, and he was one of the lucky ones to study Marxism in Russia on their dime or ruble. He has dozens of pictures of himself on a website much like Facebook. All posed, as are his many “friends.” No messages, just photos.

WTPOTUS BLOG LINK

11,602 posted on 04/18/2013 3:08:30 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Seizethecarp; Brown Deer; David; WildHighlander57

You just proved my point. Anyone with an agenda can post anything on Wikipedia as long as they ask/ pay a friend to corroborate their lie.


11,603 posted on 04/18/2013 3:11:28 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: GregNH
[BD did in fact call me “stupid” & “lazy”. Where’s your outrage over that???]

I wonder why people make up stories?

You post to them another three or four dozen time.

I wonder who did that? I also went back and counted, just shortly before you did, so I know it's not me.

Now stop lying about me. It’s obnoxious. In fact, stop posting to me.

I've never known you to lie. What is interesting, is that it was FW who first posted to you in this thread...

www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2306351/replies?c=11309

And if I remember correctly my first recent post to FW in this thread was in response a rude comment about "some" others here, of which the "some" being referred to, was meant to include me.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2306351/replies?c=11233

What goes around usually comes around. It's too bad, since I remember FW used to post to me quite often, but now I'm called a stalker? Not really sure what set this person off.
11,604 posted on 04/18/2013 3:16:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

You see how it works? They write fantasies to distract you from the topic under discussion. You (and I, and anyone else worth communicating with) get a little hot under the collar, (as I was expected to, after being referred to as grooming innocents like a paedophile) and anything new or interesting, doesn’t stand a chance. All the attention is sucked out of the topic by the oxygen thieves.


11,605 posted on 04/18/2013 3:32:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Seizethecarp; David; LucyT
Hawaii would be suing itself!

So you believe that the person, who I assume you don't know nor have ever heard of, who posted on the Wikipedia is correct? In that case, why didn't you include the Univ of Hawaii Math Department as being involved in the cover up of the transcript records?

Can you also explain why all of sudden you now believe that the letter from the Registrar is phony? Is it only because you saw it on Wikipedia?

I certainly agree with you, that it is possible the records in Hawaii could have been doctored, but you don't believe that it was possible for the records in Washington to have been tampered with. It would seem to me that with all of her "old friends" from Mercer Island, who had long time connections at the University, it would be easier for them to tamper with those records than the records in Hawaii.
11,606 posted on 04/18/2013 3:40:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GregNH
FROM WTPOTUS BLOG:

PICTURES TELL THE STORY MORE THAN 10,000 WORDS!

~~~~~

Looks like the two little boys grew up.

11,607 posted on 04/18/2013 3:47:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fred Nerks
lol, paedophile - "ae"

I figured it was another one like color/colour.

All the attention is sucked out of the topic by the oxygen thieves.

Nothing is sucked out of this topic:
Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:35:53 AM · by rxsid · 11,606 replies · 468,211+ views
11,608 posted on 04/18/2013 3:51:43 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; LucyT

There is a discrepancy between the records in two departments at UH, according to the footnote in Wiki. Wiki gives the sources of the discrepancy clearly.

That discrepancy can be verified and investigated at UH, if necessary. I never insinuated that either UH department forged their record.


11,609 posted on 04/18/2013 3:56:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

You’re wrong; I’m right, and this is the end of our discussion.


11,610 posted on 04/18/2013 3:58:48 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Seizethecarp
You wrote, "Hawaii would be suing itself!", so I assumed that you did not believe that the answer would be a or b. And btw, I never mentioned forgery, but you just did again.
11,611 posted on 04/18/2013 4:01:23 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Nothing is sucked out of this topic: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:35:53 AM · by rxsid · 11,606 replies · 468,211+ views

Right, and all the more reason why I would hate to see all that effort destroyed by an impotent vouyer and his little troupe of sycophants...which is shrinking as we speak. How many threads have been pulled due to their tactics? I haven't kept a record, but even one is too many. They are getting off on the power of being able to destroy anything that doesn't conform to their theories. Everything presented has to be discounted because the (faked) documents say otherwise, every word of mouth item posted, comes from someone too old or too young, or the journalist made a mistake. And above all else, it's patently obvious, the last thing they want is to allow the reader to study what is posted, and make up their own minds. And when something really interesting hits their nerve, the accusations and insults commence in ernest. It's pure provocation and nothing else.

11,612 posted on 04/18/2013 4:04:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come visit Tasmania!)
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To: All; Fred Nerks

“Looks like the two little boys grew up.”

All:

Just so you know, this thread is being hijacked again with Mal-Val Narrative tasty tidbits.

WTPOTUS Blog labels the picture of the boys correctly as David and Mark Obama.

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/the-obama-family-saga-continues/

The man pictured to the right of POTUS Barry in the lower right is Roman Obama. The Mal-Val narrative posits that Roman Obama was fathered by BHO Sr. with “Anna Obama” (who was in the apartment house with Mary Toutonghi in early 1961, not 1962) and given the name BHO II at birth ahead of Barry.

Circa 1964, according to Mal-Val, Roman was stripped of his name and was spirited to Kenya and replaced in the US with Barry (the son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf) in the care of Stanley Ann (who supposedly was never in HI prior to 1963.

The overwhelming proof that Stanley Ann was at UW when the official UW transcripts say she was destroys both the Dreams Narrative and the Mal-Val Narrative, IMO.


11,613 posted on 04/18/2013 4:14:31 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
...The overwhelming proof that Stanley Ann was at UW when the official UW transcripts say she was destroys both the Dreams Narrative and the Mal-Val Narrative, IMO...

Not really. If it turns out that IF Stanley Ann was at the U of WA (which I find doubtful) it still doesn't make her the same woman as ANNA OBAMA SHOWN IN THE SEATTLE DIRECTORY FOR 1961 - for whom Mary quite clearly said she baby-sat when her own daughter, who was born in July, 1959, was 18 months old. And it doesn't make her the same person as the student shown in the 1961 Polk for Honolulu as ANN S OBAMA.

As a footnote, may I remind you, the 'Val-Mal' narrative to which you continously refer is an item of your own creation for which you have lifted the title from a video created by DR RJP still showing on his YouTube channel.

11,614 posted on 04/18/2013 4:31:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Seizethecarp

Question: has ANY prominent conservative investigator [such as Zullo], investigative journalist [such as Corsi], a documentarian such as Cashill, or any other conservative w good credentials laid out a detailed case against Stanley Ann being the mother? I don’t mean blogs or conspiracists. I mean an actual P.I. or similar. I.e.: someone like Zullo, specifically, who has a long & impeccable professional record as an investigator. Someone who has tracked down facts & evidence, and come forward w the conclusion that Obama is not SADO’s kid. Is this a blog-fueled idea only, or is a Zullo-esque figure at the heart of it?


11,615 posted on 04/18/2013 4:32:14 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp

.Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=UUp5Mqb8hSKGI1hbk5ayzXXA&index=18&feature=plcp

Uploaded on Aug 7, 2011

Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.


Got problems with the video? Take it up with the man you lifted the title from.


11,616 posted on 04/18/2013 4:43:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT
Just so you know, this thread is being hijacked again...

Maybe you should either get back on topic again or go back to your Mal/Val thread, instead of disrupting!


11,617 posted on 04/18/2013 4:54:00 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: All
Let me see if I can break it up for you:

AMERICAN THINKER - WE HAVE BEEN DUPED

Blake's and Box's recollections agree with the fable in Dreams; Ann and Obama are madly in love, he is at Harvard, and a distressed wife and child are on their way to be with him. These recollections, however, are simply impossible. In reality, Ann Dunham wasn't "visiting"; she was living in Seattle and attending school at the University of Washington.

Anna Obama was listed in the Polk for 1961, she arrived in Seattle early enough to get into the directory and enroll at the U of WA. Stanley Ann Dunham showed up with zero and showed him to Susan Blake when he was a few weeks old. Susan maintains that was in late August 1961.

Ann couldn't have been on her way to Harvard because no one, including Barack Obama, Sr., knew anything about Harvard until May of 1962.

Stanley Ann Dunham told Susan she was flying out that same day for Boston. There's more to Boston than just Harvard. Susan says, she assumed Stanley Ann was going there to join her husband. At the time of the visit, the kenyan student was still in Hawaii - he didn't leave there until 22 June, 1962. Susan assumes after the event of 'Dreams' and it would be natural to do that. However, when Stanley Ann came on that visit, there's no way she would have said she was going to visit her husband in Boston because he was at Harvard as no one knew then that he was ever going to be going to Harvard. Stanley Ann flew out that day to go to Boston, and what we should be asking, is...if she was really going to Boston, who did she know there?

Yet Blake anchors the date of the visit to late August 1961 by referring to a young baby, "pink and very new," "3 weeks old"; "I showed her how to do it [change diapers]." If we accept the president's date of birth as August 4, 1961, then it is impossible for Blake not to be talking about 1961.

Of course she's talking about 1961. Harvard wasn't known about then. Stanley Ann simply told Susan she was flying to Boston. And in her original story, Susan said she never saw her again.

Finally, how can Blake describe Ann as being "nuts about him, crazy in love," when Ann had just left Obama Sr. back in Hawaii for good? The marriage (if indeed there was a marriage) didn't fall apart "a few years later," as Box stated; it had already fallen apart, as evidenced by Ann and baby moving to Seattle.

That's tricky. On the one hand, you have Anna Obama with a child born in January 1961 being baby-sat by Mary, and on the other hand you have Stanley Ann showing up with a newborn she obviously has no idea how to care for, at Susan Blake's house, after borrowing a car from a friend of her mothers...and she's off to Boston that very same day.

Are you beginning to get the idea that the Stanley Ann motherhood myth is the result of the blending of two women?

11,618 posted on 04/18/2013 5:15:40 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fantasywriter; WildHighlander57

“Question: has ANY prominent conservative investigator [such as Zullo], investigative journalist [such as Corsi], a documentarian such as Cashill, or any other conservative w good credentials laid out a detailed case against Stanley Ann being the mother?”

Not that I have seen. When I started the Mal-Val thread I asked FReepers, Mal-Val trolls, spammers, SPs, you name it, if they had any evidence that pointed to any woman other than Stanley Ann being Barry’s mom and got bupkis after 1000+ comments.

There was the usual sly insinuation, shell-game with the baby pictures and baby identities and Roman Obama being born BHO II having a mamma from the Philippines but being raised in Kenya...all without a single document or piece of verifiable evidence...but lots of innuendo based on newspaper articles that rely on 50-year-old memories...or experimentation with different first names by a 19-year-old.


11,619 posted on 04/18/2013 5:22:43 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks for your reply. My question was in earnest. I have a busy schedule so I can’t devote limitless time to research. Right now I wd be interested in receiving a link to the site of the most well respected & prominent conservative researcher/investigator who believes Stanley Ann is not the mother. If anyone can supply that link, thanks in advance.

What I’m NOT interested in: the ramblings of a virtual nobody or the theories of a blogger. If indeed Stanley Ann is not the mother, there must be some investigator somewhere w a decent reputation who’s come to that conclusion. I wd like to read his/her supporting evidence. Everyone I’ve been able to think of—including the three I already mentioned plus Al Hendershot—believes Stanley Ann is the mother. If she isn’t, someone must have come upon some actual evidence (to support that case). If they are willing to supply the link, I’d appreciate it.


11,620 posted on 04/18/2013 5:33:11 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp

Great, now it’s down to the two of you, the impotent retired CPA and whats-it-called document inspector who gets off on calling a high school girl a slut and believes that the KGB paid for her to fly to Kenya to give birth in a mud hut, and the woman who whinges and whines and accuses others of what she does best, and then offers to pray for you.
Have a nice day, the pair of you. I’m going back to my regular programming. Trying to make sense of the entire fiasco, and trying my best to express the result of the work done by a group of freepers over two years.


11,621 posted on 04/18/2013 5:37:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Seizethecarp

Two thoughts. One, no decently credentialed investigator ANYWHERE has raised serious doubts as to the identity of Obama’s mother.

Two: the nastiest, least honest & most reading-comprehension-challenged posters on FR are finally leaving me alone. Can’t ask for more than that; thank you profusely JR.


11,622 posted on 04/18/2013 5:49:17 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks
he didn't leave there until 22 June, 1962

that's right! I was thinking about that when you posted that interview earlier, and meant to go verify the dates, but somehow got distracted. Seems to have been happening quite a bit lately.

and we all know that Seattle is on the way to Boston from Honolulu. Oh wait, that was over 50 years ago!
11,623 posted on 04/18/2013 6:05:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp; Fantasywriter; All

Fantasywriter,

Excellent question, well put!
It asks for RIGOROUS research to be done.
A quest for information that is not based on subterfuge, rather a respectful inquiry, searching for contemporaneous, and verifiable information.
A search that does not have as it’s destination a pre conceived one, rather one that can be traced from beginning to end in a rational logical fashion.

Seizethecarp,

I direct to you the same words that I said to Fantasywriter, and commend you for posting the topic asking for input concerning the parentage of the occupant of the white house.

To those who agree with the PRINCIPLES I have said above, I say welcome and it is good that there are like minded folk that want to see justice done.

To those that would argue I say this:
I value rationality, I value a genuine search for the truth, wherever it may lead.
Above all, I value honesty and take seriously the command in the Good Book : Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
I take those words SERIOUSLY.

I ask them to look inside themselves and see what is the effects of their actions, what is the effects of their words, whether ill has been done, and if ill has been done, to change, and do the wrong things no more.

I do not bear them ill will, rather I pray for them, that there be healing and then, together, we may combat the evil that threatens our lives, our loved ones, and our freedoms.

Many thanks,

Wild Highlander 57


11,624 posted on 04/18/2013 6:08:59 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Jim Robinson
Two: the nastiest, least honest & most reading-comprehension-challenged posters on FR are finally leaving me alone. Can’t ask for more than that; thank you profusely JR.

I assume it was a reference to you. ;-)
11,625 posted on 04/18/2013 6:12:15 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: WildHighlander57

Wow; that was beautiful, WH57. Thank you so much. Your words are an oasis of kindness in a sea of tension. May God bless you & above all keep & protect you.


11,626 posted on 04/18/2013 6:12:57 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Brown Deer

I didn’t ping JR personally out of courtesy & respect. He has his hands full riding herd on a site as big as this one. I don’t ping him lightly. Yes, I thanked him. I thanked him from my heart. But the ping rule doesn’t always apply in JR’s case. He has enough to do w’out being pinged 24/7. Perhaps someone will relay my gratitude. But if not, fine. I thanked him publically, and that should suffice to all except the most disruptive members on the site.


11,627 posted on 04/18/2013 6:18:22 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks; GregNH; LucyT

Suppose there is a person who never, ever posts to you. Let’s say you post a dozen or so times to that person, & they never reply.

That sounded familiar to me. So guess what? I went back and checked. Sure enough that happened to me. It was FW that posted to me and I never replied, at least I couldn't find any replies. But I did notice that much later on, I had some posts to FW, but that was only because I was helping out with Lucy's old ping list.
11,628 posted on 04/18/2013 6:23:54 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

You don’t want me to go back over my pings for the past yr or so & add up how many times you’ve posted to me/insulted me [when I totally ignored you, & made no reply at all]. You really, really don’t.


11,629 posted on 04/18/2013 6:27:01 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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I think I’m being stalked!


11,630 posted on 04/18/2013 6:31:17 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; All

The problem appears to be that one must not think for oneself, one must wait to see it in the movies, hear it from a talking head on the TV, wait for a blogger to post it, or hope and pray that someone with half an ounce of imagination and lots of courage, will stumble upon the clue that this fraud wasn’t perpetrated by amatuers, it’s the result of careful planning by a cabal that goes back at least to the early eighties. They found themselves a puppet with the right skin-tone, he was clean and articulate, remember ? and they hired a homegrown terrorist now masquerading as a distinguished professor to write a fiction that sucked in the majority of the citizens (and probably the 30 million illegals as well) because they wanted it to be true, when he promised them the oceans would cease to rise and the planet would cool, and he would rid the world of nuclear weapons, and fundamentally change America; when he promised them utopia.

He literally has to destroy your nation and bring the entire free world to its knees before someone wakes up, and says...OMG...who is this man? Why is he where he is, he’s obviously nothing but a puppet and our lives are being ruined by someone of whom we know nothing.

It’s a scary place to be, that void; from which it seems there are just a very few lonely voices calling:

YOU DON’T KNOW WHO HE IS. You don’t know who his parents were, you don’t know when he was born, you don’t know where he came from, you don’t even know his birthdate.

And all I hear back by way of rebuttal is, I’m told I’m unable to read, I’m not trustworthy, I’m leading you astray, there are endless documents to prove who he is, who his mother was. And you know what happens as a result?

You’re back in Dreams From My Father. Every tampered document from the INS file for example leads you straight back to the greatest fraud of all time in the history of humanity.

You do know that one of the authors of a book on the subject had the UNREDACTED INS file for two years before she published, and a few days before the book was released, she was able to change the entire entry on Ruth Ndesandjo on wiki, or don’t you?

The INS file released to Mathers was so heavily redacted it was worthless, and a number of items that clearly show tampering indicate you never saw what you needed to see, and that’s the name of the kenyan’s wife and child.


11,631 posted on 04/18/2013 6:44:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer

She’s achieving her ends. She’s distracting you. She will keep doing it until you bend or break. I’ve just run across a comment from her to me that’s over a year old, in which she suggested that the Mercer classmates would have to kill Maxine Box if she lied. Stay away.


11,632 posted on 04/18/2013 6:53:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: All

Here is the quote. Nothing in it about classmates having to kill Box. More misrepresentation/lack of reading comprehension.

“So according to your theory, SAD’s best friend lied to reporters? And she did this at the behest of the Obama campaign?
Wasn’t that a bit risky? What if she was approached with a false script and asked to read from it during any interviews she gave. And what if, instead of going along, Maxine Box had said, “No thanks; I’d prefer to tell the truth about my best friend.”?

Wouldn’t they then have had to kill Box? Wouldn’t she, as the saying goes, have ‘known too much’?”

It is, as Rush says, illustrating absurdity w absurdity. Even as such, there is no mention in it of the classmates killing Box. If anyone has basic reading skills & comprehension, they will see that the quote was entirely misrepresented.


11,633 posted on 04/18/2013 7:08:10 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

The “they” in your post snippet below is the 0 “Chicago machine”, the Daly version on steroids.

“....“So according to your theory,SAD’s best friend lied to reporters? And she did this at the behest of the Obama campaign? Wasn’t that a bit risky? What if she was approached with a false script and asked to read from it during any interviews she gave. And what if,instead of going along,Maxine Box had said,“No thanks; I’d prefer to tell the truth about my best friend.”?

Wouldn’t they then have had to kill Box? Wouldn’t she,as the saying goes,have ‘known too much’?”

WH comment:
This is what we are up against.


11,634 posted on 04/18/2013 7:18:11 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

You are correct. & to be clear, I do not believe the Chicago Machine is above committing murder. I just don’t think they would take the risk of being compromised by somebody like Box. It just doesn’t strike me as the way they operate.


11,635 posted on 04/18/2013 7:25:56 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Brown Deer; GregNH
THE OBAMA FILE - SUSAN BLAKE INTERVIEW

Recollections

Therefore, to delve deeper into the rabbit hole of Obama’s birth, below are notes from a NEVER BEFORE RELEASED telephone interview conducted by a fellow investigator (from an adjacent "research team" who must remain anonymous) with Susan Blake a week before the Inauguration.

It should be pointed out that the interviewer was very thorough and accurate in capturing highlights of the hour-plus telephone interview with Blake. However, he said that in interviewing her, at times it was difficult to discern what was truth, half-truth, embellishment, or misremembered from Dunham's brief and unexpected visit that took place nearly 50 years ago.

These raw notes show some new information and inconsistencies that seem to both AID while HINDERING Blake’s believability as a "witness" to Obama II and his mother’s whereabouts from 1960-1962.

1. Susan has been contacted now by many individuals especially in the last 2 days. One of her first contacts was back in August or so of 2008 by Michael Patrick Leahy, writer of the book "What Does Barack Obama Believe" available from Amazon. Much of what Susan has heard about her other interviews she feels has been distorted.

2. She was friend and confidante of Stanley Ann during her High School years, knew Stanley (she went by STANLEY not Ann) and that she was a very forward, articulate woman who shared much of her thoughts with her friends.

3. Stanley left in spring of 1960 and wrote cards and letters from Hawaii over a year or so that she was there. She sent a Christmas card to Susan stating she was dating a Kenyan student and was "in love." In spring of 1961 Stanley sent another letter stating she had been married and was expecting a baby.

4. Susan had gone on vacation to Santa Cruz in summer of '61, had returned mid August because she remembered the fires around Santa Cruz at that time which caused her to return home. Soon after she was back, her mother told her that Stanley was coming to visit. Stanley had the newborn Barack Obama, roughly 3 weeks old. To Susan's best recollection it was sometime around Aug. 25th to Aug 30th.

5. Stanley told Susan she was only in Seattle for a short visit, going on to Boston to find residence and a job, because she intended to go there for Senior's graduated studies. She was to fly to Boston shortly after their visit.

6. Her understanding was that Stanley had waited until the baby was old enough to fly according to what Stanley said of the doctor. She was very much "in love" with Barack Obama Sr. happy to have the newborn, although not proficient at changing a diaper, which Susan did. "My claim to fame is that I changed Barack Obama's diaper".

7. She thought that Stanley was going to fly to Boston, establish her domicile etc., then return thru Seattle to Hawaii. She said SHE NEVER SAW HER AGAIN, although she knew through another mutual friend John, and Maxine Box, that she was again in Seattle in spring 1962. She said from what she's read that Stanley was a correspondence student at the UW in fall 1961, but that she didn't necessarily have to be there to be a correspondence student. However she knew Stanley was there in spring 1962.

8. Susan didn't understand why all the distortions or "mystery" that is being purported, she thinks it’s all very straight forward, that Stanley had BO in Honolulu, married BO prior to that, they were in love. She also mentioned that she's received calls from bewildered teachers/other students from interviewers asking about communist activity and other strange behaviors which she personally knows nothing of.

9. She states that while Stanley was there she stayed with a friend of Stanley Ann's mother, even borrowed a car to come see Susan. Didn't know who that was or where they lived.

10. Sadly, Susan hung up on me after the conversation deviated to why all the controversy surrounding his birth, his citizenship. Her understanding is that BO was a Natural Born Citizen by virtue of Stanley being a US citizen at time of birth IN HONOLULU. She did know that BO SR. was a KENYAN national, that according to Stanley "he was being groomed for political office" and that Barack Obama was a dual citizen but it didn’t matter, he was an NBC. When I stated what I firmly believe, that BOTH parents must be US citizens the phone clicked and she wasn’t on the other end.

11,636 posted on 04/18/2013 7:31:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fantasywriter

I see your point.

Looking beyond that, if we discard everything- the transcripts, the foia’ed documents, non Hawaii birth certificates, marriage documents, pictures, etc- the question then is:

With what do we start, and what is real?


11,637 posted on 04/18/2013 7:38:41 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Excellent analysis. Speaking for myself, at this point I’m going w the CCP. There’s just something about Arpaio & Zullo that engenders trust. They have skills & resources that most lack, & they have undying commitment. Nor are they done. They are on Obama’s trail like bloodhounds, & they’ve already turned up quite a bit. More, I wd imagine, than we at this point are aware of. [Why else was Al Hendershot handcuffed & his computer confiscated, shortly after meeting w the CCP? Obama is getting nervous, & it shows.]

So that is my position. I’m w the CCP all the way. We shall see what their final results look like...hopefully sooner than later.


11,638 posted on 04/18/2013 7:47:15 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: WildHighlander57

I’m sitting here shaking my head in utter disbelief that an adult could be so incapable of studying the material that exists and forming their own conclusions - the facts are there hidden in plain sight. You can’t make Stanley Ann Dunham into Anna Obama because they just don’t fit without everyone becoming a contortionist and turning themselves inside out and contradicting each other.
I think I hear William Ayres laughing, he’s chuckling, saying - I KNEW THEY WOULD NEVER WORK IT OUT!


11,639 posted on 04/18/2013 7:52:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fantasywriter

Regarding the posse, they indeed are taking the right approach.

They are dealing with the basic documents in a persons life; birth certificate, social security number, draft registration. Not all go to college, so thats not as important as those three.

Although when they get done with the big three, they should go after the college info.

Somebody showed em a fake birth cercertificate ?
Investigate the doc and if its bogus, go after the perps.

SSN come up with two people on it when plugged into a skiptrace search?
Investigate that and go after the ID thief/thieves.

Selective service registration form look wrong?
Dig into how and why and go after anybody involved with creating it.


11,640 posted on 04/18/2013 8:00:17 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57

I know of no thinker on FR more independent that WH57. Maybe it’s the Scot in him. You don’t give him credit, but you should. He thinks for himself like few I have ever encountered.

On another topic. If we could declare a 60 second truce, there is one question I wd ask you. Namely, did you discern the reason I quoted those movie lines, and did you understand that they had nothing to do w calling anyone the ‘i’ word? See, I thought that you of all people wd get it. You don’t have to say what ‘it’ is; I’m just curious. Did you, as I said, realize that the ‘i’ word had nothing to do w my intent when I posted those lines? [If you don’t want to answer, fine. It’s no big deal one way or the other, really.]


11,641 posted on 04/18/2013 8:01:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Brown Deer

Seems I have to rephrase that previous comment, I wrote:

“Fred Nerks to Brown Deer
She’s achieving her ends. She’s distracting you. She will keep doing it until you bend or break. I’ve just run across a comment from her to me that’s over a year old, in which she suggested that the Mercer classmates would have to kill Maxine Box if she lied. Stay away.”

Needs to be corrected, it wasn’t the classmates she meant, it was something to do with Chicago. Smack me with a wet washcloth, I misquoted.


11,642 posted on 04/18/2013 8:02:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: WildHighlander57

I’m out for the night, but I just wanted to say I liked your recap. I do hope the CCP shifts toward the college info eventually. Not being an investigator myself, I have no idea how they would crack Obama’s cone of silence. But I’d love to see them try.


11,643 posted on 04/18/2013 8:04:09 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Truce? You gotta be kidding me. To agree to even a sixty second truce, I would need to see you as an advesary, you’re nothing of the kind, you’re a gnat, a fly, a buzzing mosquito, a temporary irritation - and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, nor am I interested in thinking about it. You posted an address that meant nothing to me, and then an LOL! in capital letters, followed by some meaningless numbers, which, as you offered to pray for me, I wrongly assumed related to Bible verses. And now I’ve done it, replied to your inane question after suggesting to others that they should stay away from you. You are not well. And btw, I don’t think Maxine has anything to fear from the boys in Chicago. You have her placed too highly on the assassination list, just as your hero has the high school girl in bed with a man older than her own father, you’ve both illustrated brilliantly exactly how your minds work. Murder mysteries for you with a Biblical twist and vouyerism for him. Now you can look that up, and stick your lower-case ‘i’ where the sun isn’t shining. I don’t rely on movies and or talking heads or TV or even well meaning leaders of a cold case posse - I study the material and take it where it leads me. Something very few taking part in this discussion seem to be capable of. There are investigators who have more from our group than from anyone else. They will use it eventually I imagine, but they won’t need to notify you first or tell you their sources. Now get back into your fantasy world. You’re still being punked, like the man from American Thinker said...and it ain’t by me.


11,644 posted on 04/18/2013 8:36:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fred Nerks

“And btw, I don’t think Maxine has anything to fear from the boys in Chicago.”

Which was my whole point—a point you missed lock, stock & barrel. You also misrepresented the reason for the absurd murder scenario, & you took the entire comment out of context. But what’s new.

Sorry if I gave you too much credit re: the movie quote. For the record, I didn’t call you or anyone else the ‘i’ word. Anyone who thinks I did is missing the v obvious point of the quote. Par for the course.


11,645 posted on 04/18/2013 8:45:44 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks

advesary=adversary


11,646 posted on 04/18/2013 8:45:54 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fantasywriter; WildHighlander57

Here is the latest great interview between Zullo and Mark Gillar where Zullo says the new (as yet undisclosed) evidence is so devastating that the Posse is now “in the driver’s seat” and will get to pick and chose which prosecutor will go after the forgery.

“Team Arpaio: Damning Felonious Obama ID Fraud Evidence Being Turned Over To New Entity?”

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/team-arpaio-new-evidence-so-damning-to-obama-doc.html


11,647 posted on 04/18/2013 9:09:19 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

This really is my last post tonight. I just wanted to thank you for that info, & also point out the obvious. This latest CCP development is precisely what led to Hendershot being handcuffed & having his computer confiscated. There is no doubt about it. Obama is not merely worried; sounds like he’s nearing panic mode. I hope Arpaio’s & Zullo’s latest findings were not on Hendershot’s computer. Sounds like they weren’t. It also sounds like Obama’s lies are nearing the moment of reckoning. It should start getting interesting in the near future.


11,648 posted on 04/18/2013 9:23:55 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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Biographer admits: There was no Obama family

In all the talk about David Maraniss’ new book, “Barack Obama: The Story,” the chattering classes seem to have overlooked the most significant of Maraniss’ revelations, namely that the story on which Obama based his 2008 candidacy is “received myth, not the truth.”

“My parents shared not only an improbable love,” said Obama famously in his 2004 Democratic Convention keynote, “they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation.” This concept of multicultural romance shaped his persona and his campaigns.

At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. “Four years ago,” he began, “I stood before you and told you my story – of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren’t well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to.”

As Maraniss concedes, these two young people shared very close to nothing. “In the college life of Barack Obama in 1961 and 1962,” writes Maraniss, “as recounted by his friends and acquaintances in Honolulu, there was no Ann; there was no baby.”

Although Maraniss talked to many of Obama Sr.’s friends, none of the credible ones ever so much as saw him with Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham.

One Obama friend, a Cambodian named Kiri Tith, knew the senior Obama “very well.” He had also met Ann through a different channel. “But he had no idea,” writes Maraniss, “that Ann knew Obama, let alone got hapai (pregnant) by him, married him, and had a son with him.”

Only Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie claims to have seen the pair together during the presumed courtship stage, but he is not close to credible.

“Maybe I’m the only one in the country,” Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times in December 2010, “that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’” This was pure lie, no other word for it.

A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn’t exactly see Obama’s parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he “remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events.” Another lie.

Maraniss should have quoted Abercrombie with the stated qualifier that he has proved unreliable on all things Obama, but he did not. Abercrombie was too important. Without Abercrombie, there is no contemporary witness to any kind of relationship. Maraniss, however, knew enough not to quote Abercrombie on his claim to having seen the baby with his parents.

Despite his Herculean digging into the dung of Obama’s life, Maraniss’ shovel comes up empty on the couple’s alleged February 1961 wedding. He footnotes his comments thusly: “Marriage facts recorded in divorce records.”

There is no doubt that both Ann Dunham and Obama claimed a wedding. It suited both their purposes, Obama to extend his visa and Dunham to legitimize her baby with a black husband.

As to the divorce, Dunham at the time was desperately trying to keep her future husband, Lolo Soetoro, in the country. The INS believed her to be married to Obama. Even if she were not married, a divorce would have been useful to clear the way for a marriage to Soetoro.

Like all other biographers of either Obama or his parents, Maraniss is totally silent on Dunham’s whereabouts from the February marriage to the August birth. He adds one detail, however, that deepens the mystery.

According to the birth certificate and the newspaper announcements, the young family lived at 6085 Kalanianole Highway where Dunham’s parents lived. Obama Sr. clarified to the INS that mother and baby lived there without him.

Maraniss definitively states that “[Dunham] and Obama and the infant never lived [at 6085 Kalanianole].” There was no room. The senior Dunhams shared the house with the Pratt family. The Pratt daughter “has no memory of the Dunhams’ daughter bringing an infant home.”

And yes, finally, an Obama biographer admits what the blogosphere has known for the last four years: “Within a month of the day Barry came home from the hospital, he and his mother were long gone from Honolulu, back on the mainland. …”

“This period, Washington State revisited,” Maraniss writes, “is missing from the memoir the son would write decades later.” In fact, as recently as Father’s Day 2012, Obama was claiming that his father left home when he was 2.

What Maraniss does not say is that he missed the Seattle hegira story himself in the 10,000-word Washington Post article he wrote on the eve of the 2008 election.

He was hardly unique. No one in the mainstream media wanted to blow the whistle on the fraudulent family fable that got Obama elected president.

The New Yorker’s David Remnick chose to overlook it in his 2010 Obama bio. The New York Times’ Janny Scott overlooked it in her 2011 bio of Obama’s mother. The Boston Globe’s Sally Jacobs overlooked it in her 2011 bio of Obama’s father, and the Times’s Jodi Kantor overlooked it in her 2012 book on the whole extended family.

Worse, conservative writer Dinesh D’Souza chose not to report the fraud in his disingenuous best-seller, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage.” As D’Souza explains, Obama was “his father’s son.” Dunham served largely as the vehicle through which the absent Obama exercised his will on the young Obama, she being “Obama Sr.’s first convert” to anti-colonialism.

D’Souza should have known this was nonsense. Conservative writer Michael Patrick Leahy had broken the Seattle story as early as 2008 in his book, “What Does Barack Believe.” It was accepted knowledge in the conservative blogosphere by 2009.

What Maraniss has laid bare, perhaps without meaning to, is a journalistic scandal of historic proportions in which, alas, he himself has played a part.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/biographer-admits-there-was-no-obama-family/


11,649 posted on 04/18/2013 10:45:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fred Nerks

It would be helpful to see photos of a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham.

Oh Where oh where could they be?


11,650 posted on 04/18/2013 11:03:24 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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