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My wife is from Hawaii, her uncle lives there and some cousins.
My wifes family are mostly leftists/communists. I dunno about her uncle, but what do yuo want to know/ask/or have done?
"In Islam, divine blessing that is normally associated with holy men or women, waliy, either in life or in death.
Baraka can be transferred from one person to another, or from a material item to a person. Common in Islam is baraka that comes from local shrines, but the strongest baraka is in Mecca, and then especially, at the Ka’ba. Pilgrims returning, are carriers of baraka, as well as bringing with them baraka in the shape of items from holy places. One of the more popular baraka-carrying items is water from the well of Zamzam.
The grandfather: Before working as a cook for missionaries in Nairobi, Onyango had travelled widely, enlisting in the British colonial forces and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar, where he converted from Roman Catholicism to Islam and took the name Hussein Onyango Obama. WIKI
Hussein Onyango Obama gave his son, Obama Sr, two muslim first names. The muslim names come from islam. Barak is blessing. I first came across that name in that context in a book by the name of ‘The Blue Nile’ written by Alan Moorehead, published in 1962.
Naming a child Barak might be similar to sentiment behind the name of a friend of mine, whose parents gave her the first name of 'Lucky'.
The school Obama Sr attended was anglican:
“Okanda removes a brown card from one of them. “This one belonged to Barack Obama Sr. He joined the school in 1950 and left in 1953,” he explains.
Obama Sr Index No 3422 joined the school with his elder brother, Joseph, who left in 1951 for unexplained reasons.”
No child of a muslim convert would be named Joseph. The muslim equivalent would be Yusuf.
Just as Cat Stevens became Yusuf Islam.
Obama Snr arrives in Hawaii with the names Barack Hussein Obama - knowing that the BARACK is not the intended arabic spelling. After a while, he reverts to the original, as his father intended. Kenya is independant now, anything inherited from the hated english, including the spelling of the name, is discarded. As for obama zero...his reasons for changing his name from one to the other after going to school as Barry...I really don't have any idea. Other than he's a schizophrenic.
scroll through the research background on this thread and be prepared to be amazed even more...maybe start from last and work back...
The announcements were traced back to an anonymous poster on TD’s blog.
Ecentually you are correct. But from a logical point if a hard copy were there I think it would be waved around for al to see. The image on the internet is an image on the internet.
Does that list include David Axelrod whose first job was with a small community communist paper in Chicago? Documented early on this thread:
ALSO check out the first long thread....Family ties are documented....From the little Red Church on the Hill to the Ford FOundation that SADO and Tim Geit ner father worked for.
When you look at the statistics of the demographics, keep in mind that ‘coloureds’ is not referring to the Blacks. The coloureds are an entirely different group that have different facial characteristics, hair type, head structure, and skin tones from what we typically conceptualize as native ‘Blacks’. They do not share a common ancestry with Blacks and I’m unsure of where their race actually originates.
The largest numbers of that population that I have seen are all the way down in Capetown.
Good morning, hoosiermama.
It is still morning in Panama, but I just wanted to say hello.
I already listed some very specific things that could be done but they have to be done by someone who would be very trustworthy to share the results of their research in an objective way whether the results supported “our” cause or not. We need the facts as they really are, not as we hope or don’t hope they are.
Just finished the morning errand...Mowed part of the yard, and cut up one of the “neighbor’s” watermelons....We are known for our melons grown in this area.(ship them out by the semi-load)..THe man I bought this one from helped to develop the seedless melons now grown in the US. He sells them from a small wagon at the end of his drive, for a dollar or two.....
It was wonderful!
Humidity is a problem here...And the noon time heat and I’m inside for a siesta.
Well, I guess it depends how you define Mulatto.
From my untrained eye I suspect they are a race that mixed long, long ago and could be a combination of European, Asian, and Indian blood. The skintone is rather golden, hair is straight to wavy brown, and the facial features do not appear African. That is except for the ones living in Kwa-Zulu Natal and they have a head structure and features that are consistent with Zulus and likely have mixed to be technically categorized mulattoe.
Years ago there were some small pockets of groups in Namibia, Botswana, and Zim. I wonder if the Zimbabweans have run them all out or annilihated them since they never categorized them as part of their inner circle.
If there are linguistic studies on their native tongue, that seems to be the most accurate way that leads back to the origin of a race. I have always wondered where they came from and have never gotten a straight answer, only speculation.
The realities of "outsiders," whether that alienation was due to religion, race, or what have you, meant that there were clusters of isolates, who were multiracial, and usually outside the law. The border region of North Carolina and Virginia is an interesting, historical study in this regard. These people lived on the border, in remote areas, intentionally, so they could leave a problematic jurisdiction in short order. Another, somewhat related term, but one wrapped in much more controversy and freighted with further historical meaning, would be "Melungeon." Derived from the French, melange.
One thing that I’ve been curious about and unable to find the answers in how many countries in the world designate race on the BC. Also, which countries use the term “African” to equate with our “negroid” WOnder if we have any freepers who have worked at the state department?....or if it’s some where on their site.?
Oops just spelled Gemsbok....GemsboCk...just a typing habit. Wonder if others fingers do the same thing?
Seedless melons? That is why I dont eat watermelons as much as I love them because of the dang seeds. Hopefully in a short time Panama will be growing them too.
Humidity is a problem here...And the noon time heat and Im inside for a siesta.
Humitity in Panma is always quite high. It is awful.
Since two days ago, we are getting the effects of hurricane Ana. Although it will pass over 1000 miles above us, it has been dropping a lot of rain in Panama as the clouds go over to meet the hurricane as far east to that storm as it is on its way out of the African coast.
We need these rains, and idiot Billie Gates wants to find a way to stop hurricanes. If there are no hurricanes, everything from at least Venezuela throughout Central America will become a desert.
Have a great rest.
You need to move to Panama where folks can cut your lawn at an affordable price. But then you would move into a condo anyway which would be much better no lawn to cut.
The name ‘Barak’ is an Old Testament name that dates back at least to 1239 BC. In the OT, Barak is a lesser know character that is singled out for his faith in God.
“And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets” (Hebrews 11:32).
Barak was a general who lived in the north and won a great victory over a superior army. Barak’s story is found in Judges 4-5. He got into the book of Judges through his association with a judge— Deborah.
Fast forward 3,200 years, It is doubtful the Islamic grandfather had the OT in mind when he named his son Barak. It is no wonder Barry sought to modify the spelling of his ‘name’ to something other than Judeo-Christian.
Or maybe they are just casual about the spelling of Bear-ick, how many ways are there to spell Mohammed (14) or Hussein (11)?
Mohamed, Mohammed, Mahomet, Muhamad, Mohhmad,....Hussayn, Hussain, Hoseaine,.... Whose-sane?
sharp eyes hoosiermama!
‘ck’ would be English
‘k’ is Afrikaans and the correct spelling.
My interest in words and word origian comes from two wonder teachers in high school, English and Latin.
On day one of my classmates swore in class and instead of punishing him, she made him look up the source of the swear word....From there it bacame a class project.
What reminded me of this. Is ther terminology you’ve given for words meaning other that black or white.
Not sure if one of the students or the teacher gave us this gem. The “n” word, as it’s been called, comes from “Niger” which means black. It was a term that the slaves gave to the unpure blacks...those who had either willingly or were forced to bear the young of the master or his chosen “stud”.
Since many of these were indeed related to the Master, they became the house slaves and received special treatment. They were greatly resented by the field workers, thus the word became an insult, hurtful.
I this is accurate I wish O REALLY would have his word-smith make it public knowledge so that it’s sting would be removed. No one should be hurt by words.
..as a follow on to #9352:
In the early eighties, obama zero arrived in Kenya to introduce himself as the long lost son and strike up a relationship - during the visit ‘granny’ says, ‘what? you’re still writing your name with a ‘c’ in it? That’s not right, your ‘father’ would have hated that! That’s the way the colonials wrote his name...’
And that’s how Barack became Barak, IMO.
Lots of luck. O'Reilly isn't gonna touch that with a 10 foot pole.
I have nothing against Panama (except that I don't speak Spanish) but I LOVE to cut my lawn. Cutting my lawn is a reward I give myself for getting my other work done. I have professional quality, Zero turn mower with 2 cup holders. I slap my sound deadening, headphones on and ride for 4 hours straight until it is all done.
I hate it when my husband interrupts me, and I'm looking forward to doing just that when I get home from work today. I'm feeling good because I got a check from a customer today and have been able to pay some serious bills (although that was just a drop in the bucket against what I owe.) I'm going home to cut 6 acres, and don't ask me to do anything else. I'd hire those "affordable" people to vacuum my huse and do my weeding, but don't take my lawn mowing away from me. :)
BTW, seedless melons are terrific. The flesh is what I call “tight” or “dense”. IOW, they don’t fall apart when you cut them because there is no seed channel. Most of the time they are sweeter too. And I think the yield per melon of usable slices is better, which is why I don’t mind paying a little more for them. I hope you get them soon in Panama.
I wonder if they have the same propagation properties as regular watermelons? I was always told that you cannot grow watermelons in the same ground year after year. Can any of the southern gardeners tell me if that is true?
I apologise for being wa-ay OT, here. It’s just a “stream of consciousness” thing. ;)
I got onto a website yesterday that documented all of the connections of William Ayers' father. He was really "connected" (I knew part of that already) in Chicago. If he wasn't a Commie, himself, he was a fellow traveler. He was powerful and derived a lot of that power by placing commie union bosses on the various Boards that run Chicago and other high places. No wonder that he didn't get too upset about Little Billy's activities and was instrumental in finding cushy jobs for him and Bernardine when they came out of hiding. In fact he probably supported them for the 11 years they were in hiding and may even have introduced them to Obama.
This all really makes me sick to my stomach.
Thank you for your comments. I will answer you tomorrow. Right now I am getting blasted on another thread.
Believe it or not I am being very polite. (LOL!!!)
While I have tried to keep up with the post, I believe it is important to determine whether Barak Sr. changed the spelling of his first name to Barack after he came to Hawaii. The reason is that the COLB and newspaper announcement use the Barack spelling. If he was proud of his given name, I find it unlikely that he would have adopted the Barack spelling. This is borne out in this post. If he continued to use the Barak spelling, then why do we have his first name spelled Barack on both the COLB and the newspaper announcements? Answer: the documents forgers forgot this little detail. Do we have access to any of his college registrations or other documents during this time period?
“...Do we have access to any of his college registrations or other documents during this time period?”
Not that I am aware of.
Tracing Obama Snrs steps as a student at Maseno School
Published on 04/11/2008
By John Oywa
It would seem that the anglican school he attended until the age of 17 has his name as BARACK. Therefor I imagine any ID documentation in relation to previous education that followed him to Hawaii would also be in the name of BARACK.
But I really do not know. One would need to obtain the record the teacher in the above article speaks of...but don’t forget, at the same school his brother’s name was written as JOSPEH. The muslim name his father gave him would have been YUSUF.
I’ve been under the impression that at least one former African colony of the United Kingdom and Colonies (UKC), Rhodesia, was in the habit of categorizing race by continent. That impression came from seeing yet another birth document online (possibly suspicious, I realize), that categorized a child born of two US citizens in Rhodesia as “European,” rather than white or caucasian, as we would expect in this country.
So, it’s reasonable to wonder, if the unusual “African” on the controversial “short form” shown widely on various websites could have an ultimately British colonial origin, in the various source documents driving the database that creates this form in Hawaii. There are at least two former British colonial holdings in Obama’s past, Kenya and Hawaii. I suppose British Columbia and even Canada could be thrown in as well.
Words have specific meaning and significance in legal documents, that’s one lesson we should all come away with, from all this, whether it’s the Constitution itself, statutory law, statements of state or federal government representatives, or birth documentation. Words not said or written have no meaning, and words said or written have very carefully constructed meaning.
It's the culture.
BO, Sr. did have a half-brother Yusuf (son of his non-grandmother Sarah)-- so there's the .1% -- but he was born after Sr., not before. The Standard must have seen the genealogy, but since accuracy's not a valued tradition in Africa, and there are likely few existing records of anything in Kenya, what the heck, throw it in there. Older/younger -- doesn't matter, since it's all nonsense.
And there's an alternate, more plausible story out there (not written by Africans) that Hussein Onyonga Obama worked for USIS as a cook for the Hagberg family in Muthaiga near the US ambassadors residence, not as a cook for missionaries.
And BO, Jr.didn't, to the best of published and known knowledge, visit Kenya in the early '80's -- it was the summer of 1988, before he entered Harvard Law.
For a lowly community organizer, though, that was one heck of a trip -- according to his book, he spent over a month, maybe two, or even more, that summer traveling, first in Europe, then in Kenya -- on the remainder of a mere pittance of a salary. He must have been very frugal with his meager income to afford that, although frugality doesn't seem to be his strong point now...or at any other time.
They always say that if you want to get to the bottom of what it is that confounds you “Just follow the money trail.” In Obama’s case it may be quite an eye opener!!
Apples SELDOM fall far from the tree.
Do you happen to have a link to that material? I’d like to add it to the CHicigo Crime thread.
Obamas tortured grandfather casts shadow over US-British ties
January 21st, 2009 - 5:22 pm ICT by IANS
Obama may not instantly warm up to Britain because of the disturbing history of his nationalist grandfathers torture by British colonialists in Kenya, commentators warned. Obamas only previous connection with Britain was through his grandfather, who was allegedly tortured by British troops during the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya, said Edward Heathcoat-Amory, a leading political columnist in the pro-Conservative Daily Mail newspaper Wednesday.
With these strong links to Africa, Obama sees Britain as one of the old colonial powers. He wont instinctively warm to us, he added.
In the runup to his inauguration Tuesday a number of commentators have pointed to a shocking chapter in the US presidents personal history - how his paternal grandfather Hussein Onyango Obama was tortured for his alleged part in the Kenyan independence struggle 60 years ago.
Onyango was a cook for a British army officer and had served in Burma (Myanmar), Sri Lanka and the Middle East during World War II but was incarcerated in a high-security prison in 1949 on suspicion of being an informer for the nationalist Mau Mau guerrilla movement.
Although Obama never met his grandfather, he devoted 35 pages to him in his 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father.
After his step-grandmother Sarah told him about Onyangos life during a trip to Kenya in 1986, Obama wrote, he dropped to the ground between the graves of his father and grandfather and wept.
When my tears were spent I felt the circle finally close. I saw that my life in America - the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment Id felt as a boy - all of it was connected with this small plot of earth an ocean away. The pain I felt was my fathers pain. My questions were my brothers questions. Their struggle, my birthright.
Obama says his grandfather received a hearing and was found innocent after being held for more than six months.
When Onyango returned to his village, Obama wrote, he was very thin and dirty. He had difficulty walking, and his head was full of lice. From that day on he was an old man.
Last month, Sarah Onyango gave details of the torture that her husband suffered, causing commentators to express doubts about the future of the Anglo-American special relationship.
Obama does not have the close British links of many previous US presidents - both Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr had a chemistry with prime minister Margaret Thatcher, while Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar at Oxford University.
George W Bush too developed a close personal friendship with premier Tony Blair.
President-elect Obama does not come from the old American political establishment that produced Presidents Bush senior and junior, said a BBC commentator.
In fact, he has cause to distrust the British, his grandfather having been imprisoned and tortured during the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya.
The phrase special relationship will not be heard that much, except from those describing its demise or, at least, its diminishment, he added.
Words have specific meaning and significance in legal documents!
Caption: 'obama with his brothers samson left and ben right in 1987 in nairobi'
Summer in Africa...1986-1987.
How is it Onyango was still working for the British after he changed his name and became a Muslim? Was he a double agent for the British and the muslims?
The answer to that question may be his downfall. Hint: faked documents.
One has to wonder if the date of 08-19-96 on his Illinois driver’s license record, nearly 4 years after he completed school at Harvard and was married by Rev. Wright in October 1992, covers up someone who briefly used Barak from circa 1982 to the early 1990s:
For what it’s worth . . .
July 8, 2009
White House spells Obama’s name wrong
@ 2:45 pm by Eric Zimmermann
Someone might want to look into whether an impostor took President Obama’s place during his trip to Russia.
In a release touting an agreement between Obama and President Dmitry Medvedev over how to craft a follow-up to the START arms reduction treaty, the White House claimed the document had been signed by one “Barak Obama.”
I don’t really understand your question, but this article may help to fill in a few gaps:
Okanda removes a brown card from one of them. “This one belonged to Barack Obama Sr. He joined the school in 1950 and left in 1953,” he explains.
Obama Sr Index No 3422 joined the school with his elder brother, Joseph, who left in 1951 for unexplained reasons.
Is there a photo of the brown card? How do we know the guy who wrote the article didn’t spell it Barack? Just because Okanda said a card belong to Obama doesn’t mean the guy who wrote the article didn’t misspell the name. right?
So how does the community organizer on the meager salary afford to fly off to Europe from Chicago and then to the other side of Africa round-trip, spend months doing so and then immediately afford to travel to the east coast of U.S.A. to attend the expensive ivy league university of Harvard? Even if the “student loan” story that Snopes pushes were true and there were no benefactor (which I don’t really believe but put on hold for the sake of “if”) this just does not seem possible in the real world. Let me think about that for a moment. Um—there has to be a benefactor.
Ok I see it was the summer the year before the year he went to Harvard. Still that would have been a hugely expensive trip that was probably paid for by credit card.
I get your point, BUT the fact that Joseph is substituted for the name YUSUF according to the ‘school records’ would indicate spelling of the names of students was anglizised.
And no, the actual record-card was not shown in the article.
Percy Sutton (Malcom X’s Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Part II
“Dr Khalid Al-Mansour” turns out to be Black Panther Donald Warden.
hat is true. Yummy!!! A good ripe peach is at the top. Mangos are one little step below that.
No way. Nothing beats a good Mango. It is hands down the most delicious fruit. Especially the varieties that aren’t stringy.
If he was proud of his given name, I find it unlikely that he would have adopted the Barack spelling
I agree. I want to see his records for the UofH but I’m sure by now they read baraCk.
and that is precisely why the President must be Natural Born. no divided loyalties. The fact that he has access to the nuclear codes causes me to have many sleepless nights.
Saved that as screen shot. They didn’t spell it wrong, they are having trouble keeping the lies straight. Just like Gibbs did regarding where Odumbo was born in his last daily briefing.
He's not going to be much help, is he? He's doing this just to confuse Freepers...
Help hide documentation of his life...What he hasn’t purged stays hidded.
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