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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

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To: Obama Researcher
Refusal to Authenticate is not a statement it is a fake. If it was a fake they would have said it was a fake

Precisely! AND to keep others from trying to get their hands on the document they would say.....

9,901 posted on 08/26/2009 7:54:29 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Good night...

See you at 10,000

:)


9,902 posted on 08/26/2009 8:09:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Fred Nerks; David; BP2; STARWISE; LucyT; shield; little jeremiah; rolling_stone

Looking at the example given by Fred. Notice that:

(at 9) both the Dr and the nurse are listed....Could the two names David noted on the BC (One a woman) be the same. The Dr and the nurse (as witness).

(10)Registrar is listed and then signed by the registrar who place it in the record and the record is notated.

What do we have from the two documents (Orly and Smith)?
Are there conflicts?

Dr (1961):
Head of hospital (1961):
Registrar at time of birth (1961):
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009):
Other:


9,903 posted on 08/26/2009 8:47:14 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

the document I posted on #9859 is for an ANCESTOR OF BOMFORD BORN IN 1918.

It’s NOT the document Orly has.


9,904 posted on 08/26/2009 9:03:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks; David

I know...But David says the document had two signatures, one a woman...My observation is that the BC you posted has both the DR and the nurse who witnessed the birth listed. TWO witnesses. ( &A place for a second who was not a nurse)

Two witnesses are still common procedures on wills, living wills etc. unless the person witnessing a signature is a notary public, then only one is required.


9,905 posted on 08/26/2009 9:12:06 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I’m going back and filling out this outline using both Smith and Orley. Are their conflicts?

Dr (1961):
Head of hospital (1961):
Registrar at time of birth (1961):
Registrar who produced document in 1964:
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009):
Other:


9,906 posted on 08/26/2009 9:16:55 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

Placemark.


9,907 posted on 08/26/2009 9:18:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: Fred Nerks

Just ran across information on U of Sidney

#9783


9,908 posted on 08/26/2009 9:22:24 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama
how can you do that? The only still image I can find, I cannot read:


9,909 posted on 08/26/2009 9:29:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: hoosiermama

..and I just ran across the enlargements:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=9763#9763


9,910 posted on 08/26/2009 9:33:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: kahunah
The results will prove that the hospital did exist in 1961. WND is lying.

Coast Province General Hospital existed BEFORE 1961:

Title:
The pattern of disease as seen by medical admissions to the Coast Province General Hospital in 1960.
Author(s):
Source:
East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J] 1962 Apr; Vol. 39, pp. 121-35.
Publication Type:
Journal Article
Language:
English
Journal Information:
Country of Publication: Not Available NLM ID: 0372766 Publication Model: Print Cited Medium: Print ISSN: 0012-835X (Print) Subsets: OLDMEDLINE
MeSH Terms:

Contributed Indexing:
Keywords: MORBIDITY*
Entry Date(s):
Date Created: 19621201 Date Completed: 19981101 Latest Revision: 20061115
Update Code:
20081217
PMID:
13923226
Persistent link to this record (Permalink):
Database:
MEDLINE

9,911 posted on 08/26/2009 9:41:32 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fred Nerks

Easier to read here:
http://americangrandjury.org/ebay-seller-is-back-with-a-youtube-video-of-obamas-kenyan-birth-certificate


9,912 posted on 08/26/2009 9:43:08 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2

Help me finish it.....
Smith vs Orly data:

Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender (orly
Registrar in (1964):
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga (smith

Are these correct? Is there any conflict in the two?


9,913 posted on 08/26/2009 9:46:15 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama
thanks for the link.

from the comments:

Copy is issued on Feb 1, 09 by

Hilton Magonga

Chief Administrator (so should be there today)

Issued by:

Coast Province General Hospital

Mombasa British Protectoriate of Kenya

Certificate Number 32018

DOB August 4, 1961 Time: 7:42PM

Weight: 7Lbs, 1 Oz 18″ Long

Mother: Stanley Ann Obama

Maiden Name: Dunham

Birthplace of Mother: Wichita, KS, United States

Residence of Mother: Honalulu, Hawaii, United States

Occupation of Mother: Student

Father: Barak Hussein Obama

DOB: 1936

Birthplace of Father: Kantadhiang Village, Kyanza

Occupation of Father: Student

Attending Physician: James O. W. Ang*Awa

Hospital Administrator: John Kwame Odongo 8/7/1961

9,914 posted on 08/26/2009 9:51:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Obama Researcher; kahunah
Corsi and Farrah cannot be as stupid and sloppy as they would have to be to have made those mistaken conclusions. That leaves prevarication. By the way, it is not just Corsi because Farah was responsible for an article with bad info on the Orly document.

I do have a frame of reference on Farah that not everyone has. I used to be closely involved with a conservative news and opinion web site. Without getting bogged down in details, I'll just say that JF does not get overly hung up on scruples in the way he runs his site and the way he gets his news. And this is another reason I vote for “lies” versus incompetence.

I'm going to make a list of reasons they would lie and I'll try very hard to come up with one or more that don't speak to the bottom line ($) in some way.

1. Your reason, Obama Researcher, to get the price of the Smith document down. ($$$)
2. To extend the whole birth certificate matter and their “Where's the Birth Cert.” campaign which I'll wager has improved their traffic and overall visibility. ($$$)
3. They are getting paid by the other side to get people off the track of the real documents. This would also help with #2 and #1. ($$$)
4. They are being threatened or someone is and they are cooperating to keep someone from being harmed. (no $)
5. They are working on a bigger story that encompasses these documents and the people involved with them and are deliberately being misleading to keep the hounds at bay long enough to get it put together. (this is no $ now but will lead to big $$$ if they succeed)
6. They are cooperating covertly with some alphabet people. (no $)
7. They want to ride the bc train for all it is worth but at the same time want to mitigate their categorization as “birthers” in the worst sense of the term. ($$$ - site traffic but not dropped by advertisers for being nutballs)

If you believe they are fully aware that their facts are wrong, you also have to believe that the reason is serious or involves serious money. The hit to their credibility is severe if not widely known. Should the truth come out elsewhere in a credible manner, it WILL be widely known. So it is potentially very serious.

The truth is just as Obama Researcher said - the docs have not been ruled out and the Orly doc was put through the ringer big time here. The Aussie doc is the fake. The existence of the hospital has been proved (slight name change is all) kahunah and you did it again. The Corsi article about the Smith document is really out to lunch as most of the other points on his list are nonstarters as well.

Anybody want to argue these points or fill in any that are missing? For my part, I hope WND’s reason is one or more of the nobler ones above because if not they are being very self-serving. Yes, that's their normal mode, but in this case it works against the country and I find it to be particularly reprehensible.

9,915 posted on 08/26/2009 10:18:24 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2

Can you help fill in the ???

Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith*
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender* (orly
Registrar in (1964): Joshua Sixon Oduga (sp) (orly
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga*(smith


Certificate Number 32018 (smith
Place of registration Book: ??? Page Number: ??? (Orley

* Confirmed


9,916 posted on 08/26/2009 10:19:29 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; RubyR

Yes, we have strong hits for "James O W Ang’Awa", also known in TB academic circles as "Ang’awa JO" with minor variants of the same name.

The third reference below has his article in a medical journal in Kenya in 1965, and the fifth reference has him writing a 1959 article in Mombasa.

So the probably factor goes UP, especially factoring in the article, "The pattern of disease as seen by medical admissions to the Coast Province General Hospital in 1960" (See Post 9,911 above).

# 1. Tuberculosis in Africans. Prolonged observations on drug sensitivity of M. tuberculosis during chemotherapy. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Roulet H, Gaya N, Poti SJ, Pneumonologie. Pneumonology [Pneumonologie], ISSN: 0033-4073, 1974 Sep; Vol. 151 (1), pp. 19-32; PMID: 4216010 Database: MEDLINE

# 2. A serological test in tuberculosis. A “blind” trial of the kaolin-agglutination test (KAT) for detection of tuberculosis antibodies. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Geser A, Egsmose T, Godovannyi BA, Donets I, Ang’awa JA, Patel RI, Blocher C, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1966; Vol. 35 (4), pp. 581-92; PMID: 5335460 Database: MEDLINE

# 3. Case finding programmes in the control of pulmonary tuberculosis in Kenya. Citation Only Available (eng) By Ang’awa JO, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1965 Nov; Vol. 42 (11), pp. 666-72; PMID: 5861867 Database: MEDLINE

# 4. The use of isoniazid among household contacts of open cases of pulmonary tuberculosis. Citation Only Available (eng) By Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1965; Vol. 33 (3), pp. 419-33; PMID: 5321762 Database: MEDLINE

# 5. Prednisone in the treatment of patients with pulmonary tuberculosis at Port Reitz Chest Hospital, Mombasa. Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA J, HAYNES WS, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1959 Mar; Vol. 36 (3), pp. 147-63; PMID: 13652828 Database: MEDLINE

# 6. Clinical trials of azacrin in East Africa. Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA JO, FENDALL NR, The Journal Of Tropical Medicine And Hygiene [J Trop Med Hyg], ISSN: 0022-5304, 1954 Mar; Vol. 57 (3), pp. 59-65; PMID: 13143616 Database: MEDLINE

9,917 posted on 08/26/2009 10:25:03 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Natural Born 54

You pretty well have all the facets covered....Good job.

Doo you happen to have Orly’s document saved?...Still have a couple of blanks I need to fill in on my homework....

Like the book and page number it’s register in and compare any number with Mr. Smith’s (I don’t think that’s his real name)


9,918 posted on 08/26/2009 10:29:28 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2

Confirmed:
Hospital
Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith*
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender* (orly
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga*(smith

Need to confirm:
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1964): Joshua Sixon Oduga (sp) (orly

Need to compare numbers on registration vs. Book/page and possible other registration number.


9,919 posted on 08/26/2009 10:38:57 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Hospital Administrator: John Kwame Odongo 8/7/1961

according to audio of the smith tape at 2:02 and a close look, it is Supervisor of Obsterics (Obstetrics)not hospital administrator, question remains is the supervisor a doctor or not? I would think they are a doctor.

9,920 posted on 08/26/2009 10:44:52 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: rolling_stone

I would think so too...but I do not know!


9,921 posted on 08/26/2009 10:47:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks

Interesting:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:3Rwrm7WYEWkJ:www.mombasahospital.com/history.html+History+Coastal+Hospital+Mombasa&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


9,922 posted on 08/26/2009 10:47:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

BOMFORD:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/kb2zlz/miscellaneous/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc6-1.jpg


9,923 posted on 08/26/2009 10:48:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: hoosiermama

HMom - I have Orly’s and I think it is the original one. Since I am not sure which numbers are which, I’ll give you what I see and tell you where it is on the doc:

1. Upper left of page: 7s. 6d.
2. Immediately to the left of #1 is: No (”o” is raised with an underline) 495
3. At top of the doc under the header (”Certified Copy of...”) is this: No. 47,044
4. On the same line as the No. 47,044 all the way to the right side of the doc is a four digit number which is quite hard to read but looks like “8738”
5. Down at the bottom right where the signature of the Deputy Registrar is (this is what you really want I believe) is this: Book 44B, Page 5733.

What else do you need from the Orly doc?


9,924 posted on 08/26/2009 10:54:50 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: rolling_stone; Fred Nerks; BP2

CONTACT US

The Mombasa Hospital
How does this information from the above link compare to the information on MR SMITH’s purple stamp in the upper left han corner?

P.O. Box 90294 G.P.O
Mombasa 80100
Kenya

Telephone: 254 041 2312191/2312099/2228010
Fax: 254 41 2225086/2229254/2228711
Telegrams: ‘SERGICAL’ MOMBASA
E-mail: info@mombasahospital.com


9,925 posted on 08/26/2009 10:56:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: BP2

It is apparent that James O W Ang’Awa had the geographical opportunity to be the physician on the document, but have you thought about how he got involved in a birth there when he was actually there working with a vaccination program? Wouldn’t he be considered a visiting physician?

I can’t remember in what specific capacity his name appears - attending or delivering doctor or perhaps a handy MD who could sign it. I don’t have a copy of it so I have to go search back in the thread to find the one I remember was posted. Is it odd, given his role, that he would have signed it? Did he need some paying jobs maybe as he traveled around doing his vaccination thing?


9,926 posted on 08/26/2009 11:05:11 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: hoosiermama
YOU MEAN THIS?

CAN'T READ IT.

9,927 posted on 08/26/2009 11:08:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Natural Born 54

Read history of hospital at 9922...There were very few drs. multi tasked.


9,928 posted on 08/26/2009 11:11:16 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

I messed around with the stamp, too and can’t read it. Will try a few other things.


9,929 posted on 08/26/2009 11:16:01 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54
Vaccination program came out of his work with babies....There is a card he distributed from the period promoting vaccinating of babies.
9,930 posted on 08/26/2009 11:23:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

I’d say he’s been vetted and can’t be ruled out as valid.


9,931 posted on 08/26/2009 11:29:45 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Fred Nerks

That’s it...There a place somewhere where the information in it is listed. We’ll run across it.


9,932 posted on 08/26/2009 11:53:28 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama

survey of bribery in Kenya 2001

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=mombasa+hospital+league+of+friends&d=76580396420296&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5b8d427a,28cb5e62


9,933 posted on 08/27/2009 12:04:50 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; rolling_stone; Natural Born 54; RubyR

In a 2004 document (http://heller.brandeis.edu/sid/downloads/AfricaPB.pdf), this is the information for the Chief Administrator at that time.

Dr. Khadija Shikely
Chief Administrator, Coast Province General Hospital
Mombasa, Kenya
(254) 41-225405
chiefadmin@cpgh.co.ke
Specialization: Pediatrics

Cross-referencing, I come up with the same info you did:

Mombasa Hospital
P.O. Box 90294, Mombasa, Kenya
tel: 254 11 312191/312099
fax: 254 11 225086/229254
- The largest private Hospital in the Coast Province with 124 beds.


9,934 posted on 08/27/2009 12:15:00 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

While going through some past threads on this subject, I came across this:

To: mojito
I looked at the other Bomford images in that directory, and they are consistent with a scanner session on 2007-06-05 when most of the images were apparently created (scanned at 150x150 dpi, if anyone is interested.)

102 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:07:45 AM by snowsislander

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307512/posts?page=102#102

What’s the significance? Isn’t that the same date that shows through from the back of the Hawaiian CoLB?

June 6, 2007. IIRC.


9,935 posted on 08/27/2009 4:48:59 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: BP2

9,936 posted on 08/27/2009 4:51:58 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Fred Nerks

1st: Can’t read
2nd: Abstract of the _________ _____________
3rd The _____________ State Department of Health
4th Sig: Alvin T Onaka PhD
5th: STATE EX_______


9,937 posted on 08/27/2009 6:05:41 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2; rolling_stone; Natural Born 54; RubyR

14,700 hits on the name, Alvin T. Onaka, PhD

Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. State Registrar and Chief of the Office of Health Status Monitoring of the Hawaii Department of Health was recently elected President of the National Association for Public Health Statistics and Information Systems (NAPHSIS) at their 69th Annual Meeting in Anchorage, Alaska.

Onaka is the first NAPHSIS president elected from the State of Hawaii in the 69-year history of the organization. The Association was founded in 1933 and represents health and vital statistics officials from the 50 states, the District of Columbia, New York City and the U.S. Territories. Their national headquarters is in Washington, D.C.


9,938 posted on 08/27/2009 6:12:21 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2; rolling_stone; Natural Born 54; RubyR; David; STARWISE

Notice the addresses and compare:

http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/birth_certificate_5.jpg

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-12/barack-obama-birth-certificate_43705180.jpg


9,939 posted on 08/27/2009 6:23:21 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks; BP2; rolling_stone; Natural Born 54; RubyR; David; STARWISE

151—1961 010641
Number not covered:
http://bigbrassblog.com/media/6/20090722-certif2_factcheck.jpg

HI birth Cert issued Dec 1967
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sprin/document/gomes/bmarg.jpg


9,940 posted on 08/27/2009 6:38:14 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Fred Nerks

So we have Obama, Sr. using his given name Barak on the Smith Document. That’s very interesting


9,941 posted on 08/27/2009 7:12:12 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: hoosiermama

Just reading over your shoulder...

:)


9,942 posted on 08/27/2009 7:17:56 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: hoosiermama
thought I'd better save the one with the number not blacked out.
9,943 posted on 08/27/2009 7:31:23 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
How about this one:


9,944 posted on 08/27/2009 7:35:33 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: iontheball

No he used BaraCk.

9,945 posted on 08/27/2009 7:40:30 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: iontheball

....So we have Obama, Sr. using his given name Barak on the Smith Document. That’s very interesting....

Its also incorrect/typo its Barack on the document. see 99910 link then photo #4


9,946 posted on 08/27/2009 7:43:36 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I made my own still images by pausing the video and using my “snipping tool to capture the freeze frame. I can make as many as I want of whatever part of the video I want. The snips are VERY clear. Better than anything I see at the 2 sites listed here.


9,947 posted on 08/27/2009 7:45:09 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; rolling_stone; Natural Born 54; RubyR; David; STARWISE; LucyT
The fact remains that this hinges on Obama’s "Certification of Live Birth" and the claim that Ann was physically in Hawaii for his birth. This is despite the fact that state law allows a person who is NOT born in Hawaii to be registered as such, as well as establish weak prima facie from other non "state-certified" witnesses, such as Ann's mother, as "proof" that he was born there.

§338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

§338-5 Compulsory registration of births. Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.

The birth facility shall make available to the department appropriate medical records for the purpose of monitoring compliance with the provisions of this chapter. [L 1949, c 327, §9; RL 1955, §57-8; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-5; am L 1988, c 149, §1]

§338-6 Local agent to prepare birth certificate. (a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.

(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as “delayed” or “altered.” [L 1949, c 327, §10; RL 1955, §57-9; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-6]

"DATE FILED BY (LOCAL) REGISTRAR"
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"DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR"
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Other Items of interest:
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My suspicion is that IF you register a birth from OUT OF the STATE or COUNTRY, as Hawaii state law allows, they did NOT have a procedure to show the place of birth being OUTSIDE of Hawaii. Research indicates that did not exist until the "Certificate of Foreign Birth" was created, circa 1982. The "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" was terminiated in 1972, when Social Security records were centralized.

THEREFORE, by default, it's very likely a birthplace would show as the state capitol, HONOLULU, as shown on Obama's "Certification of Live Birth", for births that take place out of the state (or country). The other information, birth date, time, parents, would remain the same as shown on the "root" birth document.

9,948 posted on 08/27/2009 7:52:33 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2; Polarik; hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; Iowan; null and void; Candor7; rolling_stone; ...

Here’s an email from Polarik, received a few minutes ago:

“The Lucas Video shows a forged BC. The baby’s footprint immediately gives it away.

“Secondly, he is intentionally keeping the BC moving so that it cannot be examined.

“Every image and photo (and now video) purported to be Obama’s real BC is bogus.”


9,949 posted on 08/27/2009 8:01:58 AM PDT by LucyT (........... R. I. P. Mary Jo. ..........)
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To: faucetman

Do you have a snip of the blue stamp in the upper corner?

Can you read what it says and list it here?


9,950 posted on 08/27/2009 8:11:32 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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