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End-of-life counseling fuels furor on radio
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | August 2, 2009 | Ceci Connolly

Posted on 08/02/2009 8:24:07 AM PDT by BAW

A campaign on conservative talk radio – fueled unintentionally by President Barack Obama's calls to control exorbitant medical bills – has sparked fear among senior citizens that the massive health-reform bill moving through Congress will lead to end-of-life “rationing” and even “euthanasia.”

The controversy stems from a proposal to pay physicians who counsel elderly or terminally ill patients about what medical interventions they would prefer near the end of life and how to prepare instructions, such as living wills. Under the plan, Medicare would reimburse doctors for one session every five years to confer with a patient about his or her wishes and how to ensure those preferences are followed. The counseling sessions would be voluntary.

On right-leaning radio programs, religious e-mail lists and Internet blogs, the proposal has been described as “guiding you in how to die,” “an ORDER from the Government to end your life,” promoting “death care,” and, in the words of anti-abortion leader Randall Terry, an attempt to “kill granny.”

Although the counseling provision is a tiny sliver in a behemoth bill, the skirmish over end-of-life care, like arguments about abortion coverage, has provided ammunition to Obama's opponents and threatened to derail the president's broader health-care agenda.

At a forum sponsored by the seniors group AARP intended to pitch comprehensive reform, Obama was asked about the frightening “rumors.” He used the question to promote living wills, noting he and the first lady both have them.

The side battle also undercuts what many say is the more fundamental challenge of discussing sensitive, costly societal questions about how to align patient wishes at the end of life with financial realities, for both the family and taxpayers.

(Excerpt) Read more at 3.signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; elderly; eugenics; euthanasia; obamacare; populationcontrol; radio; seniors; socializedmedicine; talkradio

1 posted on 08/02/2009 8:24:08 AM PDT by BAW
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To: BAW

Hey CECI......your spin machine is out of gas.....


2 posted on 08/02/2009 8:27:12 AM PDT by Marty62
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To: BAW
“A campaign on conservative talk radio – fueled unintentionally by President Barack Obama’s calls to control exorbitant medical bills – has sparked fear among senior citizens that the massive health-reform bill moving through Congress will lead to end-of-life “rationing” and even “euthanasia.” “

It is inevitable. “Here, take this pill. We will all feel better!”

Hell, they won't even swab the area with alcohol!

3 posted on 08/02/2009 8:29:38 AM PDT by charmedone (There is a right to health care but no right to be born?)
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To: BAW

The left has already shown that it believes in compulsory termination of life (abortion, infanticide, Terri Schiavo) so it’s not a stretch to think that they will be forcing the elderly to “think about” ending it all.


4 posted on 08/02/2009 8:29:45 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Well, at least we won’t have to wear a yellow star. I think for most it will be obvious who is and who isn’t a senior.


5 posted on 08/02/2009 8:31:33 AM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: BAW
. . . has sparked fear among senior citizens that the massive health-reform bill moving through Congress will lead to end-of-life “rationing” and even “euthanasia.”

If these folks had a clue; would even read beyond the Obama,Inc. talking points; then the gist of this story would not be 'sparked' fears. . .

Unfrickenbelievable. . .the painful and threatening ignorance of it all.

6 posted on 08/02/2009 8:32:50 AM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America's 'sorrCDC STOPS DEATH COUNT...y' President))
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To: cricket

You know you qualify when you can find an extra set of keys but you can’t remember where you parked the car.


7 posted on 08/02/2009 8:37:55 AM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: BAW; wagglebee
At a forum sponsored by the seniors group AARP intended to pitch comprehensive reform, Obama was asked about the frightening “rumors.”

Today the liberals call this "frightening 'rumors'," but tomorrow, they'll call it "the way things have always been."

They aren't rumors. Somebody posted that part of the proposed legislation here recently.

8 posted on 08/02/2009 8:42:25 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: BAW
HEALTHCARE 1

9 posted on 08/02/2009 8:44:15 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Radl

I recently moved to a new state and had to use the services of a Walk in care facility. The Dr I saw was eager to offer me his services as a primary care physician noting that he specialized in geriatrics. I almost fell off the examining table. I am 61 and hadn’t realized that I now qualified for Obama’s Gold for Geezers program.


10 posted on 08/02/2009 8:44:52 AM PDT by heylady
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To: BAW
...skirmish over end-of-life care, like arguments about abortion coverage, has provided ammunition to Obama's opponents and threatened to derail the president's broader health-care agenda.

Well, "Cici," let's think about this a moment, shall we? If euthanasia and abortion are so trivial as to barely merit mention within the context of such a wonderful, comprehensive solution to all of our "bigger" problems,

WHY DON'T THE GENIUSES WRITING THE BILL LEAVE THEM OUT?

Let's look at another angle, shall we? Why does the MSM keep calling it the president's health care plan? If it were sincerely the people's health plan, and if it were actually going to benefit us, we would be supporting it! But we're not. Wonder why?

11 posted on 08/02/2009 8:49:20 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns)
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To: heylady

I had a young lady holding a baby open the door for me at a health club. Now THAT’s depressing. (I don’t work out anymore).


12 posted on 08/02/2009 8:51:18 AM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: BAW
The counseling sessions would be voluntary.

Like income taxes and the IRS?

13 posted on 08/02/2009 8:51:32 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: heylady

End of life counseling at my home goes something like this:

Me: Hello, what can I do for you.
Visitor: I am here to give an end of life counseling session, sir.
Me: Wait a minute, I need to get something from my bedroom.
Sound of my 870 being cycled.
Multiple bursts of 00 buck being fired.
Me: Now where were we? Oh, you look a bit pale, should I call an end of life counselor for you, do you do self sessions or do you wish to just go to the recycle center?


14 posted on 08/02/2009 8:53:45 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Marty62
Hey CECI......your spin machine is out of gas.....

Really? Sure looked to me that her spin machine was driven by one of T-Bone's windmills!

15 posted on 08/02/2009 8:54:09 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Radl
You know you qualify when you can find an extra set of keys but you can’t remember where you parked the car.

LOL. ..and yes; a member of that club. . .

16 posted on 08/02/2009 8:54:23 AM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America's 'sorrCDC STOPS DEATH COUNT...y' President))
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To: BAW

The “Law” doesnt just propose to reimburse doctors- it makes end-of-life and living will counseling by your DOCTOR MANDATORY.

Every 5 years after 65- but conveniently for those of you diagnosed with a chronic illness-—ANNUALLY.

Scene: A doctor’s office, 2015:

Doctor:
Sorry Mr Jones, your medical plan does not allow me to continue your monthly cortisone injections into your arthritic knees. Last year we were permitted to treat one knee for patients over 50. But now that you’ve passed age 65 with no meaningful assessment for improvement in your condition, the standard of care has changed.

I know the pain is unbearable and you are no longer able to walk or to work.

Have you considered a living will? I won’t be able to treat your other needs or prescribe pain meds until we have this counseling session completed and documented to be onfile.

It will only take 30 minutes. I have a video from the HHS my nurse can just pop in for you to watch in our special care-for-life room. After you watch it, I can answer any questions you may have about pain relief while refusing food and hydration.


17 posted on 08/02/2009 8:56:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: Admin Moderator

We will have a termination date tattoo placed on our forearms. That is the date that we will be escorted by his Brown Shirts to the euthanasia center


18 posted on 08/02/2009 8:57:40 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: BAW
This paragraph stood out to me.

Not since 2003 when Congress and President George W. Bush became involved in the death of Terry Schiavo, who lay in a vegetative state in a hospice in Florida, have lawmakers waded into the highly charged subject, said Howard Brody, director of an ethics institute at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston.

Terry Schiavo died in 2005 not 2003. Cici couldn't even get that fact right.
19 posted on 08/02/2009 9:04:45 AM PDT by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: BAW
“Cash for Clunkers” was just a prototype for “Cash for Croakers”.

Turn Granny in for a government coupon to your favorite retail outlet...

20 posted on 08/02/2009 9:10:20 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (There's something socialist in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? MITTBUSTERS!)
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To: silverleaf

Who will be billed for the toothpicks used to hold my eyes open during the video?


21 posted on 08/02/2009 9:19:50 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: BAW

22 posted on 08/02/2009 9:25:50 AM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: BAW

All geezers who do show up for counseling, demand your Miranda rights and an attorney, and make them pay for it


23 posted on 08/02/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: BAW
Sol goes home (From Soylent Green)
24 posted on 08/02/2009 9:45:48 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: charmedone
Why? Is rubbing alcohol expensive? ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
25 posted on 08/02/2009 9:48:50 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: BAW
I make a “will” out, or up date it anyway, every time I go out on patrol. I sure as hell don't need a government stooge sitting next to me telling me what to write, how to write it, and what to leave the government, like my personal property, my money, or my land to the govenment!!

Wake the F-— up America! Can't you see what the government is proposing here? Your end days are yours not the god D-mn governments!!!! Live free or die!

26 posted on 08/02/2009 11:01:34 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses)
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To: BAW
Under the plan, Medicare would reimburse doctors for one session every five years to confer with a patient about his or her wishes and how to ensure those preferences are followed. The counseling sessions would be voluntary.

I can see this as a quick buck to be made by the doctors. One quick question to you while you are in for your yearly checkup, reaps a bucket of money for them. They do not even need to ask you 'do you want to discuss your end-of-life plans?'.

27 posted on 08/02/2009 11:08:33 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: BAW

Sorry but read the bill they aren’t “rumors”. I love how they think they can lie and lie about what the bill has in it when all one has to do is go and read it. Seniors would be wise to listen carefully and disreguard what the Dems are telling you because they speak with fork tongue.


28 posted on 08/02/2009 11:09:07 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: ejonesie22

“Cash for Croakers” sounds so ... well ... unfeeling. Instead, how about a phrase that conveys the happy warmth of a successful shopping trip: “Cash at Checkout.”


29 posted on 08/02/2009 11:13:33 AM PDT by Wombat Ark
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To: Wombat Ark

I like it...


30 posted on 08/02/2009 12:13:20 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (There's something socialist in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? MITTBUSTERS!)
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To: BAW
We'll be like the turkeys on that "South Park" episode: herded into a theater to watch a nice movie about sunsets while a buzzsaw comes out of the walls...


31 posted on 08/02/2009 1:00:43 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: BAW

My big concern is that this issue will about “ending it all” will not only apply to seniors, but also to those who have challenges or chronic illnesses.


32 posted on 08/02/2009 2:44:26 PM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: heylady

Well in the last year, since I was 49, I had been recieving e-mails from the AA(L)RP and since I had just turned the BIG 5-0 this year TWO letters in the mail with their offical membership card encouraging me to join. Talk about eyes turing round like coffee soup bowls.


33 posted on 08/02/2009 2:51:38 PM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: BAW

34 posted on 08/02/2009 2:54:37 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: Radl

Please see my post number 33.


35 posted on 08/02/2009 2:55:57 PM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

they are recruiting youngsters these days.


36 posted on 08/02/2009 3:22:07 PM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: Radl

Oh yes, and I am considered a youngster who can do some dancing at a bluegrass music festival still and is no old lady
and yet AA(L)RP are interested in recruting me?


37 posted on 08/02/2009 3:26:31 PM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: ejonesie22
Although the counseling provision is a tiny sliver in a behemoth bill, the skirmish over end-of-life care, like arguments about abortion coverage, has provided ammunition to Obama's opponents and threatened to derail the president's broader health-care agenda.

There is a lot more evil in Obamacare than that. They want a committee of unelected bureaucrats to make future decisions about what treatments are allowed, and I'll take a wild guess that Obama is not going to stop appointing radical leftists to top government positions.

38 posted on 08/02/2009 3:52:17 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: BAW
The solution is simple:

Take the government totally out of health care.

Is it constitutional for the government to take my money and use it to pay someone else's medical bill? I don't think so.

39 posted on 08/02/2009 6:12:16 PM PDT by walsh
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