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Assisted suicide: Whose life is it anyway?
London Times ^ | 8/2/09 | Bryan Appleyard

Posted on 08/02/2009 11:13:32 AM PDT by wagglebee

Debbie Purdy was “ecstatic”. It was a strange reaction to the news that it had suddenly become easier to be killed in Zurich. But the real reason for her elation was that the news also meant it might soon become easier to be killed in Britain.

The law lords had just ruled that the director of public prosecutions (DPP) must make it clear under what circumstances he would prosecute somebody for assisting a suicide. It was the law lords’ last ruling before they themselves are killed off and replaced by a Supreme Court.

Multiple sclerosis will kill Purdy, 46, if the Dignitas clinic in Zurich does not do it first. Her argument was that she needed to know whether her husband, Omar Puente, would be prosecuted if he helped her make her last journey. If he would, she said, she would have to go and take the lethal dose of Nembutal soon, well before incapacity prevented her from travelling alone. If he would not, she could safely put it off for years.

The lords decided that not knowing which way the DPP would jump was an infringement of her rights, specifically article 8 of the European convention on human rights.

“Everyone,” they said, “has the right to respect for their private life and the way that Ms Purdy determines to spend the closing moments of her life is part of the act of living.”

Keir Starmer, QC, the DPP, has prosecuted none of the helpers of the 115 Britons who have gone to Zurich to die, but mostly his reasons have not been stated. The High Court backed his reticence, but the law lords said he must make his policy clear. He was not a happy QC.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
Yet which of us would deny a loved one’s release from intolerable, terminal suffering if offered the opportunity? That, too, can be seen as an obligation that connects us to others — an ultimate form of caring.

The culture of death loves to ignore the FACT that with proper palliative care this is a non-issue.

1 posted on 08/02/2009 11:13:32 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/02/2009 11:14:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/02/2009 11:14:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Whose life is it anyway? That’s easy. God gave the life.


4 posted on 08/02/2009 11:16:22 AM PDT by bareford101 (As Lenin said about socialism, "THE GOAL OF SOCIALISM IS COMMUNISM.")
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To: wagglebee
Debbie Purdy was “ecstatic”. It was a strange reaction to the news that it had suddenly become easier to be killed in Zurich. But the real reason for her elation was that the news also meant it might soon become easier to be killed in Britain.

I feel the exact same way.

My grandmother suffers from this condition that involves calling me several times a day. That coupled with the value of her home and the money she's draining from my inheritance, leads me to believe that a trip to Zurich might be just what the "doctor" ordered.

5 posted on 08/02/2009 11:16:37 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: bareford101
Whose life is it anyway? That’s easy. God gave the life.

And this means that ONLY God can take it.

6 posted on 08/02/2009 11:19:20 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Please tell me this was sarcasm.


7 posted on 08/02/2009 11:19:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

that is the other half! thanks for posting.


8 posted on 08/02/2009 11:20:00 AM PDT by bareford101 (As Lenin said about socialism, "THE GOAL OF SOCIALISM IS COMMUNISM.")
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To: Owl_Eagle
If this logic were run to its conclusion, a lot of expensive illegal aliens could be shipped out one way or another. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
9 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:11 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Owl_Eagle
If this logic were run to its conclusion, a lot of expensive illegal aliens could be shipped out one way or another. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
10 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:13 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: wagglebee

I’m sure that in her case, if she commits suicide, her “final journey” will be greatly assisted by gravity to an increasing warm place. (They make it sound so wonderful.)


11 posted on 08/02/2009 11:25:19 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: wagglebee

A real Death Cult has captured Western thinking. We sacrifice more people than any group in history; babies, old folks, the sick or those that think themselves sick, the weak willed who are talked into death by designing friends and family. Spooky!


12 posted on 08/02/2009 11:26:27 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 11:33:03 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: wagglebee
Please tell me this was sarcasm.

Wagglebee, you of all people should be the last to ask something like that.

14 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:36 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I just wanted it on record for when the deathbots read this.

Then again it would be hilarious to see Zero go on TV and say, “see, even the FReepers are okay with my plan to kill old people.”


15 posted on 08/02/2009 11:50:17 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Then again it would be hilarious to see Zero go on TV and say, “see, even the FReepers are okay with my plan to kill old people.”

I'm sure some group of weirdos like Media Matters already do.

16 posted on 08/02/2009 11:58:06 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

You’re probably right.


17 posted on 08/02/2009 12:02:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Owl_Eagle

*snort*


18 posted on 08/02/2009 12:17:26 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: wagglebee


An "ecstatic" Debbie Purdy after the ruling.

How can anyone, even if they don't believe in Christ, be this excited about suicide?
19 posted on 08/02/2009 12:31:34 PM PDT by mlizzy
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To: wagglebee
And this means that ONLY God can take it.

Then again there is that whole annoying free will thing.

And there doesn't seem to be much debate about those who commit unassisted suicide.

So maybe the state should just butt out of decisions that my doctor and I make.

20 posted on 08/02/2009 12:41:48 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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21 posted on 08/02/2009 12:53:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OpeEdMunkey
Then again there is that whole annoying free will thing.

And there doesn't seem to be much debate about those who commit unassisted suicide.

So maybe the state should just butt out of decisions that my doctor and I make.

God's gift of free will DOES NOT mean that there are no consequences and it certainly does not mean that suicide is not a sin.

Have you actually considered the ramifications of removing government oversight from the medical profession? Because that is what you are suggesting.

22 posted on 08/02/2009 1:00:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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When I was a trauma/ critical care nurse, I thought everyone should have DNR tattooed on their chests. When you see people away from the context of their loved ones and familiar surroundings, you don’t see quality of life.I now work with mentally and physically challenged adults out in the community and my opinion has changed. Their lives may not be like ours, but they are loved and able to love in return. That is quality of life. With proper and ADEQUATE pain management terminally ill patients can enjoy quality of life. There is no need to kill them. That’s not to say that when all else has failed,comfort care is not in order. If a miracle is going to happen, God will do it with or without the EXTREME measures used to prololng life.


23 posted on 08/02/2009 1:12:40 PM PDT by copwife (All God's creatures have a place in the choir!)
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To: mlizzy

Anyone that excited about other people’s deaths shouldn’t wear a scarf like that. It could get caught in something, like a door or a fist.


24 posted on 08/02/2009 1:33:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee
Please Pray for the Unborn
 
Pray for an end of euthanasia and a conversion of America to a culture of life!
 
 

25 posted on 08/02/2009 6:27:34 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: wagglebee
Have you actually considered the ramifications of increasing government oversight of the medical profession?

Because that is what Obama is suggesting.

And when it comes to suicide or assisting suicide as a sin, that's really in God's bailiwick, not man's.

Ever thought about how ridiculous it is for suicide to be illegal? There's really not much you can do to punish a corpse. The only reason it's illegal is to give insurance companies a solid footing for their not paying out on a suicide's life insurance policy.

26 posted on 08/03/2009 11:09:48 AM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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Have you actually considered the ramifications of increasing government oversight of the medical profession?

Because that is what Obama is suggesting.

You seem to have reached the conclusion that since more oversight is bad, that less must be good. This is INCORRECT.

So I will ask again, have you even considered what will happen if government oversight of medical care is eliminated?

And when it comes to suicide or assisting suicide as a sin, that's really in God's bailiwick, not man's.

He has already spoken on that issue, "Thou shalt not kill."

Ever thought about how ridiculous it is for suicide to be illegal? There's really not much you can do to punish a corpse. The only reason it's illegal is to give insurance companies a solid footing for their not paying out on a suicide's life insurance policy.

I'm sure that's the culture of death's latest talking point. However, suicide was a crime thousands of years before life insurance even existed. Moreover, insurance companies DO pay off on suicide if the policy is old enough.

27 posted on 08/03/2009 5:18:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I dunno. In another thread that you started you seem to be arguing against increased government oversight. You know the one. Government rationing...Terry Schiavo...culture of death...all that. So, do you want more government intervention or less?

On the upside you do make great use of upper case letters.

And again, sin and punishment thereof is God’s business. Not yours, unless you’re a priest, and certainly not the government’s.

Sure. Suicide is a crime if you happen to take someone out with you. Or maybe it’s akin to littering if you decide to jump off of a building - and someone has to mop you up.

Other than that it’s between me and God. Not me, God, and the state. And certainly not me, God, and you.

You’d be hard pressed to find a life insurance policy that pays out if the life is ended by suicide. I’ve been reading a lot of them lately. In fact there are some that don’t pay out if you buy it while committing a crime.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 2:32:00 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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