Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Glad you created the separate thread
BUMP. Did you send to WND?
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Great research and documentation.
I will be very interested in seeing whether or not this form Orly’s gotten ahold of turns out to be legitimate or a very carefully generated fake.
But then either way you look at it, something big is happening.
If it’s real...well, I don’t have to go into why that’s big.
But if it’s fake...one has to ask, who benefits from such a detail oriented forgery? Certainly not Taitz or Keyes. All that would happen is they’d look like fools and their cause would suffer a major blow.
The one who’d benefit from a provable forgery would be Obama. And if he’d be the one to benefit...does it not follow that one of his agents put it out there to distract and detract from what Orly and Keyes are trying to do?
Wow, go away for a day and the doo doo hits the air circulation device.
For later.
Hey No Riley! Show US the one you saw!!!!
Did it look like this?
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Thanks so very much. You are amazing!
Good job! The dots do line up. Now the only way to clear this up is to get the original records from both Kenya and Hawaii.
I am encouraged by your “connect the dot” thinking.
One way or another, the truth will set us free.
I KNEW THEY WOULD!!!! Good Work... and I assume that you are keeping Orly posted.... if you are not, please do... join her facebook, help her..
Have a question for Freepers. I googled the “E. F. Lavender” and one of the sites that popped up was Orly’s. Google has a warning that “this site may harm your computer”. Anyone know anything about that? or is this a ploy by Google to sway someone away from visiting the site?
The site is:orlytaitzesq.com
Man I hope we can nail this down and get more proof to lock it down hard. I would love for Lou Dobbs to have this on his show.
My guess is O’s gang knew this was coming. I am starting to wonder if O was a set up, trap or honey pot the GOP used on the Dems to sucker them into electing a Kenyan. Anything he signs will be void.
Thanks for your great work. Yes, this definitely deserves a separate thread.
I have a feeling that things are coming to a boil. Odd timing. Big news on a Sunday morning. More and more attention being paid to the birth certificate problem in mid summer, as congress goes into recess, the TV networks are filled with re-runs, and many are on vacation and ignoring the news.
It’s no coincidence, IMHO, that every damned newspaper and left-wing news magazine in the country has been running “birther” bashing stories. The orders to do that clearly went out from the White House.
And stories are floating around, impossible to evaluate, that Obama has already had a certified copy of his “original” Hawaiian birth certificate forged by his operatives, using an early printing press they have bought, and that it is almost ready to go.
By the way, perhaps there is no connection, but there is also some talk of another looming stock market and dollar collapse. No idea if it will happen, but I suspect that we are shortly going to find ourselves amidst “interesting times.”
I understand your point but by that logic The Bush campaign would have been behind Rathergate memos. Let’s see if this actual BC turns up and is examined forensically.At least they didn’t use Word in creating it.
Good visual as usual. :-)
There has been a lot of comment about people getting warning messages recently when they visit Orly’s site. I don’t myself. Possibly it results from installing the Google Toolbar on your browser. I use google to search, but have deep-sixed the toolbar. I don’t get any warnings. I’m not sure if that’s what’s causing it.
But it wouldn’t be surprising if they used google to warn people away from Orly. Nor would it be surprising if they sabotaged her website.
No not really. I mean, sure, if both situations are completely equivalent, you might have a point.
But the thing is, I don’t suspect Dan Rather or any of the fools behind Rathergate ever believed that the report would be questioned...or if they did, I doubt they felt it would go as far as it did. They expected it to be swallowed whole cloth and it was...until it was proven to be a fake.
If the Bush people leaked fake documents in order to sucker the left, then again, the Rather crew were morons for not fully vetting the material before reporting on it and putting the Rather stamp of authenticity on it.
Please, oh Please God!!!
It doesn’t need to be forensically examined. Unlike his photo shop BC, this document lists Registration #, Book #, and page #, just authenticate those with Kenyan Gov’t, and you’re done.
Also note, there are the name of a witness, Doctor, and clerk that can be verified, as well.
Very good work.
Thank you.
If you follow the links, the badware website says it has received ONE complaint, and it is NOT verified.
I’ve hit it about 10 times in the last hour or so, with FF, Opera, OffByOne, and IE8, and only with Firefox does it warn me. My AV doesn’t say a word.
I think the report is an attempt to scare us birthers off. LOL
Shazam!
I love it when a plan comes together.
Your path would be the easiest to take, but somehow i doubt the Kenyan govt is going to assist in helping remove its favorite son from the Presidency. Of course there may be Empire records in London that can be accessed, but I think the actual document itself would be very useful to this line of questioning.
Just for pure entertainment value, it is amusing to have dems in office an watch them fall a part. Willie Clinton was a hoot... this dude will lead to all kinds of drama.
you realize, of course, that that’s the equivalent of walking up to the front door of a house being fumigated, seeing a sign for poison, walking over to another door and deciding it’s OK to enter based on the fact that their isn’t a sign on that door?
the site has probably been infected; FF’s security features far outstrip most other web browsers, except for google chrome and the new safari.
BP2....I think you may have hit the Mother load. Very nice work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The “Birther Bashing” stories are getting more frenetic and frantic. (I thought that I should be redundant with the words) :)
On February 17, 1964 the formal title of the country was the “Dominion of Kenya”. It became the “Republic of Kenya” on December 12, 1964, about 10 months later.
This does not pass the smell test.
As much as I would like this document to be legit, the content would seem to suggest otherwise. Another Freeper pointed out that Kenya did not become a republic until December 1964. Do a search on “Dominion of Kenya” and you will find yourself wondering why the document bears the phrase “Republic of Kenya”.
According to worldflags101.com, “The country changed its name from the Dominion of Kenya to the Republic of Kenya in 1964.”
It’s clearly stated here, as well: http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/President-of-Kenya
In the absence of any further information I’m inclined to call the document bogus, but I’d truly love to be wrong. Fwiw.
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Papa, what does your tagline mean? (Just Curious)
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If true, the GOP would also be guilty of treason for allowing an ineligible person to be elected President without protest. I don't think there is any clever chessgame going on at all, the Leftists operate in accordance with "by any means necessary" and the GOP operates in accordance with "please let us be liked by Leftists." Add media accomplices and you have a perfect setup for an easy fraud.
I’m a dinosaur. Already lost me with the toolbar. ;)
The decree wasn’t on Inauguration Day. Johnson was sworn in for his elected term in January 1965.
I know this; once, I had to go to the bathroom really really bad, and I fronted; walked with my head high like nothing was wrong. I picked up the pace a little more... a little more....
I think Obama has political diarrhea. A real problem if he can't find a political toilet.
Quick fix, find another comprable document from the same batch.
His BC probably states “Daddy unknown” or Daddy is Uncle Frank.
Again, spot on BP2.
Thanks for the timeline. ProtecttheBillofRights caught this early this morning.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=1215#1215
January 20, 1964 Motion for Divorce Dunham / Obama
February 17, 1964 is date of Kenyan COLB
Perhaps it was needed for the divorce action?
(Only thinking out loud...no judgement made)
1,215 posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:37:29 AM by Protect the Bill of Rights
Supposedly WND has Birth certificates from the time frame this was issued and it looks legit!
I’m thinking he was born a hermaphrodite.
That is something I never thought of. He was born a Marxist but a dual gendered dude?
excellent work.
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