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Kenyan Birth Certificate - 1964 Divorce Timeline
Free Republic ^ | 8-2-09 | BP2

Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2


My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.

Here we go:

Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
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Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.

When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
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Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.

However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.

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NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.

Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.

Obama's unconfirmed Kenyan birth certificate


If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.

Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.

As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).


I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.

It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

HOWEVER -- the dates DO "line up" for the Kenyan Birth Certificate to be REAL.



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To: Porterville; kabar

>>>>find documents establishing the use of Republic prior to December of 1964.

Jamuhuri Day - December 12, 1963 - National Holiday.

Jamuhuri means Republic.


221 posted on 08/02/2009 10:39:31 PM PDT by Calpernia (DefendOurFreedoms.Org)
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To: Calpernia
Then what is their National Holiday, Jamuhuri Day - December 12, 1963?

Jamhuri is the Swahili word for "republic", a holiday to mark Kenya's establishment as a republic on 12 December, 1964.

Kenya also gained independence exactly one year before this, on Dec 12th 1963. So they can celebrate both independence and becoming a republic on the same day, despite these events being one year apart.

Independence Dec 12th 1963
Republic Dec 12th 1964
222 posted on 08/02/2009 11:00:09 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: BP2; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

Thanks so much for posting this information ..


223 posted on 08/03/2009 12:20:53 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Calpernia

Good job.

Yep, it’s all coming together now!


224 posted on 08/03/2009 12:23:02 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Cicero; All

Google executives are on WH boards, friends of BHO .. rumors out there they may do the healthcare database online deal.


225 posted on 08/03/2009 12:26:51 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: xkaydet65

That’s reaching ... no equivalency at all or relevance.


226 posted on 08/03/2009 12:28:02 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Fred Nerks

Good deduction !


227 posted on 08/03/2009 12:34:15 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

There are eight pages on this link, the pages are numbered by hand from ONE to TWELVE.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9694026/Obama-64-Divorce-Decree-Plains-Radio

Looks like four pages relate to identification to me.


228 posted on 08/03/2009 12:46:07 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Note that repeating “f” characters in the printed document are not represented as ligatures (”ff”) in the words “official” and “Office”.

Wouldn’t it be standard practice for a printer to use ligatures in those words?


229 posted on 08/03/2009 12:54:08 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: DJ MacWoW; NYIslander; All

Google’s Schmidt and Microsoft’s Mundie Appointed As Obama Tech Advisors

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/googles-schmidt-and-microsofts-mundie-appointed-as-obama-tech-advisors/


230 posted on 08/03/2009 12:54:32 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Plutarch
If you haven't seen it, ping to Post 494.

I've poured over numerous documents and research essays that DEEPLY explore the Islamic secessionist movement in the 10 mile coastal strip of the British Protectorate leading up to and including 1964.

That area of land, which was part of what is now Coastal Province in Kenya where Mombasa lies, became independent on October 5, 1963 from an agreement in the exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte.

It seems the Coastal Registrar's office started calling itself the "Republic of Kenya" BEFORE Dec. 12, 1964 to protect its rights and not be annexed by neighboring Zanzibar.

The facts still line up for the Kenyan birth certificate to be legitimate.

231 posted on 08/03/2009 1:23:05 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Placemarker ... need sleep! Must have sleep ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


232 posted on 08/03/2009 1:36:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Mount Athos

No.

Independence Day is June 1, 1963 (Madaraka Day)

Republic Day is December 12, 1963 (Jamuhuri Day)


233 posted on 08/03/2009 5:11:44 AM PDT by Calpernia (DefendOurFreedoms.Org)
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To: Calpernia; STARWISE; BP2; LucyT; penelopesire; FARS

Good find Calpernia:
Independence Day is June 1, 1963 (Madaraka Day)

Republic Day is December 12, 1963 (Jamuhuri Day)

From another post, another thread:
(This one looks particularly interesting.)

Genealogy Forum - Kenya: http://genforum.genealogy.com/kenya/


234 posted on 08/03/2009 6:11:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: STARWISE; maggief; Calpernia; BP2; Fred Nerks

From previous link:

“I got a lot of help from the Kenya Government archives without actually going there!”
...

WEBSITE - http://www.kenyarchives.go.ke


235 posted on 08/03/2009 6:27:49 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: okie01
Whether they actually did or not is subject to authentication -- which needs to be undertaken before we assume the validity of this document.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I totally agree. I just don't like the assumption some have made that it somehow shows the document is a hoax. PM

236 posted on 08/03/2009 6:55:16 AM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: politicalmerc; okie01; Calpernia
From Calpernia (one of FR super sleuths)

Independence Day is June 1, 1963 (Madaraka Day)

Republic Day is December 12, 1963 (Jamuhuri Day)

237 posted on 08/03/2009 7:09:12 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks
And, I believe, it was Fred Nerks that initially found that information unknowingly on the old, super long, blogger info thread we have had going for about a year now.

Fred Nerks posted this MONTHS ago. But didn't realize that this date was actually called:
June 1, 1963, reads: “Nairobi, Kenya – Waving his ‘wisk’ the newly-elected Premier of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta (R, foreground), greeted throngs of cheering citizens as he rode through the streets of Nairobi.

What Fred didn't realize was this was Madaraka Day. Because it was only captioned with the date.

Madaraka Day - June 1, 1963:

- Kenya was given sovereignty over their political affairs and their resources
- Kenya was given a Bill of Rights to be enforced by an independent judiciary
- Kenya created a democratic Nation by rule of law

That is how I learned about Jamuhuri:

Jamuhuri (Republic) Day - December 12, 1963:

December 12th 1963 (Jamuhuri or Republic Day), Kenya attained independent dominion status within the British Commonwealth under a constitution that was negotiated and agreed at three multi-party Constitutional Conferences held in London and Nairobi between 1961 and 1963.

238 posted on 08/03/2009 7:56:38 AM PDT by Calpernia (DefendOurFreedoms.Org)
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To: Calpernia

ANother good find...FR-mail


239 posted on 08/03/2009 8:02:17 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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Bump


240 posted on 08/03/2009 9:06:24 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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