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L.A. Episcopal leaders nominate 2 openly gay, lesbian priests as bishops
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 2, 2009 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/02/2009 5:13:37 PM PDT by Zakeet

Episcopal Church leaders in Los Angeles today nominated an openly gay priest and an openly lesbian priest as bishops, becoming one of the first dioceses in the national church to test a controversial new policy that lifted a de facto ban on gays and lesbians in the ordained hierarchy.

The nominations of the Rev. John L. Kirkley of San Francisco and the Rev. Canon Mary Douglas Glasspool of a Baltimore-based diocese are likely to further inflame theological conservatives in the U.S. church and their global partners in the Anglican Communion, who have repeatedly warned about the repercussions of such action.

The two are among six nominees who will face election for two assistant bishop posts at the diocese's annual December convention in Riverside.

The Diocese of Los Angeles, which represents 70,000 Episcopalians in six counties, is widely regarded as one of the most liberal in the U.S. church of 2.1 million members. Its bishop, the Rt. Rev. J. Jon Bruno, is an outspoken advocate of gays rights in the church.

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U.S. church leaders had promised to exercise restraint before consecrating additional gay bishops in the aftermath of that contentious move. But they reversed course at their convention in Anaheim last month, voting overwhelmingly to open "any ordained ministry" to gays and lesbians. They also agreed to consider rites of blessing for same-sex couples.

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The action in Los Angeles followed a similar decision Saturday by leaders in the Diocese of Minnesota, who nominated a partnered lesbian as bishop. The Rev. Bonnie Perry is rector of All Saints Episcopal Church in Chicago and an adjunct professor at Seabury-Western Theological Seminary in Evanston, Ill. Her longtime partner is a priest in the church.

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1 posted on 08/02/2009 5:13:37 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

It looks like they’ve decided to turn their church over to the gay mafia.


2 posted on 08/02/2009 5:16:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop the DemocRATS' War On America!)
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To: Zakeet

Strange, I missed the new Revelation, where God said he wanted to change the Bible.


3 posted on 08/02/2009 5:17:21 PM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s the Very Gay Church of America..don’t cha know...


4 posted on 08/02/2009 5:18:06 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Only ACORN could put a long legged mac daddy, quasi-muslim, communist freak into the white house...)
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To: Zakeet

Putting aside the theological problem of having open and unrepentant sinners in charge, it seems like a pretty short sighted decision on the part of the Episcopalians.

I just can’t see the homosexuals providing the financial support that is needed to support all of the churches and other institutions of the denomination.


5 posted on 08/02/2009 5:22:42 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Zakeet

likely to further inflame theological conservatives.”

No, just the Christians.


6 posted on 08/02/2009 5:31:05 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: I_Like_Spam

“I just can’t see the homosexuals providing the financial support that is needed to support all of the churches and other institutions of the denomination.”

In American church history, any number of denominations have split along liberal/conservative lines. The liberal faction usually dies out long before the initial schismatics are dead, and comes crawling back to the much stronger conservative faction.

I’m living thru the current Presbyterian (PC-USA) slow-motion schism over the same issue. Those who propose gay ordination (every year, even when they’ve never won a vote nation-wide) say that, “The PC-USA is declining, and we can’t afford to lose any members.” Fair enough, but I don’t see the Presbyterians losing members to the Episcopalians, or the UCC, etc. I definitely don’t see the Metropolitan Church growing. In other words, one more time when I end up using facts to debate liberals, and as Ann Coulter points out, it doesn’t seem to work with them.


7 posted on 08/02/2009 5:33:34 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Zakeet


8 posted on 08/02/2009 5:38:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Zakeet

They have free will. It will not be until judgment day that they will see the errors of their ways. Will I pray for them? Yes, I will.


9 posted on 08/02/2009 5:53:08 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Episcopal Church leaders in Los Angeles today nominated a kleptomaniac and a serial rapist as bishops, becoming one of the first dioceses in the national church to test a controversial new policy that lifted a de facto ban on the unrepentant in the ordained hierarchy.


10 posted on 08/02/2009 6:20:02 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: TurtleUp

“Strange, I missed the new Revelation, where God said he wanted to change the Bible.”

Don’t worry, the lefties have that covered too...(UCC in this case)with their “God is still speaking” initiative :

“According to the Ohio-based www.gaypeopleschronicle.com,[3] Ron Buford and the Stillspeaking Initiative “puts the UCC at the forefront of liberal theology, and the denomination itself, fighting for LGBT equality from pulpits across the nation.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_still_speaking


11 posted on 08/02/2009 6:21:34 PM PDT by Bonneville
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To: ahadams2; x_plus_one; bastantebueno55; Needham; sc70; jpr_fire2gold; Tennessee Nana; QBFimi; ...
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12 posted on 08/02/2009 6:26:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: Bonneville

“...God is still speaking” initiative...”

Well, there a are a few times in the Bible where God has second thoughts... the “No more floods” passage in Genesis, or the entire debate over whether children’s teeth are set on edge from grapes that their parents ate (for instance).

However, usually, it’s pretty safe to side with 4,000 years of traditional understanding of morality when a new idea on morality is presented against it.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 6:28:18 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Zakeet
The nominations ... are likely to further inflame theological conservatives in the U.S. church

I am guessing there are relatively few of those.

14 posted on 08/02/2009 6:28:26 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: sionnsar

“I am guessing there are relatively few of those.”

No, there are many, especially if you believe that each person is supposed to be doing theological reflection.

What is lacking are theological conservatives in teaching and administrative positions within the denominations’ headquarters.


15 posted on 08/02/2009 6:35:42 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Zakeet

Church of the Holy Homo


16 posted on 08/02/2009 6:38:00 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Zakeet

So its the Episcopal church not the Anglican church going off the rails completely ? Or is there overlap ?


17 posted on 08/02/2009 6:38:40 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: Zakeet
The Diocese of Los Angeles (is) widely regarded as one of the most liberal in the U.S. church of 2.1 million members. Its bishop, the Rt. Rev. J. Jon Bruno, is an outspoken advocate of gays rights in the church.

He also believes the Great Commission is null and void:

The Bishop of Los Angeles has issued an apology to Hindus for Christian attempts to convert them, and authorized a joint Hindu-Anglican service at St John’s Cathedral in Los Angeles—permitting Hindu devotees to receive the consecrated elements. The Rt. Rev. J. Jon Bruno apologized for past incidents of Christian discrimination against Hindus and vowed not to proselytize non-Christians . . . continued here
Christianity is a big tent. Christians may hold many different theological and political positions. But at the center of the faith, there is, among other things, Matthew 28:16-20. Give that up, as leftists always preach Christians should, and the faith goes the way of the Shakers. Which is, I believe, exactly what Rev. Bruno wants. Even if one is charitable and assumes Bruno doesn't know where he is headed, it doesn't change the result. Christianity will never go away but its influence will be greatly diminished by what Bruno and others accept.
18 posted on 08/02/2009 6:40:07 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: PGR88

Yes, this move seems queer.


19 posted on 08/02/2009 6:49:02 PM PDT by DHC-2 (my flags: http://www.jdlinn.com/liberty.html)
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To: Bonneville

1. God, Who is Eternal Truth, will never contradict Himself.

2. God is still calling sinners to repentance.


20 posted on 08/02/2009 6:54:57 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I am only ONE of many real Jim Thompsons, yet I am ONE.)
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To: TWohlford

>> In American church history, any number of denominations have split along liberal/conservative lines. The liberal faction usually dies out long before the initial schismatics are dead, and comes crawling back to the much stronger conservative faction. <<

I wish you were right, but I can’t think of one instance where that has happened.


21 posted on 08/02/2009 7:26:57 PM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
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To: sionnsar
I've pretty much decide that from now on, I'm going to take the Rhett Butler approach to ANYTHING that TEC does in the future, to wit...

Frankly m'dear..I don't give a damn!!!

22 posted on 08/02/2009 7:47:33 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Zakeet

Relax boys, put a sockin it, don’t get uppity, the charade’s over, yer no longer a church.


23 posted on 08/02/2009 7:58:59 PM PDT by Waco (Libs exhale too much)
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To: Zakeet

Relax boys, put a sockin it, don’t get uppity, the charade’s over, yer no longer a church.


24 posted on 08/02/2009 7:59:27 PM PDT by Waco (Libs exhale too much)
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To: lucias_clay
So its the Episcopal church not the Anglican church going off the rails completely ? Or is there overlap ?

Depends a lot upon terminology and location, among other factors.

Just think "Christian church going off the rails" and realize that you're depending upon self-definition of "Christian" and you might understand the problem. The only clear point is that the Episcopal church (PECUSA/ECUSA/TEC) is off the rails, but the term "Anglican" covers a broad range.

25 posted on 08/02/2009 8:07:35 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: ken5050; Huber
I've pretty much decide that from now on, I'm going to take the Rhett Butler approach to ANYTHING that TEC does in the future, to wit...
Frankly m'dear..I don't give a damn!!!

If most of the list would concur, I'd happily drop this ping list. I believe its founding mission is over.

26 posted on 08/02/2009 8:09:15 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: Zakeet; Peanut Gallery

It really doesn’t matter much. All the real Christians left a while back.


27 posted on 08/02/2009 8:12:13 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (FUBO: You know, there just might be something to this Solyent Green idea.)
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To: sionnsar; Huber

I still read your pings to the Anglican List; I would vote to keep it, but if outvoted, I will certainly understanding why . . .


28 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:30 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Life Scout!)
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To: sionnsar; ken5050
If most of the list would concur, I'd happily drop this ping list. I believe its founding mission is over.

Agreed. Everything, and all choices are out in the open now. Most of the stories are simply variations on the same themes that have been posted repeatedly.

Once in a while, a story comes along or an event occurs that is new and important, but not very frequently.

29 posted on 08/02/2009 9:26:12 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber; sionnsar

Interesting comments, all.. Mine was half disgust, half tongue in cheek.., but I think we’ve all somehow realized that nothing that TEC does in the future will ever surprise us, nor do we really care anymore what they do, nor whom they do it with.....these threads are now more like “rubbernecking” as one passes an accident on the highway...and since, “there but for the Grace of God, go we..” well...


30 posted on 08/03/2009 6:30:23 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050; Huber; Kolokotronis
As regards TEC, yes, this is 100% correct -- they're not likely to surprise us, nor do we care (much, except for some sadness over the fate of that church). And CofE seems to be becoming pretty much of the same ilk.

Yet things haven't all been played out in the world-wide Anglican Communion, and who knows what might come up in the Continuing churches?

Perhaps the list could be re-purposed away from TEC and towards the ("rest of the" / real) Anglican world. WHat do you think?

31 posted on 08/03/2009 10:41:34 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: sionnsar; ken5050; Kolokotronis
Perhaps the list could be re-purposed away from TEC and towards the ("rest of the" / real) Anglican world. WHat do you think?

Yes! However, a change to the banner stating (truthfully with charity) that TEC is not within the scope of interest of the list would be helpful in avoiding misunderstandings.

32 posted on 08/03/2009 11:02:44 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber

That would definitely be part of the change!


33 posted on 08/03/2009 12:09:06 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: sionnsar; Huber

I concur. Another reason why I support “refocusing” the ping list is that time is limited...there’s so much to read and keep up with, courtesy of Zero...that I don’t need to waste my time reading, let alone commenting on threads about the current “lunacy du jour” of TEC...and the Madwoman who runs the joint..


34 posted on 08/03/2009 7:19:48 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050; Huber
Sounds like we have a consensus, among us three. *\;-)

I am deep in catchup mode right now -- my travel has affected not only my work backlog but my parish and provincial "duties" backlog. But I'll be back.

35 posted on 08/03/2009 7:46:37 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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