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Conspiracy birthing a rift in the GOP
Ft. Wayne journal gazette ^ | 8-2-2009 | Commentary By Sylvia A. Smith

Posted on 08/02/2009 7:03:07 PM PDT by muddler

WASHINGTON – Sometimes you just want to shake your head and wonder what’s in the water.

(Excerpt) Read more at us.yhs.search.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: attitude; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; conspiracy; sniff
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It's all here too, whack-a-doo chorus, Conspiracy theorists, birthers remain nearly hysterical, Maybe the birthers are really members of MoveOn.org.
1 posted on 08/02/2009 7:03:08 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
Troll much, do ya!

Beware of the Viking Kitties

2 posted on 08/02/2009 7:05:21 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: muddler

Yet you have a quote from Alan Keyes (one of the leading “conspiracy theorists”) on your profile page.


3 posted on 08/02/2009 7:05:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: muddler

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090802/EDIT0501/308029936/0/FRONTPAGE

Correct link.


4 posted on 08/02/2009 7:06:12 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
Sometimes you just want to shake your head and wonder what’s in the water.
Especially if you're ignorant of the facts...
5 posted on 08/02/2009 7:07:18 PM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t shoot the messenger:)


6 posted on 08/02/2009 7:09:56 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
You accuse us here who want to see some proof of where your boy was born of being part of moveon?

You won't get shot, just zotted, troll

7 posted on 08/02/2009 7:11:37 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: muddler

Actually, the conspiracy is the action of the Whitehouse and the Media to bury the issue rather than allowing any sort of fact finding to take place.


8 posted on 08/02/2009 7:14:07 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I know that I haven’t been here very long but at least read the article and maybe my posting history be fore jumping to conclusions.

This was my first attempt at posting a story, maybe I worded it incorrectly.


9 posted on 08/02/2009 7:16:04 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

As usual, the author realizes her arguments are so weak that she realizes she must not represent the ‘birthers’ arguments fairly, or her readers will agree with them.


10 posted on 08/02/2009 7:16:54 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: muddler
Maybe you should refrain from calling FReepers moveon plants, that might engender some kinder responses.

We'll see

11 posted on 08/02/2009 7:19:14 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: muddler

LOL! How’s it feel when their boy gets the BDS treatment?


12 posted on 08/02/2009 7:21:19 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I didn’t write the article.

She seems to have all the talking points down pat.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 7:22:50 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
Your links just go to a page full of links.

If you have an article to discuss, fine, post it.

If you just want to point and ridicule, take a number, because we don't care. To some of us, TRUTH is what matters.

All truth passes through 3 stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

14 posted on 08/02/2009 7:23:15 PM PDT by MamaTexan (If you think calling me a 'birther' will make me stop defending the Constitution....think again!)
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To: muddler
President Zero has Zero reasons to quell this story.
15 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:07 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Caipirabob

Tough crowd.


16 posted on 08/02/2009 7:28:55 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

From your home page: “ .... He (Obama) is going to destroy this country and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”

Soooo, your chosen weapon in stopping 0 is: to ridicule those here who are holding up the Constitution and calling his bluff?


17 posted on 08/02/2009 7:31:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (`We are a nation of laws, not men." US v. Nixon (1974) But only when Republicans are in power.)
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To: muddler
Tough crowd.

The problem is this:

"It's all here too, whack-a-doo chorus, Conspiracy theorists, birthers remain nearly hysterical, Maybe the birthers are really members of MoveOn.org. "

It looks like your comment. You didn't make it clear that you took those comments from the moonbat's editorial. It's always a good idea to make sure the intent of your post is clear before hitting the "post" button.

18 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:19 PM PDT by 50mm (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: muddler

PS I have heard many in the MSM, the Democratic Party and the new-and-improved GOP calling us a lot of names, including “racists”.
It is my experience that most of these people—including yourself, if you subscribe to their invective—are flaming, homosexual butt-plugs.


19 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:54 PM PDT by tumblindice (`We are a nation of laws, not men." US v. Nixon (1974))
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Here kitty kitty.

angel smileys

20 posted on 08/02/2009 7:36:39 PM PDT by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: tumblindice

This story is just like the countless others that have surfaced in the last week or so.

This story originates from D.C.


21 posted on 08/02/2009 7:38:02 PM PDT by muddler
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To: 50mm

Ah, That wasn’t my intent at all.


22 posted on 08/02/2009 7:40:29 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

One of the original birthers is Hilliary Clinton, our Secretary of State.


23 posted on 08/02/2009 7:42:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: muddler
Ah, That wasn’t my intent at all.

But that's the perception of those giving you a hard time. I hope you're wearing your asbestos underwear.

24 posted on 08/02/2009 7:43:43 PM PDT by 50mm (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: muddler

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


25 posted on 08/02/2009 7:46:45 PM PDT by Dryman (Now, Back to Lurking)
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To: Dryman

And everything else.


26 posted on 08/02/2009 7:48:09 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

More like an enraged crowd and not over the birth certificate. Just so many other Americans, the anger is building as we realize what we suspected during the campaign regarding that monster in the WH, is now coming true. He was indeed the Marxist piece of whale sh*t we thought he was.


27 posted on 08/02/2009 7:50:28 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe

I know, I know.


28 posted on 08/02/2009 7:52:59 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
Tough crowd.

I was making a general statement.

Personally, I think that the American people have a right to see the resident prove he's eligible (not qualified, that's just not gonna happen) for the office.

However I suspect it won't be produced for very good reasons.

My theory is that instead of a name where his father should be stated, there's a "Top 10" list.

29 posted on 08/02/2009 8:00:08 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

I don’t see this going away any time soon, Seems to me that the longer he refuses to release all of the material that documents his history the more people will want to see it.

Whatever he’s hiding must be very damaging.


30 posted on 08/02/2009 8:07:11 PM PDT by muddler
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To: MamaTexan; Grampa Dave; Issaquahking; AuntB; BOBTHENAILER
Very good quote! I can't remember if it was Reagan, or who it was that said "lies have speed, but truth has endurance!"

The only problem is, with modern new and old media shooting out lies as out of a fire hose, people like Palin get badly hosed before they get ANY chance to defend!!!

31 posted on 08/02/2009 8:09:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: muddler
Whatever he’s hiding must be very damaging.

Or a lot of people will be made to look like fools.

32 posted on 08/02/2009 8:09:47 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: airborne

Yes, As much as I hope that Orly Taitz has all the ducks in a row I can’t help wondering about the red herring as well.


33 posted on 08/02/2009 8:15:03 PM PDT by muddler
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Well, I’m new here but it seems like some on Freerepublic are too much into this “birth” thing with absolutely no evidence. It is like a religious faith or something. I note that we are in the greatest struggle of our nations existence over the hoax global warming excuse for taxing us to death and taking your right to life away and making you go to death counseling and we keep firing blanks at this nonsense.


34 posted on 08/02/2009 8:18:41 PM PDT by ludlowm
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To: muddler
If there is a rift in the Republican Party it's because of weak leadership who show no interest in making sure that Obama is eligible to be President. It is no conspiracy that makes people question his eligibility. Let Obama product his real birth certificate and end this.

Now, I don't run around everyday deceiving myself that it will ever be proven that Obama is not eligible to hold the office. However, it is my opinion that any citizen has a right to question his eligibility until the Kenyon imposter proves beyond a doubt that he is was a natural born citizen and is eligible. The press and others should quit faulting those who question. It is Obama's fault and his alone.

35 posted on 08/02/2009 8:19:15 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: muddler

Anyone who says the birth certificate issue is creating a rift in the party is a moron.

And I suspect you’ll be smelling ozone soon.


36 posted on 08/02/2009 8:20:11 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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To: ludlowm
Then go post somewhere else.

I hear they need some more sign ups at the DUmp, maybe you'll fit in better

37 posted on 08/02/2009 8:25:51 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: ludlowm
...birth” thing with absolutely no evidence.

P.S.

You are woefully ignorant or just a stupid troll....go educate yourself before spouting you mouth off.

38 posted on 08/02/2009 8:30:16 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: 50mm
The people giving him a hard time are idiots. Why would anyone care what an idiot thinks? Let alone alter their behavior?

39 posted on 08/02/2009 8:31:08 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: muddler
The “birthers” are getting the Swiftboater treatment. When faced with the realization that what they are saying might be factually accurate the Obama supporters, like the Kerry supporters, resort to attacking the messenger instead of trying to refute the message. It didn't work for Kerry and only time will tell if it derails a 2nd term for Obama. Unfortunately no judge in the universe is going to remove a sitting President, valid birth certificate or not.
40 posted on 08/02/2009 8:32:44 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: ludlowm
Well, I’m new here but it seems like some on Freerepublic are too much into this “birth” thing with absolutely no evidence.

Here's the evidence, n00b.

FACT! - President 0bama has never produced his original birth certificate. EVER!

FACT! - There have been many attempts to pass off fakes and forgeries of his original birth certificate.

FACT! - There have been many attempts to prevent people from seeing his original birth certificate.

FACT! - 0bama has paid large sums of money to lawyers to prevent legal action requesting that he produce his original birth certificate, to prove that he is eligible to be President.

FACT! - President could end all of these legitimate questions regarding his eligibility by simply releasing his original birth certificate. But for reasons known only to him, HE HAS REFUSED!

Now that you have this "evidence" presented to you, how do you think honest, l;aw abiding Americans should react?

By ignoring it all?

41 posted on 08/02/2009 8:39:35 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: muddler
She is the only Washington-based reporter who exclusively covers northeast Indiana.

What a hoot!

I almost mistook her for the only New York based reporter that exclusively covers Eastern Idaho.

Or wait, maybe I thought she was the only Chicago based reporter that covers Lilliput exclusively!   It's difficult to keep track of arcane minutiae.

42 posted on 08/02/2009 8:40:00 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ludlowm
The "birth" thing didn't arise in a vacuum. Obama has kept information about his background tightly bottled-up and controlled. It appears that he's desperate not to allow Americans to know anything about him that he has not carefully worked over to fit the two dimensional persona he has made into his public image.

The more stubbornly Obama refuses to be transparent regarding his origins and background, the more he comes across as a liar, con man, and manipulator.

43 posted on 08/02/2009 8:40:19 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: jerry639

Yes, Weak leadership is the problem in many respects.

The kenyan should be required to prove his eligibility, The burden of proof is on him.

How can he expect to hide his past forever, That is not going to happen, so..what is the point?

What is the end game here for him, the big picture?

Legacy is such a big deal for former presidents, Will his not include his history pre white house?

I don’t think so.

Maybe he wants to recreate a history for himself.


44 posted on 08/02/2009 8:43:49 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
TROLL!
45 posted on 08/02/2009 9:46:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: muddler; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; Jim Robinson
Maybe the birthers are really members of MoveOn.org.

I find it interesting that a n00b who has a quote from Alan Keyes on his forum page would disparge those people who are asking questions about Obama's pedigree.

I guess you don't know, or don't care, that Alan Keyes is a plaintiff in the lawsuit that is demanding that Obama release his birth certificate.

I suspect that if there is anyone around here that is a Moveon.org troll, it is YOU!

At any rate you are as phony as a three dollar bill.

Move-on Troll!

46 posted on 08/02/2009 9:50:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: muddler

I knew what you were doing. Carry on.


47 posted on 08/02/2009 10:24:06 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: muddler

There is no rift in the GOP. There are only some in the party who are covering themselves. Deep down they know the issue legitimate and once it hits the fan they’ll get in line.


48 posted on 08/02/2009 10:33:46 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: airborne
Or a lot of people will be made to look like fools.

If Obama reveals his BC, he'll look like an arrogant, vindictive ass for making people look like fools.

49 posted on 08/03/2009 12:55:25 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: TheThinker
If Obama reveals his BC, he'll look like an arrogant, vindictive ass for making people look like fools.

Do you really think the media will spin it that way? Even some on the right are currently brushing this off. Do you think they'd suddenly take your point of view if he produced a BC? I don't.

50 posted on 08/03/2009 1:58:06 AM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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