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And now for a world government
Financial Times ^ | December 8 2008 | Gideon Rachman

Posted on 08/02/2009 7:44:04 PM PDT by george76

I have never believed that there is a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I have never seen black helicopters hovering in the sky above Montana. But, for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible.

A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations. It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws.

Geoffrey Blainey, an eminent Australian historian, has written: “For the first time in human history, world government of some sort is now possible.”

Barack Obama... In his book, The Audacity of Hope, he argued that: “When the world’s sole superpower willingly restrains its power and abides by internationally agreed-upon standards of conduct, it sends a message that these are rules worth following.”

The importance that Mr Obama attaches to the UN is shown by the fact that he has appointed Susan Rice, one of his closest aides, as America’s ambassador to the UN, and given her a seat in the cabinet.

A taste of the ideas doing the rounds in Obama circles is offered by a recent report from the Managing Global Insecurity project, whose small US advisory group includes John Podesta... Strobe Talbott, the president of the Brookings Institution, from which Ms Rice has just emerged.

The MGI report argues for the creation of a UN high commissioner for ...

These are the kind of ideas that get people reaching for their rifles in America’s talk-radio heartland. Aware of the political sensitivity of its ideas, the MGI report opts for soothing language.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bho44; globalism; nwo; podesta; strobetalbott; unitednations; worldgovernment
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1 posted on 08/02/2009 7:44:04 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76
it's not only plausible, it's inevitable.

societies have always needed government (ask the founders) and, frankly, like it or not, the village really is global, thanks to technology.

2 posted on 08/02/2009 7:45:57 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
it's not only plausible, it's inevitable.

Disagree. Ideology and religion will (thankfully) prevent that.

3 posted on 08/02/2009 7:49:19 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: george76

I am not saying they are NWO helicopters, but I can tell you I have seen black helicopters with either no lettering or next to nothing markings on them flying over my area within the last few years.


4 posted on 08/02/2009 7:52:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: buccaneer81
Disagree. Ideology and religion will (thankfully) prevent that.

Interesting wrinkle, but it doesn't refute the premise of a global village needing a global government -- it only complicates it.

5 posted on 08/02/2009 7:52:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: george76

And Islam will be its offical religion. Just watch.


6 posted on 08/02/2009 7:55:11 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

We are in a flyway where military helicopters fly often, usually training in formation flying. Remember that most of good ol’ USA helicopters are dark to black with subdued markings that are impossible to see from any distance. Don’t be too paranoid but cautious is always prudent...


7 posted on 08/02/2009 7:57:14 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: the invisib1e hand
but it doesn't refute the premise of a global village needing a global government

You can't really believe that.

8 posted on 08/02/2009 8:01:20 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: brushcop

I refuse to take anyone seriously who doesn’t know how to spell cooperation.


9 posted on 08/02/2009 8:01:53 PM PDT by mommyq
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To: buccaneer81; the invisib1e hand
I agree with The Invisible Hand, world government is inevitable but whether or not it is desirable depends on the nature of that government and the method by which it is derived.

There is a huge difference between the way the American Constitution was adopted and the way the elite ruling class in Europe is attempting to impose a super government on Europe. The American founders drafted a document which was designed to restrain government and empower the individual and to protect him from the very government being created. The constitution of the European Union, a bloated document of hundreds of pages, is designed to enable liberals to behave like liberals which is to commit government wherever they see an itch that they think needs scratching.

The author of this article describes the process in Europe:

But this “problem” also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance will be slow sledding. Even in the EU – the heartland of law-based international government – the idea remains unpopular. The EU has suffered a series of humiliating defeats in referendums, when plans for “ever closer union” have been referred to the voters. In general, the Union has progressed fastest when far-reaching deals have been agreed by technocrats and politicians – and then pushed through without direct reference to the voters. International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic.


10 posted on 08/02/2009 8:02:22 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: george76

Laughable.

Urban city councils/school districts can’t get along. In fact they fight like children. What makes anyone think “diverse” nations/ethnicities/religions/cultures/economies can manage ANYTHING as “one”?

They can’t, won’t, ain’t gonna happen, never will.


11 posted on 08/02/2009 8:03:19 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: buccaneer81
You can't really believe that.

As I said, it's inevitable, wired into the social (and fallen) nature of humans.

12 posted on 08/02/2009 8:04:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Give me a break, and our founding fathers warned us about this kind of ideology.


13 posted on 08/02/2009 8:04:46 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: nathanbedford
I agree with The Invisible Hand, world government is inevitable

If there aren't 200+ stars on the United States flag, I want no part of it.

14 posted on 08/02/2009 8:06:11 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

What are you? A liberal UN NWO type?


15 posted on 08/02/2009 8:06:29 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Excellent post. Spot on.


17 posted on 08/02/2009 8:08:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Kackikat
Give me a break, and our founding fathers warned us about this kind of ideology.

Our founders created a government. Why, to pass the time?

If they wanted to undue a unjust government, they could have just revolted and smoked pot on the beach instead of enduring the arduous process of forming the Constitution, and taking upon themselves the duty, the unpleasant responsibility, of government.

They did it because...communities (large, small, local, global) must be organized. Sorry for that unfortunate choice of words, there. This is no endorsement of either global government or community organizers.

18 posted on 08/02/2009 8:09:11 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I see them all the time also, but then, of course, I am less than 2 miles from the Apache factory!.


19 posted on 08/02/2009 8:10:06 PM PDT by charmedone (There is a right to health care but no right to be born?)
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To: Kackikat
What are you? A liberal UN NWO type?

man, you figgered me out right quick.

20 posted on 08/02/2009 8:10:13 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: charmedone
Will our military fire on civilians?

As long as they're Obama's people out actively fighting against the Constitution and our way of life, I'm cool with the military doing what needs to be done.

21 posted on 08/02/2009 8:10:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“They can’t, won’t, ain’t gonna happen, never will.”

Never deny the power of a heavy handed government!


23 posted on 08/02/2009 8:12:28 PM PDT by charmedone (There is a right to health care but no right to be born?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It came across as an endorsement, and since you have been here since 2003, it seemed out of place.


24 posted on 08/02/2009 8:13:05 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: nathanbedford

We were not created to be a democracy, but a republic.


25 posted on 08/02/2009 8:14:53 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: the invisib1e hand

“They did it because...communities (large, small, local, global) must be organized.”

They set it up to be, as Glenn Beck put it, just this side of anarchy. Basically to give access to national defense and a court system. Not this abomination we have now.


26 posted on 08/02/2009 8:17:28 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Kackikat
1998 under various and sundry incarnations. do you want to see my papers?

Imagine if all the world were like what the founders envisioned -- that wouldn't be bad, would it? It would be global government...but of course it would be a long row to hoe to get there, and I expect the Kingdom will come by then.

See, this is the pickle we are in: it is inevitable, even if everything we see tells us it's going to be a disaster. We have to fight the good fight all the more.

27 posted on 08/02/2009 8:20:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: george76

Not only is world government plausible it is probable as it is the prime directive of most of the folks promoted into any sort of political power.


28 posted on 08/02/2009 8:21:18 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

This is true - what I said - at the risk of getting accused of wearing a tin foil hat.


29 posted on 08/02/2009 8:23:02 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: brushcop

I will state that some of them may have very hard to see writing on them, some have appeared to have nothing on them.


30 posted on 08/02/2009 8:23:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Global Government is absurd, and not at all what the “founding fathers” envisioned. They left England, because they had very different ideas about God, worship and freedom.
If you look at various countries, religions, customs and beliefs, then you know ALL could not remain harmonious under a “one size fits all” umbrella. It isn’t possible, and shouldn’t be expected to work.
In fact, when they try to force this... you will see the war to end all wars, and a return of the true Messiah, with the Armies of Heaven behind him, in indestrucable bodies, and that’s why Jesus wins.


31 posted on 08/02/2009 8:27:02 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
In fact, when they try to force this... you will see the war to end all wars, and a return of the true Messiah, with the Armies of Heaven behind him, in indestrucable bodies, and that’s why Jesus wins.

I agree with your conclusion, obviously. But I think the point is being missed.

Why will they try to enforce it, if it's not inevitable?

And if you believe the Revelation, how can you believe the building of a world government isn't inevitable?

32 posted on 08/02/2009 8:29:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: Kackikat

If there is a global government, you can bet the first 50 years of it will be plundering former citizens of the USA for the sake of global equity. Just watch.


33 posted on 08/02/2009 8:30:16 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: Kackikat

Yeah, I think its funny that folks that claim a one-world government is inevitable because of religious aspects don’t take into consideration that what sets off Armageddon is a global conflict.


34 posted on 08/02/2009 8:30:24 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I believe it is inevitable (as in God’s will), however I don’t support it, and will fight it, and hope it’s not in my lifetime! (AKA: We in the US never subscribe to such an event).


36 posted on 08/02/2009 8:50:20 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1
see, this is the funny thing about "conservatives." they either don't see that it makes sense for other countries to have a sound, robust, government; or don't give a rip about other people.

Liberty is either growing or its dying.

37 posted on 08/02/2009 8:52:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“don’t give a rip about other people.”

Why is it my business how other people live their lives? Why is it my business to pay for someone else? Why is it their business to pay for me? I care about me and mine. Its called responsibility. I am not responsible for anyone else. I care for my family and friends. Nothing more.


38 posted on 08/02/2009 8:56:15 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: the invisib1e hand

see, this is the funny thing about “liberals” ...they claim to care about other people...so much so that they are going to tell these other people how to live their lives...voila’! Tyranny...


39 posted on 08/02/2009 9:00:17 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
Why is it my business how other people live their lives? Why is it my business to pay for someone else? Why is it their business to pay for me? I care about me and mine. Its called responsibility. I am not responsible for anyone else. I care for my family and friends. Nothing more.

You a conservative, are ya? Bet you have pictures of the founders hanging on your office wall, right?

So tell me, do you think you'd be able to sit around and say "screw everyone but me" if they didn't sacrifice their fortunes and lives to give you the privilege?

Bet you read the bible, too. You know you're quoting Cain the Murderer when you say, "I ain't my brother's keeper."

And who said anything about "paying" for anything or anyone.

Get some oxygen for that sandpit your head's buried in.

Just freaking OY!

40 posted on 08/02/2009 9:02:03 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: Niteflyr
see, this is the funny thing about “liberals” ...they claim to care about other people...so much so that they are going to tell these other people how to live their lives...voila’! Tyranny...

right. so I guess they win, 'cause no "conservative" will take up the cause, eh?

41 posted on 08/02/2009 9:03:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Nope, no pictures of the founders on my office walls. I work outside in a desert climate. Work 12 hour days. Up at 4 am.

I have not had to sacrifice my fortunes and opportunities to protect myself, but believe we are coming to the point I may have to. And I didn’t say “screw everyone, but me.” I said I take responsibilty for myself and they should for themselves. This life owes no one anything.

Not a big reader of the Bible, though I do believe. Into liberation theology are you?

I get enough oxygen, my simple question to you is, “why am I responsible to others?”


42 posted on 08/02/2009 9:08:45 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: the invisib1e hand
right. so I guess they win, 'cause no "conservative" will take up the cause, eh?

Not saying that...just that there is a fine line between a hand up and a hand out...being "your brother's keeper" to me doesn't mean hobbling your "brother" so they can't do for themselves or forcing your "brother" to live the life you think they ought to live because you think you know better. This applies to individuals or other governments and everything in between.

43 posted on 08/02/2009 9:09:39 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: the invisib1e hand
see, this is the funny thing about "conservatives." they either don't see that it makes sense for other countries to have a sound, robust, government; or don't give a rip about other people.

And who said anything about "paying" for anything or anyone.

Are you referring to a global government scenario, or independent governments of other sovereign countries?

44 posted on 08/02/2009 9:11:04 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
I said I take responsibilty for myself

That is the best gift to a society...just think if everyone did that...


45 posted on 08/02/2009 9:15:07 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: Niteflyr

Thats my only point. Just that people should be responsible for themselves.


46 posted on 08/02/2009 9:16:20 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
Thats my only point. Just that people should be responsible for themselves.

And a great only point it is...:o)

47 posted on 08/02/2009 9:17:46 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you".)
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To: george76; the invisib1e hand

I would hate to think that a world government is inevitable, and I emphatically disagree with that it is desirable.

A government that protects the individual liberty of its citizens and their right to pursue their own happiness, but subject to the rule of law, can only succeed with the consent of the governed. The thirteen colonies that agreed to accept the US Constitution were like - minded about our concept of limited government.

I can’t imagine that Western Europe, to whom it is axiomatic that the government should be responsible for the health, welfare, and employment of their citizens, would accept our system. On the contrary, our Northeastern and West Coast States are becoming more like Europe. But then try to imagine the Muslim World, or India or China voluntarily agreeing to accept European multiculturalism.

The only way we’ll get a world government would be for it to be forcibly established. This would have to start with dissent being obliterated in the U.S. (probably by our own federal government) in States that insist retaining our traditional limitations on government power.

A “Social Democrat” government will inevitably become a dictatorship. Free speech is already being attacked as “hate speech” the Europe and Canada and by the Socialist left in the US when it gets in the way of the “reforms” of those in power. The Constitution has become a historical curiosity to our judiciary. And the assault on our property rights in recent years has been an embarrassment even to some of those on the left.


48 posted on 08/02/2009 9:55:41 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: nathanbedford
Applying world government here will be a tumultuous affair. I understate that premise I'm sure.
49 posted on 08/02/2009 10:52:58 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (f)
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To: Atchafalaya

“Applying world government here will be a tumultuous affair.”

I agree there will be no complete world government as long as there are true God fearing, US Constitution loving patriots! Destroy the Constitution and it’s defenders and you might have something.


50 posted on 08/02/2009 11:28:34 PM PDT by timetostand
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