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The right bails on Birthers
SALON.COM ^ | 7/28/09 | Alex Koppelman

Posted on 08/03/2009 7:41:07 AM PDT by jdoug666

What has the world come to when Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly represent the rational side of the Republican Party?

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: certifigate; obama; pravdamedia; releasethebc; salon
I heard Malkin today on Gallagher's show promoting her book on corruption. What is more corrupt than usurping the Constitution? To her credit, she was more circumspect on Birthgate (not her 'issue') than in her column last December (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right)
1 posted on 08/03/2009 7:41:09 AM PDT by jdoug666
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To: jdoug666

I think Arianna-style sell outs are sucking up to O because of the Fairness Doctrine threat. That will come if teh Kenyan wins on healthcare.


2 posted on 08/03/2009 7:44:08 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: jdoug666

There is definitely something Obama is hiding. What it is, I don’t know.

Even if it has nothing to do with the eligibility issue, I think it’s clear that he has lied about something fundamental in his “compelling biography.”

It may be foolish to assert that Obama is not a natural-born citizen. time will etll.

I think it is at least as foolish to assert that there is no controversy about his background whatsoever.


3 posted on 08/03/2009 7:47:15 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: cvq3842

etll = tell


4 posted on 08/03/2009 7:47:40 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: jdoug666

that would be true if you considered O’Rielly to be on the right which he is not.


5 posted on 08/03/2009 7:49:54 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: jdoug666

Rational side? I want BHO to come clean and show us the records he’s been hiding. Sorry, Salon, if that seems irrational.


6 posted on 08/03/2009 7:50:37 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: jdoug666

Common Michelle, he admits to being a dual citizen. That should be enough, but of course, we don’t have many real men on the court anymore.


7 posted on 08/03/2009 7:51:56 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: jdoug666

So demanding the transparency he promised is irrational?


8 posted on 08/03/2009 7:52:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: jdoug666

“What has the world come to when Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly represent the rational side of the Republican Party?”

What has the world come to when Franken is a US senator?


9 posted on 08/03/2009 7:52:42 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: jdoug666
If Malkin doesn't want to make the BC her issue, that's fine with me. As far as I can see, she's not putting the issue down. Ann Coulter, on the other hand, really surprises me.

The Birthers are looking for the truth, and are trying to ensure that the Constitution is followed. How can a Conservative oppose that?

10 posted on 08/03/2009 7:53:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: jdoug666
Bill O'Reilly represent the rational side of the Republican Party

I though O'Lielly was an "independent". Isn't he always maintaining that facade when he attacks conservatives?
11 posted on 08/03/2009 7:54:37 AM PDT by Rodebrecht (</government>)
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To: Genoa

If this situation existed with a Republican President, do you think Salon’s position would be the same??


12 posted on 08/03/2009 7:54:55 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: ClearCase_guy
If Malkin doesn't want to make the BC her issue, that's fine with me.

Same here. There are a lot of people trying to start fights among the right and I try to ignore them. In fact there are a few FReepers who are trying to promote those fights.
13 posted on 08/03/2009 7:56:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: 70th Division

O’Rielly claims to have seen the birth certificate, but, has failed to prove he has seen it or to produce it.


14 posted on 08/03/2009 7:57:41 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Idiotcracy has arrived 400 years early.)
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To: jdoug666

The B/C issue isn’t about Coulter, O’Reilly, or the GOP. It’s about Barry being honest and open with We the People, which he is not on so many levels.


15 posted on 08/03/2009 7:58:10 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Frantzie
Classic case of good cop/bad cop.
Good cop = Coulter
Bad cop = birthers

See “Lethal Weapon” for refresher.

16 posted on 08/03/2009 7:59:01 AM PDT by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: Rational Thought
If this situation existed with a Republican President, do you think Salon’s position would be the same??

They did write some pretty scathing pieces on 9/11 truthers. I also remember some comics that skewered them fairly well. I think that counts since a lot of the 9/11 truthers were after Bush.
17 posted on 08/03/2009 8:00:21 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: jdoug666

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


18 posted on 08/03/2009 8:04:39 AM PDT by Dryman (Now, Back to Lurking)
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To: depressed in 06

Yup as they say in Texas, “All Hat and No Cows.”


19 posted on 08/03/2009 8:05:02 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: jdoug666

They are hedging their bets in case it’s hocum - don’t blame them - but no reason why the rest of us can’t keep going...


20 posted on 08/03/2009 8:21:42 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: TomOnTheRun
I think a better indication would be with how Salon dealt with President Bush's military service. They tried and convicted him even after the Bush Guard documents were proved forgeries.
21 posted on 08/03/2009 8:31:46 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: jdoug666

Only an idiot would quote Salon.com.


22 posted on 08/03/2009 8:34:24 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama's lies make Bill Clinton's lie small)
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To: Rational Thought
I think a better indication would be with how Salon dealt with President Bush's military service.

I can't speak to that. I'm not actually a subscriber to their site and didn't read that series. I only see articles that are passed along to me.

That being said - I think birthers to truthers is a fairly apt comparison. The vast majority of birthers appear to be republican - The vast majority of truthers appear to be democrats - in both cases the vast majority of people don't think either group knows what they are talking about. Salon seems to hold both groups in equal contempt from what I've seen.
23 posted on 08/03/2009 8:39:24 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: ClearCase_guy

Coulter surprised me too.

As for Ted Baxter, well I don’t give much thought to his moronic opinions.

If he would just stick to hassling corrupt judges & politicians, he’d be bearable.


24 posted on 08/03/2009 8:41:01 AM PDT by jazminerose
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Al Franken was selected, not elected.

There was an inconsistent standard applied to the ballots of the two candidates. The courts and panel stole the election. For reals.


25 posted on 08/03/2009 8:54:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: jazminerose

I think that she wants to pick her battles.

And I don’t allege that his has a foreign birth certificate.

I do point out that he has not produced a birth certificate, despite the lies of the mediaheads who say that a COLB is a birth certificate (they now acknowledge it isn’t).

Trust me isn’t in my vocabulary when it comes to politicians. He’s already renegging on his promise to not raise taxes on anyone earning under $250,000.

Release the Birth Certificate. Transparency and all that jazz.


26 posted on 08/03/2009 8:57:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: cvq3842

I am absolutely positive that Obama has lied and covered up his past, with the aid of the mainstream media.

However, I really don’t see the evidence that he was born in Kenya. And the posts who claim to know the difference between citizen and natural-born citizen really don’t know what they’re talking about. The best that they can do is point to a dissenting opinion in the Wong Kim Ark case.

While there certainly are questions, like the school enrollment form that lists his citizenship as Indonesian, the media has already limited this discussion to “birthers.”

Obama’s poll numbers are falling. People are mad as hell about socialized healthcare. They don’t think that he has done a good job with the economy.

By pursuing birtherism, we have already let the Dems and media define the battleground for us. Obama is not weak on this issue. I’m as much of a constitutionalist as anyone on FR, but we have to pick the battles where we have an advantage.

We’re not going to get anywhere with the idea that he was born outside of the United States, regardless of where he was born. I don’t care whether you like what I just wrote, it’s a fact. We will, however, get a lot of traction on hot-button issues like socialized medicine, taxes, cap and trade, the failed stimulus, and out-of-control spending.


27 posted on 08/03/2009 9:01:14 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: ClearCase_guy
-- Ann Coulter, on the other hand, really surprises me. --

I see it as equal opportunity bombast on her part. It may be that she hasn't considered the fact that Obama has dual citizenship; and just goes along with "born on US soil, good to go" because that's been black-letter law for over 100 years.

28 posted on 08/03/2009 9:15:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t know the details, but based on what I have seen and read this would certainly be plausible. In blue states, analogous to baseball in which the ‘tie goes to the runner’, in close elections the nod goes to the democrat.


29 posted on 08/03/2009 9:19:44 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Frantzie

Good insight! They’re protecting their ass with the powers that be. BOR thinks his rating are so high, that he is king of the air waves, but they are threatening to take that away — so the ratings then becomes his weak spot. Anne needs the MSM to sell her books. She was threaten to be banned before on NBC. If health care goes through it will embolden Obama. And there will be change...


30 posted on 08/03/2009 9:31:29 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

There are a number of the disputed ballots online.


31 posted on 08/03/2009 9:35:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: DallasMike

Interesting points. thanks.


32 posted on 08/03/2009 10:02:43 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: jdoug666

“IF OBAMA HAD A BIRTH CERTIFICATE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW!”
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No, not necessarily so–IMO, I think hussein is in a position to produce any document he chooses and that it would be far from conclusively challenged!
Just a game he’s playing, and sure to win on his terms, regardless of where/when he may have been born, etc.


33 posted on 08/03/2009 10:22:11 AM PDT by gunnyg (Just Plain Dick)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hardly a surprise, AC is a Slick Willardbot. She jumped the shark as a Conservative.


34 posted on 08/03/2009 10:59:42 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: cvq3842
Even if it has nothing to do with the eligibility issue, I think it’s clear that he has lied about something fundamental in his “compelling biography.”

Yes, he's lied about a bunch of things. Being born in Hawaii is not one of them.

Unfortunately, by conflating the two issues (his eligibility and lack of disclosure), the Birther loons taint those of us with legitimate questions about his biography and lack of transparency.

35 posted on 08/03/2009 11:43:41 AM PDT by curiosity
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