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Jobless NYC woman sues college for $70K in tuition
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090803/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_jobless_grad_sues ^ | August 2, 2009

Posted on 08/03/2009 7:42:38 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

NEW YORK – A New York City woman who says she can't find a job is suing the college where she earned a bachelor's degree.

Trina Thompson filed a lawsuit last week against Monroe College in Bronx Supreme Court. The 27-year-old is seeking the $70,000 she spent on tuition.

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Does Monroe have a doctrine?
1 posted on 08/03/2009 7:42:40 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I think I'll tell my friend who lost everything when his restaurants failed the sue the property owner for the 2 million dollars in rent he paid him over the years. Now what's the name of that lawyer?
2 posted on 08/03/2009 7:47:28 AM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I think I’ll sue this woman fore being an idiot!


3 posted on 08/03/2009 7:48:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

“Information technology?” Gee, sure is a wonder that she can’t find employment, ain’t it? I mean, don’t they teach you that telephones let you CALL people and stuff like that?


4 posted on 08/03/2009 7:48:43 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

The college is certainly liable for something...they conferred a degree upon her and she is obviously an idiot!


5 posted on 08/03/2009 7:50:01 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Her first mistake was to spend $70K on degree from a university in the Bronx.


6 posted on 08/03/2009 7:50:08 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I want to keep track of this name, because I would never hire this woman for anything!

She’s proven that she will sue at the drop of a hat.


7 posted on 08/03/2009 7:51:16 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I’d love to see her win and open the floodgates to having every dead-end college burnout suing universities out of existence. Won’t happen, but it’d be fun to watch.


8 posted on 08/03/2009 7:52:02 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

A very ignorant desire IMHO.


9 posted on 08/03/2009 7:57:36 AM PDT by twigs
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Indeed, a win would be a fun thing!

All schools would have to lawyer proof everything in site, with special spells and amulets to ward off the hoards of lawyers that would descend from their covens; to wit, every test, graded-homework assignment, diploma, etc. would have to be stamped with:

"Warning: This diploma (test result, etc.) does not guarantee a job."

10 posted on 08/03/2009 8:01:26 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Damn, I cannot for the life of me figger out how someone with a degree in “Information technology?” from a prestigious school like Monroe College is have trouble getting a job.


11 posted on 08/03/2009 8:03:56 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: Tupelo

She’s a Zero supporter through and through...


12 posted on 08/03/2009 8:08:23 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: Tupelo

And why they would pay $70k for it.


13 posted on 08/03/2009 8:08:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

This suit is ridiculous, of course, but the truth is that many institutions of higher learning do very little to prepare students for the work world.

They’re happy to collect thousands of dollars for mostly meaningless academic courses (especially in the liberal arts department) that often have very little relevance to a vocation or the business world.


14 posted on 08/03/2009 8:09:08 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Can we trade in the clunker we have in the White House?)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Yes, I think it’s, “Time for an attitude adjustment.” She is due for a class in charm from Gunny R. Lee Ermey.


15 posted on 08/03/2009 8:10:06 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
She should sue the BO administration that she voted for. She's been hurt by him being a non-citizen with no allegiance to the USA and it's economy. There, I solved her dilemna!/s

The plus is he can't get her fired like he did w/Cook.
16 posted on 08/03/2009 8:10:53 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: twigs

Ignorant of what? All the good universities have done for this country? They’re leftists indoctrination factories and their demise would be a great thing for this country.


17 posted on 08/03/2009 8:11:22 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
A good friend of my Son's went to UTI, spent $50,000 on an education in mechanics, got all sorts of promises that he'd land a high-paying gig as soon as he was out of college. This guy's as smart as a whip and can fix anything blindfolded, but he has never been able to find a job anywhere near the salary they promised. He now works at a cartridge refill company making more money than he did as a mechanic.

That said, however, suing the college for reimbursement of tuition is ridiculous.

18 posted on 08/03/2009 8:18:34 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Impeach the sumbeech)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Don't jump me for saying this, but pause and think about it. I hope she wins as well. This cuts to the core of our current American society. Just like I think a Bank's shareholders should sue their executives and loan officers for lending to less than qualified borrowers, parents or students should be able to sue Universities for failing to provide an education that led to lucrative employment. The bottom line is this...if everyone’s credit scores and college entrance scores are exceptional then everyone is really just average or should I say, adequate. This girl IS an idiot, but along the way, her parents told her she could do/be anything, and a “nice” high school adviser told her she had what it takes to go to college, and a liberal college admissions office let her in and somewhere a loan officer managing college loans or grants loaned her the money to pay for it. And so on and so forth, making it sooo easy for every mediocre highschool burnout to go to college. At this rate, we will end up with doctors that don't know medicine or some Ivy League Graduate as President who is actually just a mediocre empty suited idiot. ...just saying.
19 posted on 08/03/2009 8:18:56 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

These diploma mills are a joke and they exploit naive people like the UTI example you mentioned. State and private “esteemed” universities pushing crap like women’s studies and other joke degrees are just as bad.

My guess is this lady in the Bronx voted for hope & change and businesses fired people and stopped hiring as soon as the marxist was elected.


20 posted on 08/03/2009 8:21:57 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Oldpuppymax; Tupelo
According to the college's website, here's what she would've studied.

Yes, this lawsuit is silly, but is a degree in IT so worthless? An IT major appears to combine programming with business. I don't know; I'm just asking an honest question. I've been out of college for a long time, and within the next few years, my own children should be starting college.

21 posted on 08/03/2009 8:22:28 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: presently no screen name

He’d have her and a rep from the college sit down for a beer. /sarc.


22 posted on 08/03/2009 8:24:25 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09".... um, what happened?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
but the truth is that many institutions of higher learning do very little to prepare students for the work world.

How TRUE! The professors in my computer science master's program mentioned that they had complaints from industry that the graduates often were totally clueless about actual commercial systems and operations. It mostly proves one can learn, I guess.

23 posted on 08/03/2009 8:26:08 AM PDT by Huebolt (Kill the boomers quickly and cheaply = O BUMMER CARE "take the pain medication")
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To: mefistofelerevised

actually this makes legal sense.

remember student loans get SPECIAL favor in bankruptcy.

ALL universities sell students on the notion that just having ANY degree will mean more money and better jobs as an automaic.

This woman is suing on that misrepresentation.

Also remember Universities DO NOT COMPETE IN THE FREE MARKET, they are subsidized by the fact that loans are unforgivable AND government guarantee student loans. They don’t have to lower prices to reflect the decrease in value of degrees.

FINALLY, keep in mind that most degrees these days are worthless fluff. Gone are the well rounded individual with a foundation in the classics of thought and fundamentals of science and mathematics.

I hope she wins and universities start to jeteson the “pc” subjects that do not ad value to degrees.


24 posted on 08/03/2009 8:27:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sniper63

I bet you’re right on the money with that—she’s proably a flaming lib who desn’t understand why her “illustrious,” “amazing,” or “infinite” self and presence isn’t worth a couple of hudred thou a year.
(Those adjectives are/were used by lefty bloggers and posters).
There’s not a shortage of self esteem for the esteemless these days.


25 posted on 08/03/2009 8:28:23 AM PDT by BamaAndy
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It’s a silly lawsuit, but then again, colleges have been so busy indoctrinating instead of teaching, maybe they should be taught a lesson... lol.


26 posted on 08/03/2009 8:28:46 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
According to the college's website, here's what she would've studied.

All these jobs are out-sourced to India and China. We are now the third world.

27 posted on 08/03/2009 8:29:37 AM PDT by Huebolt (Kill the boomers quickly and cheaply = O BUMMER CARE "take the pain medication")
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To: Tired of Taxes
Yes, this lawsuit is silly, but is a degree in IT so worthless? An IT major appears to combine programming with business. I don't know; I'm just asking an honest question. I've been out of college for a long time, and within the next few years, my own children should be starting college.

I have other questions: (1) How restrictive is her search - what is she selling herself as? where is she willing to go?, etc. (2) Does she just have the degree or can she boast some good job experience? The son-in-law parlayed internship with Harris into a great 10-year hitch as a computer engineer. His current employer is into nav and sonar and such.

28 posted on 08/03/2009 8:31:41 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: catnipman

actually the LAW SCHOOLS would be the first to be sued.

You have new law schools opening up EACH YEAR. not a joke.

There are now MORE FIRST YEAR SEATS than there are APPLICANTS.

ANYBODY with a four year degree can obtain a law degree from an accredited law school SOMEWHERE in the USA.

The law schools keep selling the same “there is always room for more lawyers”.

Perhaps we should ENCOURAGE lawyers to sue these law schools.


29 posted on 08/03/2009 8:32:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Note to all HR Depts of employers in the Tri-State area: you do not want to hire anyone named Trina Thompson!


30 posted on 08/03/2009 8:32:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Note to all HR Depts of employers in the Tri-State area: you do not want to hire anyone named Trina Thompson!


31 posted on 08/03/2009 8:32:50 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Yup unfortunately this grad has no resume


32 posted on 08/03/2009 8:43:24 AM PDT by the long march
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To: John.Galt2012
This girl IS an idiot, but along the way, her parents told her she could do/be anything, and a “nice” high school adviser told her she had what it takes to go to college, and a liberal college admissions office let her in and somewhere a loan officer managing college loans or grants loaned her the money to pay for it.

Yes she is, along with MANY of the kids who are herded into college and saddled with years of debt unnecessarily. College loan officers are some of the biggest "predatory" lenders in the country. Most of these kids have no business being in secondary schools -- but we've romanticized the idea of the University to the point where every parent desperately wants to believe their precious children belong there. Some of them belong in trade schools, some of them belong in the work force. Not everybody is cut out for college, not everybody gets something useful out of it. The sooner we understand that and stop stigmatizing other options and paths, the better off we'll be.

33 posted on 08/03/2009 8:55:27 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Thompson says she's been unable to find gainful employment since she received her information technology degree in April.

I think India is hiring.

Seriously, if the school "guaranteed" they would help her find a job after she graduated, she may have a valid point. It wouldn't be MY first choice of things to do, but could be worth watching to see how this turns out.

34 posted on 08/03/2009 8:55:53 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

To all:

Remembering the general trustworthiness and thoroughness of the media, don’t be too quick to judge on this case. The plaintiff might very well have a point if the school made specific promises or guarantees that it failed to follow through on.

Mind you, I doubt that they would have made guarantees without wiggle room built into them, but the simple fact is that we just don’t know. From the article she is claiming that the school has not followed through on promised services in job placement and counseling. The school, of course, denies it. But we aren’t privy to enough facts to know whom to believe.


35 posted on 08/03/2009 8:56:07 AM PDT by kevkrom (Obama: Stuck on "Stupidly")
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To: pgkdan

The other problem with this degree is that this is something that should really be taught at a technical school/through an apprenticeship, which usually have to worry about things like whether their graduates can go anywhere with this.


36 posted on 08/03/2009 8:59:59 AM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: John.Galt2012

I agree with the first few lines in your post, but I do believe almost everyone can do anything with some effort. Apparently, she earned the degree. I don’t know how worthwhile a degree from this particular college is. But, even a degree from an Ivy League university doesn’t guarantee a job. The degree is just a sheepskin. It doesn’t guarantee the degree-holder can sell himself/herself in an interview or that the student will make a good employee, no matter how brilliant that student might’ve been.

One of my employers had to review 200 resumes for a position once. The position was identical to the position I was holding, and I had nothing more than an associates from a community college. (I’d worked my way into the position.) Yet, most of the resumes we received were from applicants with bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Ivy League universities. My boss was notoriously mean to the core, and he was laughing at those resumes. One was so funny that I myself still joke about it today, 20 years later, and this applicant claimed to have a master’s from the University of Pennsylvania. My boss trashed most of them, so their resumes couldn’t even get them to the interview process, even with those degrees. A few were invited for interviews, but they just didn’t sell themselves well. He did hire someone finally, and she did have a degree from an Ivy League university, but she had written a decent resume and sold herself in the interview.

So, no matter how many thousands a person spends in education, there are other factors at play.


37 posted on 08/03/2009 9:00:07 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

It’s absolutely silly, and the girl’s an idiot. She never should have been in the school in the first place. If they wanted to indoctrinate her into their warped, ass-backwards concept of right and wrong, mission accomplished. They’ve created their own monster and I hope she burns them.


38 posted on 08/03/2009 9:06:38 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: All

My prediction is this will be settled out of court. No matter how ridiculous the lawsuit is, this is very bad publicity for this college. Think about it, if you were in the final year of high school and applying to universities, would you apply to a college which is known for having its grads not being able to find jobs?


39 posted on 08/03/2009 9:13:47 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

They’re not all leftist. I’m very grateful for my education.


40 posted on 08/03/2009 9:18:41 AM PDT by twigs
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

A common mistake.

One attends college to acquire an education.
Job training is another story altogether.


41 posted on 08/03/2009 9:24:36 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: twigs

I attended Florida Atlantic and Temple Universities. I wish I could have every minute and every dime I wasted back. They were both dominated by activist leftists... so much so that I became one and remained one for years.


42 posted on 08/03/2009 9:26:43 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Two thoughts:
First, in this economy there are many IT people looking for jobs that have both experience and degrees from better known institutions than Monroe College. She needs to hunker down and get her foot in the door doing something responsible to be prepared when (and if) the economy bounces back.
Second, I’m really tired of people taking shots at the liberal arts. In many institutions the “liberal arts” major has come to be a general studies program that allows students to assemble a cafeteria plan of unrelated classes. Originally, the liberal arts were basic education for free citizens. It is supposed to be (and still can be) a broad education that emphasizes the finest thought of our civilization. Young people need to appreciate the value of civilization and the role that civic virtue plays in preserving it. In my heart I really do believe that if every one of our college graduates had read Thucydides, Livy, Machiavelli, and Locke, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in.


43 posted on 08/03/2009 9:32:37 AM PDT by Good Ag
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To: longtermmemmory

Yes, the special favor in bankruptcy is that student loans are non dischargable.


44 posted on 08/03/2009 9:46:01 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Yes, this lawsuit is silly, but is a degree in IT so worthless? An IT major appears to combine programming with business. I don't know; I'm just asking an honest question. I've been out of college for a long time, and within the next few years, my own children should be starting college.

This is where four-year degree programs differentiate themselves from these two-year certificates. Nowhere on her curriculum are courses that demonstrate proficiency in communications' skills--no English, business writing, etc.; there are programming courses, but no courses in math or logic.

There are also very specific technologies referenced in her coursework: Oracle and Cisco. This is OK, those are very widely-used throughout industry. But what if a potential employer is a SQL Server shop? My point is, sometimes it's better to be more of a generalist--you understand the concepts and can apply them just about anywhere.

Just a few observations. But I do agree with many of the other posters - there's more to this story than a woman who has a degree, but no job offers. Maybe she has no communication skills, and is a poor interviewer. Whose fault is that? Maybe she's received offers, but is unwilling to relocate, or won't accept less than an ideal salary and benefits.

45 posted on 08/03/2009 9:50:55 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Tired of Taxes

Forgive my cynicism. I am sure there is much more to this story than what we are seeing, but I just get a little irritated when I see this kind of thing. My nephews are graduating right now and though one of them is quite bright and had good grades all through college, it will be the one that’s graduating from trade school having learned how to weld every kind of metal and use a dozen different welders that I will probably see go on to a successful career. I was going through some of my father’s things this summer and found a box with a 300+ page Master’s and his even longer Doctoral Dissertation. Both typed by hand, in triplicate by my Mom with zero errors. Now days, these colleges give away Master’s for a 50 page thesis and dissertationless PhDs and it makes me sad to think how low our University Systems have sunk so they can make more money and focus on Liberalism and Collectivist Indoctination.


46 posted on 08/03/2009 10:33:59 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Well, an IT degree isn’t worthless ... but look at the courses that she’s taken - this is little more than an introduction to a number of computing-related topics.

I work as an IT senior consultant in a large chemical company (my educational background is engineering). We have rather few IT degrees in our IT department - mostly they get out of IT or wind up in management (one of my ex-bosses had an IT degree). Generally, they’re not prepared to compete with Computer Science majors in programming or other highly technical aspects of computing.

My son has a BS/MS in Computer Science from two highly rated colleges. While his more advanced math classes were in different subjects than mine, he took just as much math as I did in an engineering curriculum. Much of it looked downright difficult, too.

My son took the software route and my daughter, the electrical engineer, took the hardware route. Those are both rather HARD compared to an IT undergrad and much more specialized - but the employment possibilites are different as night and day.


47 posted on 08/03/2009 10:40:41 AM PDT by cheee (Flee from Evil ... and don't leave a forwarding address...)
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To: longtermmemmory

It makes no sense at all unless the college gauranteed her a job. Who is going to want to give her a job now. Nodody!


48 posted on 08/03/2009 11:46:42 AM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I work in IT (I'm an IT Manager). Like any field, there are people who can solve a problem in seconds because it comes as second nature for them. I used to be a mechanic and that too was second nature to me. I've know people who went to schools to become mechanics or IT pros who couldn't troubleshoot jack. Now just because you want a job in IT, is it really your gig, or any other job for that matter? I could never be a social worker and I know that.

She would have been better off getting industry certs like MCSEs and/or Cisco's line of certs, these are what we look for. A degree is great but we want someone who can hit the ground running and I would trust a CCNP over a recently received sheepskin.

I don't know what she's looking for but you don't get to be CIO as your first job. After you've paid your dues, funny how people don't understand that concept; they think someone who busted their butt is going to let someone walk in without some experience, then the degree will matter. Keeping up with the cert chase is also good in the IT world unless you become a manager like me (after 15 years as a Sr. Network Engineer and many many days working 12 hour days for salary). Get some successful projects under your belt and you go far. Sit and reset passwords all day without any ambition to rise higher also is noticed.

49 posted on 08/03/2009 12:51:12 PM PDT by Lx
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To: Lou L

From the Monroe College website on the IT major:

“Courses will provide graduates with the management, team-building, communication, critical-thinking, and technical skills needed to keep current with ongoing and rapid advances in technology and will make them eligible to explore a varied array of career choices. These career options will include: system analysis, database administration, security analysis, network operations, web technologies, and application development and design.”

It’s a survey degree that qualifies one to be a trainee in any of the specific paths. Additional training in Cisco, Oracle, or Microsoft (all available for a very small fraction of her investment in college tuition) would give her the boost that would get my attention were I again a hiring manager. Sadly she may need a name change in order to get hired by anyone who reads the news.

Agreed that there is more to the story here. One of the best things the career center could have done for her is teach her to interview.


50 posted on 08/03/2009 1:48:01 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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