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Kenya BC a fraud? Template of forgery found?
freerepublic.com ^ | August 3, 2009 | don-o

Posted on 08/03/2009 5:14:43 PM PDT by don-o

Document from Australia

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Document from Kenya

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KEYWORDS: article2section1; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; citizenship; disinformation; eligibility; forgery; fraud; hawaii; honolulu; ineligible; kenya; mombasa; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; orly; orlytaitz; taitz; usurper
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The document from Australia was introduced in the thread in my header.
1 posted on 08/03/2009 5:14:43 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

That would appear to be a similar layout but who is to say the Bomford wasn’t thrown together based on the Mombasa template?


2 posted on 08/03/2009 5:16:40 PM PDT by omega4179 ((/) Happened)
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To: don-o

uh-oh.


3 posted on 08/03/2009 5:16:47 PM PDT by Third Person (Why does it hurt so bad?)
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To: don-o

IMHO, the obamanation execution squad is simply adding distractions.... what a bunch of thugs


4 posted on 08/03/2009 5:16:52 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: don-o

5 posted on 08/03/2009 5:16:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: don-o

most BC’s from both former and at that time current british protectorates had simillar forms..


6 posted on 08/03/2009 5:17:01 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: don-o

Ok... i’m convinced it’s a hoax... time to move on.

I seriously doubt the document exists at all.


7 posted on 08/03/2009 5:20:22 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Americanwolf

And were always recorded in the identical book number on the same page number?

All righty, then.


8 posted on 08/03/2009 5:21:13 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Safrguns

You sure don’t take much to convince! What if the other one is a hoax?


9 posted on 08/03/2009 5:22:36 PM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: don-o

Not the same document (template) Look at the folds, they are not even close to being the same.


10 posted on 08/03/2009 5:22:51 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: don-o

Same birth register book number and same page number as 0’s?

Ballgame.


11 posted on 08/03/2009 5:22:58 PM PDT by Taking Congress back in 2010
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To: Americanwolf
most BC’s from both former and at that time current british protectorates had simillar forms..

Probably true but the Bomford version has the same book and page number reference as the Kenya BC plus some of the names are the same except for the initials. Too much of a coincidence. Either Bomford is a fake or the Kenya BC is a fake. I don't see how you can reach any other conclusion - although I would like to.

12 posted on 08/03/2009 5:23:26 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: don-o

I won’t believe anything unless I see an Area 51 birth certificate.


13 posted on 08/03/2009 5:23:37 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Thrasymachus: justice is whatever is in the interest of the stronger party in a given state)
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To: don-o
And were always recorded in the identical book number on the same page number?

And with another Lavender as Registrar, too!

14 posted on 08/03/2009 5:24:09 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: don-o

The word Father seems to have survived the hard crease in the paper rather well...almost looks like it was laid on top of the crease.


15 posted on 08/03/2009 5:24:25 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: Technical Editor
ping

previous thread

Post 291 (by Technical Editor) of thread is where this thread was extracted.

16 posted on 08/03/2009 5:24:48 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: don-o
So you're saying Obama was born in Australia. ;-)

Good find. So what are the odds Australia and Kenya used similar book numbers and formatting? :) Seems unlikely.

so I guess I'll ask this, how long has this Australian birth notice been on the net? Anyone know the origins and validity of the Australian doc also? (I'm just asking. :-P )

17 posted on 08/03/2009 5:24:48 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: PureSolace

http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg.

Here is the linkage. If you delete the addy back to net, you can see the complete site. It’s a genealogy site.


18 posted on 08/03/2009 5:28:51 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: don-o

Where did this document come from and how was it found?


19 posted on 08/03/2009 5:29:21 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: FTJM

post 16 answers. From post 291 in the current top BN thread.


20 posted on 08/03/2009 5:30:48 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: cabojoe
The word Father seems to have survived the hard crease in the paper rather well...almost looks like it was laid on top of the crease.

I saw the same thing.

21 posted on 08/03/2009 5:31:32 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: don-o

Number of folds is wrong.


22 posted on 08/03/2009 5:31:50 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Jim Robinson

ping


23 posted on 08/03/2009 5:31:50 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: politicalmerc

>>> You sure don’t take much to convince! What if the other one is a hoax?

Lavender doesn’t even sound Kenyan... the newspaper...
the apparent ease of photo-shopping multiple versions...
the whole flap with the attack site...

My interest might be restored with REAL news on the progression of the motion to validate.

The fact that Hawaii refused to validate their own COLB is bigger news to me right now.


24 posted on 08/03/2009 5:33:54 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: ctdonath2

Color is wrong as well. But, the format is identical and they got sloppy in not changing Mr. Lavender’s name and the Book number and page number.


25 posted on 08/03/2009 5:34:01 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Safrguns

I am not saying that it is real or not. I am saying that Dr. Ortiz might have more information than she is releasing. Furthermore I would expect disinformation to come out if it was real. Lavender could very well be an English name or that of a Kenyan with English heritage. I’m just saying PATIENCE. It is either real or it isn’t. There is no need to jump to either conclusion.


26 posted on 08/03/2009 5:36:48 PM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: don-o
The forms are not quite the same. The most glaring difference is the fact that in the main heading, the A and T of "REGISTRATION" are clearly kerned on the "Kenyan" copy, but not at all in the "Australian" copy.

As Moe used to say, "One of us is crazy, and it can't be you!"

27 posted on 08/03/2009 5:38:53 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: ctdonath2
That sure means it isn't the template for the Orly held exhibit. But how would the new exhibit be made from the orly exhibit if the Orly exhibit has three folds and the new exhibit has four?

I have found myself asking 'Whom has the most to gain from putting forth the Orly exhibit if it is a forgery, and whom has the most to gain by bringing forth teh new exhibit if it is a forgery? Then, would Obam benefit from bringing forth a pretty good forgery directing interested parties to keep looking in Kenya for documentation of his supposed birth there?

28 posted on 08/03/2009 5:39:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: don-o

Of course it’s a forgery. Only a moron would latch on to this crap.


29 posted on 08/03/2009 5:39:30 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Paine in the Neck

G.F. could have been the father of E.F . Maybe he retired and his son took over his job ?


30 posted on 08/03/2009 5:39:40 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: don-o

In the same vein, here is a birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu from someone born one day after Obamas’ date of birth:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105365

The birth certificate of Obama, if it exists, should be identical in form and appearance to the one illustrated in the above link. Real typewriters were used in those days with identifiable letter characteristics unique to each typewriter, as with fingerprints.

Some have speculated that Obama never had a real birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital, and, that he actually filed, legally, under Hawaiian law for a certificate in 2006 or 7 using only the single newspaper announcement from 1961 related to his birth at Kapiolani Hospital. Interestingly, a second Honolulu hospital is recorded in another birth announcement for Obama. So, there are two Honolulu hospitals that have newspaper notices referring to Obamas’ birth.


31 posted on 08/03/2009 5:40:54 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: sushiman

My bad - we’re talking Australia and Kenya . I’m losing it !


32 posted on 08/03/2009 5:41:54 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: InterceptPoint

Agreed.

I have no problem with us thinking through a problem and working it out...even when the results aren’t what we might have hoped. But when we find the answer, we need to embrace the truth and walk away.

Obama is hiding something and his minions are setting up all kinds of traps and road blocks for us to fall into. This is just another of their misdirections and does not in anyway change the fact that Obama is hiding something big about himself.

It is our duty to find out exactly what it is, regardless of how tough it might be to do so.


33 posted on 08/03/2009 5:45:11 PM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: politicalmerc

>>> I’m just saying PATIENCE.

Thats all I have left.

All we have is a photo of a copy, and an unknown plaintiff.

I thought I saw in an earlier thread that Keyes was involved in this.... Is he giving any info on it at his site?


34 posted on 08/03/2009 5:45:21 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: sushiman
Maybe he retired and his son took over his job ?

And District Registrar Miller?

36 posted on 08/03/2009 5:54:35 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: don-o

The Australian copy is clearly a fake. The number “2” in the “No.” field at the top would indicate there was only 1 prior copy issued that year in the district.


37 posted on 08/03/2009 5:55:04 PM PDT by Kells
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To: don-o

Thanks. Hmmmm....


38 posted on 08/03/2009 5:56:02 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: Kells
The number “2” in the “No.” field at the top would indicate there was only 1 prior copy issued that year in the district.

Do we know that that's what "No." refers to or are we just assuming it?

39 posted on 08/03/2009 5:57:28 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: FreepShop1

....of course its a forgery...

Finally, a voice of reason instead of people tying themselves in knots trying to prove this crapola is real.

Thanks to FreepShop1


40 posted on 08/03/2009 5:57:56 PM PDT by mono
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To: PureSolace
The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online pissing matches discussing images (especially photographic images) of documents are not worth the electrons.

I'm not arguing that Obama was not born in the United States. But, if I were arguing such a position I would be requesting that the President select a neutral panel of say 3 journalists and 2 (or 3) experienced forensic document examiners and then ask the Governor of Hawaii to unseal the documents for the purpose of an in camera examination, following which a report can be made to the public. That seems like a fair and probably not too expensive way to resolve this question.

At some point, whether Obama and his advisors consider those who argue that he is not a natural citizen to be total kooks, or not, it becomes worth it to clear away this question so, arguably, we can concentrate on what may be more important issues. As it becomes more of a distraction to his administration, it will become even more conspicuous that he does not swat this fly with ease, unless he values embarrassing his detractors more than clearing the air, in which case he may wait for a long time.

I think it would be extremely interesting to see a write-up of the procedural mechanics by which his campaign lawyers sealed these records as well as his academic transcripts. The Federal privacy laws which control access to academic transcripts date back to 1974, but seem to be generally ineffective for most politicians running for office (e.g., G.W. Bush, Dan Quayle, etc.) Somehow, Obama's approach worked. The only question on the transcripts is - was it something overt that the campaign did to maintain or assert the privacy interest or was the passive acquiescence of the media in not publicizing them?

I also find his transfer from Occidental College to Columbia University curious. I'd love to see a frequency analysis of how many students in the 10 years before or 10 years following Obama's entry at Columbia had transferred either from Occidental or a college similar to Occidental after 2 years of undergraduate study. Something tells me it is very uncommon. Like 56-game hitting streak in the major leagues uncommon.

41 posted on 08/03/2009 5:58:38 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: omega4179

More likely is that all UK dominions had a similar form for birth registration.

Although I think the Kenya form is a fake.


42 posted on 08/03/2009 5:59:56 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099

Looks like this is where the Australian angle came in. Now, who is politijab and how did he / she uncover it? Blog says hours of Google searching? Ya think?


43 posted on 08/03/2009 6:01:05 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Americanwolf
most BC’s from both former and at that time current british protectorates had simillar forms..

Australia had been an independent country for almost 55 years before the Obama document was supposedly created. No changes during all that time?

44 posted on 08/03/2009 6:01:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: don-o
FR under attack again by leftist punk trolls

This issue makes me think these folks are still very busy.

45 posted on 08/03/2009 6:01:41 PM PDT by swheats (Time is the greatest equalizer. This isn't a Godless society yet. Be fruitful and multiply.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
The number “2” in the “No.” field at the top would indicate there was only 1 prior copy issued that year in the district.

Do we know that that's what "No." refers to or are we just assuming it?

"No." is obviously an abbreviation for Number--most likely a sequential number since it must be typed.

We are certainly guessing if we assume the Kenyan BC is copied from the Australian BC and not the other way around. The number in the Kenyan "No." field seems more plausible than the number in the Australian "No." field.

46 posted on 08/03/2009 6:05:51 PM PDT by Kells
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To: swheats

Was it something I said?


47 posted on 08/03/2009 6:08:15 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Kells
I perhaps didn't express that well. I know that "No." is an abbreviation for "Number". What I'm asking is if the know what "No." is counting so that we can make sense of whether "2" or "47O44" are reasonable numbers to expect.
48 posted on 08/03/2009 6:11:47 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: don-o

How come father is darker than the other words?


49 posted on 08/03/2009 6:13:01 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: Paine in the Neck

“if the know” should be “if we know”


50 posted on 08/03/2009 6:13:12 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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