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Bush Quietly Saved a Million African Lives (Yet he is being criticized by both the left & the right)
NC Register ^ | 7/31/2009 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 08/04/2009 6:50:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What if a president, on his own initiative, under no demands from staff or from supporters or opponents, set out to spend an unprecedented amount of money on AIDS in Africa, literally billions of dollars, at a time when the nation could not afford it, citing his faith as a primary motivation and, ultimately, saved more than a million lives?

Wouldn’t the story be front-page news, especially in top, liberal newspapers? Wouldn’t it lead on CNN, MSNBC and the “CBS Evening News”? Might statues be erected to the man in the nation’s more “progressive” cities?

What if the president was George W. Bush?

I pose these uncomfortable questions for two reasons: 1) President Bush did precisely that regarding the African AIDS tragedy; and 2) a study claims that Bush’s remarkable action has indeed saved many precious lives.

And as someone who has closely followed Bush’s humanitarian gesture from the outset, I’m not surprised that the former president continues to not receive the accolades he deserves — including even from conservative supporters — for this generous act.

Bush himself realizes the lack of gratitude and media attention. I personally witnessed it very recently, on June 17, when I was in attendance for one of Bush’s first postpresidential speeches, in Erie, Pa. There, too, he mentioned the AIDS initiative — even adding that one of his daughters is in Africa today, working on the epidemic — and, there again, it received no press coverage whatsoever.

It all began in January 2003, during the State of the Union. In a completely unexpected announcement, Bush asked Congress for $15 billion for AIDS in Africa — drugs, treatment and prevention.

America soon learned this was not the typical State of the Union throwaway line: To show his seriousness, Bush followed on April 29 with a press conference in the East Room, where he exhorted Congress to “act quickly” on his “emergency plan.”

Accompanied by the secretary of state, he prodded America’s wealthy allies to join this “urgent work,” this “great effort.” He explained that AIDS was a “dignity of life” issue and “tragedy” that was the “responsibility of every nation.” This was a “moral imperative,” with time “not on our side.”

Bush then shocked the press by pointing to an unusual personal motivation, citing the parable of the Good Samaritan: “[T]his cause is rooted in the simplest of moral duties,” he told journalists. “When we see this kind of preventable suffering … we must act. When we see the wounded traveler on the road to Jericho, we will not, America will not, pass to the other side of the road.”

With amazing quickness, just four weeks later, Bush inked a $15-billion plan and challenged Europe to match the U.S. commitment without delay.

How did the plan work? In April, a major study was released by researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine, published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. According to the study, the first to evaluate the outcomes of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), the Bush initiative has cut the death toll from HIV/AIDS by more than 10% in targeted African countries from 2003 to 2007.

“It has averted deaths — a lot of deaths,” said Dr. Eran Bendavid, one of the researchers. “It is working. It’s reducing the death toll from HIV. People who are not dying may be able to work and support their families and their local economy.” Co-researcher, Dr. Peter Piot, says PEPFAR “is changing the course of the AIDS epidemic.”

The study — still having received virtually no press attention several months after its release — estimates that the Bush relief plan has saved more than 1 million African lives.

Those are the facts. What about opinion, particularly public opinion?

That brings me back to my initial point. If a Democratic Party president had done this, he would be feted as both a national hero and international hero on his way to a ceremony with the Nobel Committee. George W. Bush, however, is getting very little credit — or, at least, no fanfare.

Again, I’m not surprised. I first wrote about the Bush AIDS initiative in a 2004 book, followed by several articles, including an op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle, plus many discussions on radio and TV talk shows.

I was struck by two reactions, from the left and the right:

From the left, I got incensed e-mails from Bush-hating elements refusing to concede that Bush did what he did. They said the craziest things, insisting not a dime had been spent and that the program effectively did not even exist. They could not find it within their power to grant that Bush could do something so kind, which they should naturally embrace. I’ve been most disappointed by my fellow Christians in the “social justice” wing — Catholics and Protestants alike — who have been deafeningly silent on a campaign that ought to serve as a poster child for precisely what they advocate.

To be fair, some have stepped up to thank Bush, including no less than Bill Clinton, as well as musician-activist Bob Geldof. But they are the exception. (In a piece for Time, Geldof wrote about the moment he personally asked Bush about the lack of awareness of the AIDS initiative: “Why doesn’t America know about this?” Bush answered: “I tried to tell them. But the press weren’t much interested.”)

From the right, I still get angry e-mails explaining that what Bush did for Africans is not a “core function” of government, certainly not enumerated anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. Fiscal conservatives asserted that America could not afford this huge expenditure at a time of post-9/11 recession, burgeoning budget deficits, on the heels of a massive operation in Afghanistan, and as military spending was about to go through the roof as U.S. troops headed for Baghdad.

Technically, or perhaps fiscally, much of this is true.

Yet, to be sure, George W. Bush understood the financial cost — and said so explicitly. Nonetheless, he judged that only America could carry out this “act of compassion” at that critical juncture. He also judged, apparently, that only he, as a Western leader, had the will to do this.

So, he did it. He absorbed the cost to try to save lives.

Well, we now know that the policy has worked — just as, yes, we know it contributed to a record deficit. Still, it is rare when history can so directly, indisputably credit a president for a specific, undeniable policy achievement — a genuinely generous one that clearly emerged from his personal doing, from his heart. Millions of lives have been spared or bettered due to President Bush’s intervention.

But while the policy helped, it never did anything to help George W. Bush’s terrible disapproval rating — and still will not, given its lack of attention.

Well, George W. Bush, the much-ridiculed man of faith — ridiculed often because of his faith — always said he never expected rewards in this lifetime. Here’s one that apparently will need to wait.

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Paul Kengor is author of God and George W. Bush (HarperCollins, 2004)

and professor of political science and director of the Center for Vision & Values

at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: africa; aids; bush; bush43; bushlegacy; compassion; conservatives
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1 posted on 08/04/2009 6:50:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bless him.


2 posted on 08/04/2009 6:51:02 AM PDT by madison10
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To: SeekAndFind

The crickets that surround Bono are deafening.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 6:52:08 AM PDT by cranked
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To: SeekAndFind

As is typical with President Bush, he was extremely reticent to bring glory upon himself, much UNLIKE both his predecessor and successor.


4 posted on 08/04/2009 6:54:07 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: ScottinVA
As is typical with President Bush, he was extremely reticent to bring glory upon himself, much UNLIKE both his predecessor and successor.

Credit should be given where credit is due -- THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. It is OUR MONEY that went to help Africa, whether some of us like it or not ( whether most of us know it or not ).
5 posted on 08/04/2009 6:56:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bush doesn’t get enough credit for defending this country from terrorist. I am sure Bush saved thousands of lives (perhaps more) here in this country. Obama will not be able to avoid this, because he is not seriously looking at the problem.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 6:56:50 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: cranked

Right...my thoughts exactly...but Bono didn’t want to hug/thank the man...Bono has lost a ton of respect with me for his bragging over that.


7 posted on 08/04/2009 7:05:57 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you. That is the truth.


8 posted on 08/04/2009 7:06:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I didn’t always agree with President Bush, at least I knew he had this country’s best interests at heart. Not so with Mr. Obama. No-one with intellectual and moral clarity can look at everything that Obama has been doing since January and say he is acting in this country’s best interests.

I miss President Bush.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 7:06:42 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: SeekAndFind
And as someone who has closely followed Bush’s humanitarian gesture from the outset, I’m not surprised that the former president continues to not receive the accolades he deserves — including even from conservative supporters — for this generous act.

I didn't know he used his own money. Too bad he didn't care as much about Americans.

10 posted on 08/04/2009 7:08:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, George W. Bush, the much-ridiculed man of faith — ridiculed often because of his faith — always said he never expected rewards in this lifetime. Here’s one that apparently will need to wait.

He may need to wait, but he WILL be rewarded by his Lord and Savior. He always put his faith above his politics, and that's what every Christian should do. He did what he thought was right in the eyes of the Lord.

God bless President Bush for his faithfulness. Oh, how I miss having a righteous leader!

11 posted on 08/04/2009 7:09:42 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Finally, something they don’t want to blame on Bush.


12 posted on 08/04/2009 7:09:48 AM PDT by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco (I love liberals. They taste like chicken.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
The thing about Bono is that he knows what a generous and giving man George W. Bush is, but he is rejecting him because of peer pressure and moral weakness.

As far as I'm concerned, Bono deserves no respect any more. I figure that the only reason he's done good things is because it will make him look good. If he were doing good things because it's the right thing to do, he would still recognize and acknowledge the goodness of President Bush.

He's just a leftist wimp out for self aggrandizement.

13 posted on 08/04/2009 7:13:54 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, I would like attention paid to an even bigger success story-Afghanistan. Before 09-11, it was evident that the Taliban were driving that country into the ground. Their incompetence and a long dry spell were combining to create a potential humanitarian catastrophe, one that would have claimed millions of lives.

Then, granted out of necessity, the US blew the bad guys back to Pakistan. Suddenly, the aid that they had been holding up came rushing into that country, much of it via US air and land transport. Overnight, disaster became deliverance and Afghans who would otherwise have died, survived the rule of the Taliban.

Nowhere do you see that story-only stories of opium, quagmire and Bush bashing. But generations of Afghans will have the US armed forces to thank for their lives.


14 posted on 08/04/2009 7:14:10 AM PDT by tanuki (The only color of a leader that should matter is the color of his spine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:


15 posted on 08/04/2009 7:15:22 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: My Favorite Headache
Bono has lost a ton of respect with me for his bragging over that.

Did Bono ever thank the American taxpayer ? After all, it is our money that goes to help Africa.
16 posted on 08/04/2009 7:15:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: madison10

Oh please! Because of Bush and his father we now have a Marxist sitting in the WH. What he may or may not have done in Africa is relevent to nothing that is important to America.

“W” and his father were pure and simple democrats. I’ve grown to despise both men. Shame on me for being fooled into voting for RINOs—again.

I can tell you this, that will not happen—again.,


17 posted on 08/04/2009 7:16:04 AM PDT by dools007
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To: GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco

Many here do. BDS is alive and well here.


18 posted on 08/04/2009 7:17:30 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: SeekAndFind

The media IGNORES just how popular GW Bush is within many African countries.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 7:19:05 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Moonman62
And how do you know he didn't use his own money to help Americans?

The situation in Africa was dire and deadly from a humanitarian standpoint - nothing even close here in America - and in addition our national security interests were involved in keeping African countries stable. But that doesn't indicate that President Bush didn't use his resources to help Americans too.

He and VP Cheney give huge amounts of money to people in need. It's on the record.

(btw, Obama gives...............zero).

20 posted on 08/04/2009 7:20:25 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Moonman62

Agreed. Charity based on borrowed money harms as much as it helps. The sad, and simple truth, is that the only way to really fix Africas AIDS problem is monogamy. Something the Africans seem unable to grasp.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 7:21:37 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: dools007
Blaming President Bush for Obama is ludicrous and completely historically and factually inaccurate.

BDS is moronic.

22 posted on 08/04/2009 7:21:48 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: RKV
There is no way in all the earth that the money spent in Africa preventing mass deaths and chaos hurt Americans as much as it helped Africans.

In addition, the stabilization of African countries prevented more terrorist hotbeds from developing.

I don't think you have any idea how catastrophic the situation was in Africa and how much this aid helped.

23 posted on 08/04/2009 7:25:08 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let Republican and Democrat politicians show their compassion with their own money.

Africa is a bottomless pit and it only delays the inevitable to sink billions of dollars extorted from American taxpayers into feel good programs.


24 posted on 08/04/2009 7:25:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Win the War On Poverty - Stop bringing in foreign reinforcements for the other side.)
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To: ohioWfan
The situation in Africa was dire and deadly from a humanitarian standpoint - nothing even close here in America - and in addition our national security interests were involved in keeping African countries stable.

Just curious, who do you respond to some libertarian argument that says it is NOT the government's job to take tax payer money to fund humanitarian aid to other countries?

They argue that this amounts to charity BY FORCE.

It is INDIVIDUALS in society who GIVE out of their own generosity who must do this.
25 posted on 08/04/2009 7:26:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ohioWfan

Me too!

I get so very tired of that cloud of worry over my head nowadays.

I knew the country was in good hands with George Bush.


26 posted on 08/04/2009 7:26:39 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: SeekAndFind
"Credit should be given where credit is due -- "
I agree. It should be given to President Bush for using "OUR MONEY" to help others in need, as opposed to the current President using our money for payoffs and kickbacks.
27 posted on 08/04/2009 7:27:53 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I didn’t agree with everything that he did, I truly miss having him in the White House. I am hopeful that history will remember him as a president who protected this nation in its darkest hours and who carried himself, at all times, with the dignity and humility that the office demands. He may not go down in history as the greatest president this nation as ever had, but as far as I’m concerned he is one of the finest men to have ever worked in the oval office.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 7:29:44 AM PDT by frankiep (Ron Paul was right)
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To: dools007
Because of Bush and his father we now have a Marxist sitting in the WH.

I want to go to Bizzaro World too!

29 posted on 08/04/2009 7:32:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I didn’t agree with everything that he did, I truly miss having him in the White House. I am hopeful that history will remember him as a president who protected this nation in its darkest hours and who carried himself, at all times, with the dignity and humility that the office demands. He may not go down in history as the greatest president this nation as ever had, but as far as I’m concerned he is one of the finest men to have ever worked in the oval office.


30 posted on 08/04/2009 7:33:09 AM PDT by frankiep (Ron Paul was right)
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To: dools007
Oh please! Because of Bush and his father we now have a Marxist sitting in the WH.

Exactly. If Republicans are going to behave like Democrats, people are going to eliminate the middle man and vote for Democrats.

31 posted on 08/04/2009 7:34:59 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: astyanax

(Unless, of course, we also want to take credit for the billions of dollars of our money going to ACORN, etc.)


32 posted on 08/04/2009 7:37:19 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: ohioWfan

I’ve been to Africa briefly. I understand the situation to at least a limited extent. I stand with many, including Africans, who believe that the right thing to do in Africa’s case, is to stop subsidizing behaviors that are dysfunctional. I wonder if you understand the situation here at home to the same level? Owing the Chinese money is not a good thing. Importing goods that we should be able to make at home at a competitive price is not a good thing. Zero is out to do some real damage to America, and we need to focus here. Rolling back job killing regulations and defeating cap and trade is a start, along with closing our borders and preventing the passage of socialized medicine. We’ve got our hands full. The rest of the world is going to have to help themselves for a while.


33 posted on 08/04/2009 7:37:56 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: SeekAndFind
Did Bono ever thank the American taxpayer ? After all, it is our money that goes to help Africa.

The beauty of this particular initiative is that it not only has a proper moral aspect, but it's also good policy in and of itself: saving lives in Africa now, will almost certainly end up saving us money and trouble in the future. In that sense, it's more like an investment.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:44 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: dools007
I can tell you this, that will not happen—again....

Yawn.....

35 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:49 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: SeekAndFind
With amazing quickness, just four weeks later, Bush inked a $15-billion plan

The last I read, the price tag is up to $45 billion, even though the original $15 billion was supposed to save money.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 7:46:42 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: dools007

And to think, we could all be missing Gore or Kerry. Get some help.


37 posted on 08/04/2009 7:52:37 AM PDT by Gator113 (It's about stupidity, stupid. IMPEACH HERE, IMPEACH NOW.)
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To: dools007
Because of Bush and his father we now have a Marxist sitting in the WH.

I guess the stupid voters didn't have a say in electing Zero.....

38 posted on 08/04/2009 7:54:55 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: r9etb
The beauty of this particular initiative is that it not only has a proper moral aspect

The money and the drugs probably did very little. My guess is that an attitude shift came to Africa. Before it was that "Men will be men" and nothing can be done about it. Now, it is likely to be, something can be done about it "Men Behave!".

Oh, if only our own nation would repent "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is not just an option.

39 posted on 08/04/2009 7:55:15 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
What if a president, on his own initiative, under no demands from staff or from supporters or opponents, set out to spend an unprecedented amount of money on AIDS in Africa, literally billions of dollars, at a time when the nation could not afford it, citing his faith as a primary motivation and, ultimately, saved more than a million lives? Wouldn't the story be front-page news, especially in top, liberal newspapers? Wouldn't it lead on CNN, MSNBC and the "CBS Evening News"? ...It all began in January 2003, during the State of the Union. In a completely unexpected announcement, Bush asked Congress for $15 billion for AIDS in Africa -- drugs, treatment and prevention.

40 posted on 08/04/2009 7:59:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: sr4402
The money and the drugs probably did very little.

I don't know ... the drugs are somewhat effective, and if they can keep infected people working, that's a good thing.

My guess is that an attitude shift came to Africa.

We certainly cannot discount that -- it would be a HUGE factor in preventing new infections. But again, infection rates are incredibly high there, and treatment of infected people is still necessary.

Oh, if only our own nation would repent "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is not just an option.

I'll agree to that....

41 posted on 08/04/2009 8:01:25 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Always Right

Unfortunately, that is offset by Dubya’s utter refusal to act decisively to stop the invasion of illegals who behave like criminal terrorists. That has had a profoundly negative effect on my life.


42 posted on 08/04/2009 8:13:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: ohioWfan
Oh, how I miss having a righteous leader!

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


43 posted on 08/04/2009 8:16:02 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: SeekAndFind
First of all, let me state that I am not a libertarian, but rather an across the board conservative (I believe that libertarianism is limited conservatism). I would also preface my comments with the fact that these are all my own conclusions based on my own thought, and are obviously open for debate. (Also, for the "you're just a Bushbot crowd - I had these ideas before 2000).

I believe that conservatism, based on the words of our Founding Fathers, must also include morality, and part of that morality is goodness, not only in our own behavior, but in how we treat others. I concur with de Toqueville when he said, "America is great because America is good. If America ever ceases to be good, she shall cease to be great."

And because of that - because God has blessed this nation with great wealth (our poor are richer than western Europe's middle class)- I believe that part of America's morality is helping others in catastrophic need. I also believe that this is conservative to the core.

We are all obliged to give as individuals, and we do - we are the most generous people on earth. But there are situations that are beyond our individual reach. As an example, the Tsunami. We, as Americans gave in abundance, but it was our naval vessels - our taxpayer funded military - that took our gifts to those in need. We could not, as individuals done what needed to be done to get aid to the tsunami victims.

This is obviously very subjective, but America has historically helped the victims of earthquakes and catastrophic events, and I believe that the aid to Africa, given with the conditions President Bush placed upon it, based on the Ugandan model of ABC - abstinence, faithfulness, and then condoms - has been in keeping with our moral principles and our goodness as a nation.

44 posted on 08/04/2009 8:19:52 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: RKV
I’ve been to Africa briefly. I understand the situation to at least a limited extent. I stand with many, including Africans, who believe that the right thing to do in Africa’s case, is to stop subsidizing behaviors that are dysfunctional

Which, if you would bother to find out what the Bush policy was, and the controls on the aid were, you would understand was exactly what was happening.

We were most certainly NOT "subsudizing behaviors that are dysfunctional." We were, under the Bush policy, requiring moral behavior to get the aid.

The State Department leftists went crazy when Condi Rice introduced the ABC pattern of behavior as a requirement for help because it was so MORAL. But then it started to work, and some of them came around.

As for your comments about Obama - they are irrelevant to the discussion, and I understand full well what is going on. It has nothing to do with stopping the mass death in Africa.

45 posted on 08/04/2009 8:26:40 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just curious, who do you respond to some libertarian argument that says it is NOT the government's job to take tax payer money to fund humanitarian aid to other countries?

I agree with them.

It's not America's job to prop up the rest of the world. After the deficit is paid off and all government bills are paid and our own citizens are properly cared for ... THEN let's talk about foreign aid.

46 posted on 08/04/2009 8:27:37 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Only feces and dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: rdb3

Amen, brother rdb3!


47 posted on 08/04/2009 8:27:45 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: r9etb
I don't know ... the drugs are somewhat effective, and if they can keep infected people working, that's a good thing

Do you sincerely believe that the drugs stop HIV infections from passing?

48 posted on 08/04/2009 8:30:07 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SeekAndFind

To paraphrase Davy Crockett, it wasn’t his to give.

“We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money.” Col. David Crockett, US Representative from Tennessee


49 posted on 08/04/2009 8:31:33 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Moonman62
Moonman62, aren't you a smart guy?

How can you possibly blame President Bush for Obama's election? It makes absolutely no factual, historical or logical sense. It seems to be the product of people who are so desperate to hate President Bush that they blame him for things that aren't his doing, just so they can stay mad at him.

That's not you, is it? You're not setting aside all the facts, are you?

50 posted on 08/04/2009 8:31:39 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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