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To Tell You The Truth, These Conspiracists Scare Me
Times of London ^ | 8/4/09 | James Bone

Posted on 08/04/2009 11:41:38 AM PDT by steve-b

Journalist are often sent to places — a war zone, a natural disaster, or a crime-ridden slum — that are physically scary. Those assignments routinely win prizes.

Sometimes they may be asked to cover a story that is intellectually scary. Those assignments are less dramatic but can reveal more about human nature.

Perhaps the most intellectually scary assignment I have had in recent years was to cover a meeting of the so-called "9/11 Truth Movement" in the East Village, New York.

This gruesome assortment of conspiracy theorists insists that the attacks on the US of September 11, 2001 were an inside job.

It is easy to mock this deluded gang of ageing hippies, anarchists and anti-Semites.....

America is now again witnessing the advent of a crackpot movement in the so-called "Birthers".

This group insists, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including a birth certificate and two contemporaneous birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers, that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore constitutionally ineligible to serve as President....

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allahpundit; birthers; certifigate; charlesjohnson; conspiracytheories; hillary; hotair; lgf; pumas; truthers

1 posted on 08/04/2009 11:41:40 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
...clown author is worried about us....and he's got throat slitting terrorist wanted to rent a room next door to him in the UK
2 posted on 08/04/2009 11:45:40 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: steve-b

Good. Better you libs be scared thean me. When we get mad it is serious. They have awakened a sleeping giant and do not understand.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 11:46:19 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: steve-b

BOO!!!!


4 posted on 08/04/2009 11:48:31 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR...Monthly Donors Wanted...I Upped My Monthly. Now, Up Yours.)
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To: Doogle
Jimmy Bone legally shortened his name in order to maintain a semblance of credibility given his employment as a beat reporter... word on the street is that he was born "James D. Bonehead."

There is a conspiracy afoot to make this fact public. Don't tell anyone...

;-/

5 posted on 08/04/2009 11:49:21 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people..." John Adams)
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To: steve-b

Go back to sleep Mr. Bone, and don’t worry, the Muslims have got England under control, everythng’s okay, we’ll take care of our own country.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 11:50:13 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Gargantua

lol, Bone, James Bone, shaken, very shaken


7 posted on 08/04/2009 11:52:40 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: steve-b
Jamie, dear, you forgot to mention the crazy conspirists that are trying to claim the people speaking out against the socialized medicine bill are a small group of political operatives beholden to the insurance companies (or whoever they want to demonize a the moment).

Also, Jamie, dear, ZerO could put all the "birther" stuff to rest by simply presenting his valid birth certificate. He's never done that, you know, Jamie dear.

8 posted on 08/04/2009 11:52:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: steve-b

steve-bone, brother of bone, james bone.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 11:53:25 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: steve-b

Wonder how these “anti-birthers” get a copy of Obama’s birth certificate when he never released the actual BC....


10 posted on 08/04/2009 11:54:25 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Know the difference between "conservative" and "republican")
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To: 1000 silverlings

Argh, you beat me to it!


11 posted on 08/04/2009 11:55:35 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: steve-b
My experience with conspiracy theorists (be it the 912 conspiracy or the birthers) is that the minute you disagree with them they turn into bullies. The name calling starts, and the shouting, and the mocking. Only they have the truth and you are sooooooo stooooopid for not seeing their truth.

I usually just tell them that if they are going to throw a tantrum, I am not going to listen to them. And I don't give them an audience if they cannot compose themselves.

12 posted on 08/04/2009 11:57:29 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: Doogle

So this pencil headed idiot is afraid of a bunch of powerless people? I still remember this shrieky little voice calling in to C-Span after Dan Quayle trashed Al Gore in the 1992 veep debate, saying “Dan Quayle scared me.” It sounded like Lucille Ball doing her Tilly the Dog impression.


13 posted on 08/04/2009 11:57:46 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: astyanax

you can have the next one, lol, you know it just gets cwazier and cwazier you wabbit


14 posted on 08/04/2009 11:58:19 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: steve-b
Wow half way down the first page he goes Nazi. You lose Mr. Bonehead!
15 posted on 08/04/2009 11:59:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Doogle
..clown author is worried about us....and he's got throat slitting terrorist wanted to rent a room next door to him in the UK

Funny how these "anti-Birther" columnists are so quick to ridicule those that ask logical questions and expect The Constituion to be upheld. It is also funny that the "anti-Birthers" base their belief that 0bama is qualified, on absolutely nothing but his flimsy word.

When the real truth comes out, I expect each of these libs to eat their words!

16 posted on 08/04/2009 12:01:47 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper Thug -)
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To: steve-b
...despite ample evidence to the contrary, including a birth certificate...

Where?

We just want to see it.

17 posted on 08/04/2009 12:02:52 PM PDT by Allegra ( Socks)
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To: steve-b

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/scalliwag/200908/why-most-journalists-are-democrats-view-the-soviet-socialist-trenches

August 3, 2009, Politics

Why Most Journalists Are Democrats: A View from the Soviet Socialist Trenches


18 posted on 08/04/2009 12:04:47 PM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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To: brushcop

I thought FactCheck.org were the people who actually produced the original COLB which caused all of the controversy. They later admitted that the COLB was given to them as a file and that they were not sure of it’s veracity, didn’t they? I don’t remember them actually ever mentioning that they had actually examined Obama’s original birth certificate.

Another thing, birth announcements mean nothing. I was born in Orlando, FL on July 4th, 1962. The following week, there appeared a birth announcement for me in both the Boston Globe and the Lawrence Eagle Tribune. Both of these papers are in Massachusetts. These two birth announcements, placed by both of my sets of grandparents do not prove that I was born in Massachusetts.

Back during a time when people left calling cards and wrote thank you letters, this announcement process was customary and often executed by grandmothers and grandfathers out of pride, regardless of where the child was born. In my case, my grandparent’s address was used so the local paper would deem it newsworthy from a local point of view and actually print it. My guess is the address shown in both of Obama’s birth announcements, just like in my case a year later, were his grandparents’ address. Yes?

So, we are back to square one. Nothing proven, lot’s of smoke and Obama sitting on the truth. So, who exactly is crazy here?


19 posted on 08/04/2009 12:04:50 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: steve-b

Ample evidence EXCEPT for the one document that would close the deal.

Truthers relied on suppositions that could never be proven. You can knock the Birthers down with one punch IF you throw that punch. So far, the President has been willing to keep this pot on simmer.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 12:08:55 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Reminds me of a saying: “Beware the wrath of a quiet man.”


21 posted on 08/04/2009 12:32:22 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: steve-b

We should all be locked up. Can’t have crazies running all over the place expecting the transparency we were promised.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 12:34:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: steve-b

Lessee, in 3 counties in England, female police officers were instructed to dress as muslims for a day so they would know what it is like to be muslim (say what!??).

And, this idiot writing for the Times is afraid of US!!???? FOOL!! You got more to worry about in your own backyard than you do 3,000 miles across the pond!!!


23 posted on 08/04/2009 12:34:25 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CometBaby
My experience with conspiracy theorists (be it the 912 conspiracy or the birthers) is that the minute you disagree with them they turn into bullies. The name calling starts, and the shouting, and the mocking. Only they have the truth and you are sooooooo stooooopid for not seeing their truth.

That's true, but those trying to debunk birthers with equally spurious "facts" aren't doing much to move the argument along, as in this gem:

 For the "Birthers," it is the fact that the 2007 Hawaii birth certificate released by the Obama campaign last year was not the 1961 original. (FactCheck.org has examined the original 1961 birth certificate and says it has a raised official seal.)

FactCheck, as we all know, "examined" the same certification "released by the Obama campaign" that is "not the 1961 original."

Let me re-phrase that for any lurking debunkers in the media who aren't up to speed: the Certification of Live Birth posted on the internet by the Barack Obama campaign is not the "original" birth certificate. It is an abstract of limited information derived from the original birth certificate, but does not contain all the information on the original certificate. FactCheck examined the same "extract" posted on the internet -- not the original.

If I were a columnist (I hesitate to say journalist), such as this one, who didn't have an elementary grasp of the facts, I'd stay out of the debate. There's way too much useless static, on both sides.

24 posted on 08/04/2009 12:35:50 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: steve-b

Steve, you forgot the “barf alert” or “satire” header.

I like facts, and can be persuaded by facts, hence I don’t like reporters like this guy who lost me as a reader when he said there is ample evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. No, there’s only a COLB and, as we all know (so does Steve-b) that there are four ways to get one of these COLB’s and one of the four ways only requires someone to call it on on the phone.

Like I said, I like facts and facts can be mighty persuasive. Mockery only makes me want to know more of the facts.


25 posted on 08/04/2009 12:36:29 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: johnnycap

I gave up trying to reply rationally in these threads before the inauguration. But let me try one more time.

Let’s say Obama really was born in Kenya. His mother was only 18, and thus could not confer citizenship at birth on him because she couldn’t satisfy the statute in effect at the time, which required the U.S. citizen parent’s physical presence in the U.S. for at least 5 years after the age of 14.

So Stanley Ann Dunham goes to the consulate in Kenya to get a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (the equivalent of a birth certificate proving U.S. citizenship for those not born in the U.S.) and is told, sorry, you are only 18, it’s impossible for you to have been physically present in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14.

Without the issuance of that Consular Report of Birth Abroad, she cannot get a passport for her newborn son. And he cannot enter the U.S. without a passport.

Her only option is to petition for an immigrant visa for her son, which he is entitled to as the child of a U.S. citizen, even if he isn’t entitled to having U.S. citizenship conferred at birth.

That takes some time; how long it took in 1961, I do not know, but it was far from something that could be done on the spot. Baby Barack would have had to have stayed put in Kenya for some time.

The former INS/now USCIS would have records of the petition for the visa, and records of whenever Baby Barack did in fact enter the U.S., because that would have been the date he became a legal permanent resident. He would have been sent a green card shortly after his entry. There would be records of that.

I know. Ann Dunham got someone in Hawaii to issue a phony birth certificate saying Baby Barack was born in Hawaii. But Baby Barack still had to get from Kenya to Hawaii. Ann Dunham would have had to have gotten a passport for him with the phony birth certificate. The State Department would have records of this. And she would have had to have flown back to Kenya to retrieve Baby Barack so he could enter the U.S. with his fraudulently obtained passport.

In short, no matter how you slice it, there should be a highly incriminating paper trail of government records that could be readily unearthed. Why haven’t they been?


26 posted on 08/04/2009 12:38:08 PM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: CometBaby

CometBaby, if you’ve got access to facts the rest of us don’t have, please share. I promise to remain composed. In fact, I wish this story would resolve itself one way or the other.


27 posted on 08/04/2009 12:39:14 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: BertWheeler
Hey, at least he posted a story that wasn't about Sarah Palin. Something strange about that boy.
28 posted on 08/04/2009 12:43:59 PM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: steve-b
To Tell You The Truth, These Conspiracists Scare Me

It should scare the hell of tar out of him!

He is too uninformed to understand the huge difference between the "thruthers" and "birthers." The distance difference between the two is as the distance between the west and east!!

Soon BirthMas is coming with a loads of BirthMas "presents"!!!

29 posted on 08/04/2009 12:45:09 PM PDT by danamco
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To: McGruff

First time I read this guy “Bone’s” articles. At least a fascination with the lovely Sarah Palin makes sense. LOL!


30 posted on 08/04/2009 12:45:14 PM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: CometBaby

Calling us conspiracy theorists is name calling is it not? Is asking for the transparency we were promised a conspiracy?

Hope I’m not bullying you too much.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 12:47:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Their real names are “After-Birthers”!!!


32 posted on 08/04/2009 12:49:10 PM PDT by danamco
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To: King of Florida
I'm also very skeptical about claims that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. At this point it seems the original birth certificate is being withheld to: 1) conceal potently embarrassing personnel information or 2) Obama's team has stumbled on a golden "rope a dope opportunity".

What draws my interest is the stonewalling and absolute volume of ad hominem attacks fired off at those asking to see his birth certificate. It seems rather unlikely the amount of anti-"birther" columns and radio/TV talk is the result of individual journalist interest.

The wisest tact is to remain unemotional when discussing this topic and tie it into his candor regarding educational, law practice and other records.

33 posted on 08/04/2009 1:35:08 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: piytar

Right. I wonder about the difference in the silent majority and the ultra-loud minorities. Something tells me the white folks are getting fed up.


34 posted on 08/04/2009 1:39:40 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: johnnycap

What really intrigues me is the total lack of any substantive background info being released, no school records, no nothing, and what really blows your mind is that no one (to my knowledge) has even said, “Hey I went to school with that guy, who woulda guessed he would be president!”, now that’s spooky. Nothing’s released, no real work history anyway, just a real ZERO.


35 posted on 08/04/2009 2:06:51 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
on absolutely nothing but his flimsy word.

..and if there's anything I would NOT give a drop of spit on...is HIS word

36 posted on 08/04/2009 5:57:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: brushcop

That is where we should focus our attention when talking about Obama. We should say we have more on George Washington’s background than Obama’s. We know where Lincoln was born. We have Roosevelt’s grades from Groton. We can see Kennedy’s plays on the Harvard Football team. We know exactly what Garfield ate before he was shot but we don’t know anything about Obama. We are just asking for something, anything???!!!


37 posted on 08/04/2009 8:17:12 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: johnnycap

If you are liberal if you are conservative if you are democrat if you are republican...it doesn’t matter, just tell me what has he got to hide?? And doesn’t that alone make you suspicious?


38 posted on 08/04/2009 8:18:35 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: Red Dog #1

I agree in large part, but I think that the stonewalling, anti-birther media blather, and the rest is in fact part of a type of “rope a dope” opportunity.

By letting this play out, Obama and his sympathizers in the media can portray conservatives as being wackos and out of touch with the needs of the country, and can distract them from focusing on a cohesive opposition to the Obama agenda.

I also think this is in large part the fault of many conservatives who have allowed this to happen. There are bigger fish to fry. No use crying about a sardine that may have been left in the can and thrown out.


39 posted on 08/05/2009 4:46:55 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: steve-b

A silly Bone-head with a whiney bone to pick signifying nothing.


40 posted on 08/05/2009 4:51:19 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: steve-b
You see, they had the corner on conspiracy. Generating a conspiracy creates doubt, doubt is dangerous. Yet, for all their efforts to create that doubt about Bush...it pretty much remained a fringe element for 8 long years. And their efforts were often revealed as forged, misinformed, and factually incorrect.

Today they find themselves being crowded on the corner of conspiracy with an administration that fails to debunk the questioning masses. A President that is doing everything he can to hide not only his BC, but any records about his past.

There is a palpable fear that this conspiracy might, just might be true on some level. Not natural born? Maybe, maybe not. Went to school under affirmative action maybe, maybe not. Gained access to college as a foreign student “claimed foreign status.” You see...we don't know.

But raising the questions scares them, makes us dangerous, etc. NO, it really doesn't. If honest answers were forth coming the wing-nut right would settle down. It is those same answers though that would ignite the left in an unknown response. The hardcores will stand with 0bama and the rest will be angry for having been played the fool.

41 posted on 08/05/2009 5:06:57 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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