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Kenyan document ignites firestorm over authenticity (Let's Discuss Bomford HERE)
WND ^ | 8/4/09 | Staff

Posted on 08/04/2009 7:33:27 PM PDT by pissant

A document unveiled by a California attorney in her quest to determine President Obama's place of birth has been condemned as a forgery by critics who deride as nonsense the challenges that have been raised to the president based on the U.S. Constitution's demand that the Oval Office occupant be a "natural born" citizen.

But those on the other side, who would like to see the original documentation of Obama's birth place revealed, say there are factors that indicate the Kenyan birth document could be real.

WND reported when the document was submitted to a California court by California attorney Orly Taitz, who has managed several of the high-profile cases challenging Obama's eligibility to be president.

Then yesterday, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., raised the dispute to the floor of that august body, protesting in a speech added to the Congressional Record that the dispute was not worth one minute of time.

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For starters, the folds certainly do not match.

1 posted on 08/04/2009 7:33:29 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Electric Graffiti; PA Engineer; conservativegramma; Calpernia

A Place to discuss Bomford vs Obama


2 posted on 08/04/2009 7:34:55 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; All
He was hatched, on this date in 1961!


3 posted on 08/04/2009 7:36:08 PM PDT by potlatch ( There is no education in the second kick of a mule.)
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To: pissant

Why would the folds have to match?!!?


4 posted on 08/04/2009 7:37:44 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

They don’t. But if you are going to use an online doc to create a replica, then you would need to digitally remove the folds of the “original”.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 7:40:32 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SW6906

Why would the folds have to match?!!?


That’s what I say. ?? I thought the whole point was, that it could be an entirely NEW document DRAFTED from a similar or same FORMAT.

So it would not matter, create a new one from a template, give it some custom folds for authenticity and viola!


6 posted on 08/04/2009 7:42:27 PM PDT by CommieCutter (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/qt/3013_08.html)
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To: pissant

Bomford AKA Bamford likely to be a scam artist.


7 posted on 08/04/2009 7:43:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: pissant

Gotcha. Thanks.


8 posted on 08/04/2009 7:43:15 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: pissant
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
9 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:03 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SW6906

Ugh.


10 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:44 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Red Steel

Like the guy on ebay trying to sell a Kenyan BC


11 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: potlatch

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LOL!

The Family Plot sickens!


12 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:46 PM PDT by devolve (- - .....mean-spiritedanddangerous.com..... - -)
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To: pissant
The certificate is a blatant forgery. It is dated 17 February 1964 and was supposedly issued by the "Republic of Kenya".

No such country. The Republic of Kenya was not proclaimed until December 1964.

13 posted on 08/04/2009 7:44:48 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: pissant

You might want to tell WND that...

“No one at WND – not me, not Jerome Corsi, not any columnists, not any reporters – have defended the authenticity of the Kenyan birth certificate. No one here has made a judgment that it is real. What we did was report a fact – that California attorney Orly Taitz has filed a motion in federal court to determine its authenticity. “

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105902


14 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:48 PM PDT by Adammon
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To: John Locke

There is much dispute about that. Yesterday we found numerous references to the Republic of Kenya prior to their official declaration date.


15 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:50 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
if you are going to use an online doc to create a replica, then you would need to digitally remove the folds of the “original”.

Someone at the DUmp posted a blank BC form based upon the Kenya BC. Did that one have folds?
16 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:56 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/26/08)
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To: SW6906

If one IMAGE of the unfolded document were used to make another, I’d be very difficult to change the fold locations and phases.


17 posted on 08/04/2009 7:45:58 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: pissant

Did you look at Orly’s site lately? WOW!

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

There were two things that who knows are true sources or if they are playing games with Orly but wow:

State Dept employee and a Kenyan who says he was born around the same time at the same hospital and they match. Registrat Leavanders is real????? Anyone read this yet?

I wonder if Orly has the real deal and the left is in panic mode?????

Scroll on the comments on this: Posted a couple of them
David Bomford “birth certificate” removed from genealogy website
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307694/posts

Carl says: “I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job. I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.” I’m not surprised.”

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kitau says: “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.” August 3, 9:04 PM

33 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:25:46 AM by shield (A wise man’s heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool’s heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)


18 posted on 08/04/2009 7:46:47 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Adammon

That was written before this piece. And they are not claiming it to be valid now. They are reporting the controversy over it, or did you bother to read the piece?


19 posted on 08/04/2009 7:47:00 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Frantzie

And WND says they have legit Kenyan BC’s and they match the form. Hmmmmm. Still, the entire episode may be fake. But it will be us, not the idiots that came up with the fraud Bomford who ferret it out.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 7:48:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Thanks for the ping. Am following a spree shooting right now in Pittsburgh. Will join the thread in a bit.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 7:49:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: devolve

Yes, constantly something new.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 7:49:03 PM PDT by potlatch ( There is no education in the second kick of a mule.)
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To: John Locke
No such country. The Republic of Kenya was not proclaimed until December 1964.

Absolute BS! Why are you regurgitating something what de-bunked about 1000 times over the past 2 days. Numerous newspaper articles from 1963 were posted in which the country was ID'd as "the republic of Kenya".
23 posted on 08/04/2009 7:49:22 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/26/08)
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To: pissant

Don’t put too much faith in it. Could be a red herring by the alinskys, they think deep and they’ve got the ball for the moment. Then again...


24 posted on 08/04/2009 7:50:07 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: John Locke
"The certificate is a blatant forgery. It is dated 17 February 1964 and was supposedly issued by the "Republic of Kenya". No such country. The Republic of Kenya was not proclaimed until December 1964. "

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OMG!! Why has no one discussed this yet!!!

26 posted on 08/04/2009 7:50:23 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: GLDNGUN

I don’t know, but if they used Bomford’s “BC” as the template, as the state run media has proclaimed, they would have had to blot out the original folds.


27 posted on 08/04/2009 7:51:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Frantzie
If those two posts are true, then the story has new life. Could be that those two posters are just disrupting though.

If the document is legit, someone should be able to verify it easily given the specifics involved. Until that time, however, I'm maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism.

28 posted on 08/04/2009 7:52:06 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: pissant

I don’t trust any images anymore.

Let’s see the REAL thing.


29 posted on 08/04/2009 7:52:36 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: pissant
They don’t. But if you are going to use an online doc to create a replica, then you would need to digitally remove the folds of the “original”.

1.) This subject has been killed in other threads, why start over.

Bomford is a fraud and too cute by half and again.

2.) the Kenyan BC has been examined by a Document Examiner and found I am supposing not to be printed with a laser jet or an ink jet printer, we can't say the same about Bomford.

3. In Mega-thread Jr. the provenance of Bomford was traced to someone perfectly capable of this fraud

4. The image in question was not cached with this site for the previous 2 year, it suddenly appeared days ago.

It is insane that someone would choose this specific Australian BC as the template to forge a Kenyan BC, the "finder" tells a tale of looking all over the net.. and happening to find the one and only digital image that exactly matches the Kenyan BC! This is absurd. Add the fact that the forger then kept many details the same to make sure that Bronson was identifiably identical to the Kenyan B.C. when these could have been easily changed as in the crest and you get .. too cute by half. This is a plant intended to be used just as it is, to sow disinformation.

Why do this to counter an obvious fraud? Enough.

30 posted on 08/04/2009 7:52:45 PM PDT by dalight
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To: Manic_Episode
"The certificate is a blatant forgery. It is dated 17 February 1964 and was supposedly issued by the "Republic of Kenya". No such country. The Republic of Kenya was not proclaimed until December 1964. " ====================================== OMG!! Why has no one discussed this yet!!!

Please, please tell me you simply forgot the "end sarcasm" tag.

Pretty please?
31 posted on 08/04/2009 7:53:06 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/26/08)
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To: pissant

I’ll sit back and mostly watch this thread and see you do your thing. ;-)


32 posted on 08/04/2009 7:53:20 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: potlatch

LOL. Or maybe dropped off by Calypso Louie’s mothership


33 posted on 08/04/2009 7:53:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: potlatch
Excellent!

Thanks Potlatch

34 posted on 08/04/2009 7:54:30 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: pissant

Sorry to go off topic but did anyone record Phil Berg on Savage tonight? I missed about the last 10 minutes. I will check youtube.

Savage gave him a half hour plus Orly was on the other night.


35 posted on 08/04/2009 7:55:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: dalight

Because we need a thread on Bomford, as some have suggested. Divorced from the 2000 post. And you just contributed, so thanks.


36 posted on 08/04/2009 7:55:36 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: GLDNGUN
Spose I should've but didn't believe it was necessary.

I've read every single post on the long thread and am losing a bit of patience with the day late and dollar short crowd.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 7:55:42 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: pissant
Thanks Pissant.....speaking of the folds, many here have noticed the form 'type' does not distort or bend on many of the folds in the Bomford scan:



The Deputy Registrar type over the signature struck me as mighty peculiar ;)



If you take Deputy Registrar part of the Bomford B.C. and enlarge it up to 600 percent. You can clearly see the entire block outline of that particular layer in contrast to the surrounding pixels. This doesn't show the blocking that well, but you can clearly see it if you play around with it in photoshop. They tried to help out the "S". They just forgot the "D"(Which is not shown here..see above). They were on a limited timetable;)



Have at it......
38 posted on 08/04/2009 7:56:47 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: dalight
Why do this to counter an obvious fraud? Enough.

Because the Joker won't reveal his real COLB?????

39 posted on 08/04/2009 7:57:07 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: pissant; devolve

[Or maybe dropped off by Calypso Louie’s mothership]

No, it’s the CHICKEN POD PEOPLE! Watch out for your neighbor!!


40 posted on 08/04/2009 7:57:49 PM PDT by potlatch ( There is no education in the second kick of a mule.)
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To: pissant

The Bomford document has no kerning of the A and T in “REGISTRATION,” and uses f-ligatures (i.e., the “ffi” in “official”); the Kenya document has the kerning and no f-ligatures. The curly braces conjoining the words “living” and “deceased” are of different styles. And curiously, the typist uses a regular numerial “1” in the date of birth, but then uses the slipshod method of employing a lowercase “L” as a “1” for the remainder of the document.


41 posted on 08/04/2009 7:58:12 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: BARLF

Thank YOU!


42 posted on 08/04/2009 7:58:21 PM PDT by potlatch ( There is no education in the second kick of a mule.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Spose I should've but didn't believe it was necessary. I've read every single post on the long thread and am losing a bit of patience with the day late and dollar short crowd.

No kidding. Next thing you know someone will post "What? Barack Obama is President? When did that happen?"
43 posted on 08/04/2009 7:58:21 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/26/08)
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To: pissant; All
Ok, everybody, i've gotten veteran ace (not a**) reporter Dan Blather to investigate the document.

His conclusion:

FAKE(then again, maybe not),BUT ACCURATE

44 posted on 08/04/2009 7:59:03 PM PDT by OldCorps
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Bookmark


45 posted on 08/04/2009 7:59:50 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Red Steel
Bomford AKA Bamford likely to be a scam artist.

I very much doubt it.

Look, I've been a Freeper here, for five years now. I'm an Australian citizen and I know what Australian birth certificates look like. The Bomford certificate looks exactly like an Australian birth certificate.

This is a certified copy of my own birth certificate from last year (with identifying details removed).

It shows the standard form of an Australian birth certificate. This one looks slightly different from the Bomford because with modern technology, they can print the whole thing from the records, with printed seal, etc, as well as more security features (background printing etc, than they used to when things were harder to copy) - I used to have certified photocopies (I can't find one right now - I think I may have shredded them last year when I got this new one because they were becoming very tattered - why I got a replacement) from the 1970s and 1980s, and they looked virtually identical to the Bomford certificate.

Calling him a fraud because he has a birth certificate that looks like a birth certificate in Australia should look is ridiculous.

46 posted on 08/04/2009 7:59:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: pissant

Does anyone know if the lawyer is trying to get the photo validated? or a physical copy of what she says is the kenya birth certificate???

I certainly hope she is not trying to validate a photo.
If she is, she needs to be fired, tarred, and then feathered.

If she truly does have a physical copy of what we are all seeing, then our discussion of what we are looking at is all moot. Let’s wait and see... She seems a little fruity to me... however, All she is doing is requesting that it be authenticated, just like we are speculating to determine the same. It’s not like she is making claims that it is valid. There is no way for us to know that what we are seeing is exactly what she has in her hands. Especially considering her online site was obviously hacked and infected.

Lets wait and see.


47 posted on 08/04/2009 7:59:57 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: pissant; autumnraine; PA Engineer; wndawmn666; Bigh4u2; BP2

Ping to this thread to post your findings on the Bomford B.C.


48 posted on 08/04/2009 8:00:48 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: pissant

Thanks for the ping pissant.

One thing I notice regarding the folds: 1) Yes, they don’t match. But 2) It looks to me like they are folded backwards. Example: Instead of folding the document towards you, you fold it under or away from you. Like you would find if you took a folded document and TURNED IT OVER and started typing on the BACKSIDE.

So one thought I have is: Is this genuine old paper, and some old document that someone has flipped to create a forgery on the backside of it? Does anyone else see this or is it just me???


49 posted on 08/04/2009 8:01:01 PM PDT by conservativegramma (Palin has my vote: whoever the media hates I love)
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To: Frantzie
Yep,I heard savage tonite with berg,He agree’s with berg.Savage hates o.
50 posted on 08/04/2009 8:02:12 PM PDT by taxtruth (END THE FED AND OBAMA)
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