Skip to comments.Russian general confirms submarine patrols near US [no problem says Russian general]
Posted on 08/05/2009 5:09:17 AM PDT by ETL
MOSCOW A top Russian general says two nuclear-powered Russian attack submarines that have been spotted off the U.S. East Coast are part of regular patrols.
Anatoly Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces, says the patrols are not newsworthy.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Russia and China have been holding joint war games every other year since 2005. The next one is scheduled for this summer...
 Russia, China plan new joint military exercises
By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009
WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.
The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.
The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."
Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007
CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.
"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.
Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.
The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.
Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005
In foreign policy its critical to know thine enemy. So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy the United States.
The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named Peace Mission 2005, the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.
Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but its clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.
Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas the first ever by a Russian president.
More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama
Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko
"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"
April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
Yeah. No big deal. BO is cutting our missile defense with Russia AND North Korea AND Iran building theirs up. No big deal. ~sarc.
“Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.”
BO is a dumb ass!
Obamas Red Mentor Praised Red Army
AIM Report | By Cliff Kincaid | April 30, 2008
Frank Marshall Davis
Barack Obamas childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA), wrote a poem dedicated to the Soviet Red Army. Smash on, victory-eating Red Army, he declared. He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries.
The Red Army poem goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and hails the Soviet revolution. It says:
Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!
Barack Obama, from Dreams from My Father, Three Rivers Press, New York, Revised Edition, 2004, ISBN 1-4000-8277-3, p. 76-7:
"But by the time I met Frank [Frank Marshall Davis] he must have been pushing eighty, with a big, dewlapped face and an ill-kempt gray Afro that made him look like an old, shaggy-maned lion. He would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar."
Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:51:21 PM ET by ETL:
Everything old is new again. In the 60s, the height of the Cold War, the US and Russia routinely operated military surveillance activities against each other. When the USSR collapsed, a lot of that stuff sort of faded away.
Since Putin came to power (former KGB chief), he has slowly been rebuilding Russia back to its “glory days” of the USSR. I called this one years ago and was told by fellow FReepers that I was nuts.
We are in the early stages of a new “Cold War” with Russia. This time it could be worse than the last - the Russians AND the Chinese both know that we have an idiot and a fool in the WH and that we are militarily much weaker than we were under Reagan. The consequences of last year’s election just keep accruing.
More sabre-rattling by comrade Putin.
I am almost certain you are not supposed to spot them.
File picture shows a new Russian nuclear submarine, the Yuri Dolgoruky, off northern city of Arkhangelsk in July. Two Russian nuclear-powered submarines have been patrolling off the US East Coast in recent days, the first such move in several years and one that has US officials concerned, the New York Times said Wednesday.
They’re checking to see if it’s time for the invasion - has Obama softened up the defences enough yet?
We seem to have quite a few misguided dopes here.
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
Photos are from the 2008 "Victory Day" parade in Moscow:
Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008
The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.
The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the worlds press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US red line.
The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:
While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.
The quote hasnt been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.
The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.
We know where they are and are tracking them. It is great practice for us!
Unless he intends to weaken an “arrogant” America ...
Posted on Monday, July 27, 2009 11:53:03 AM ET by rrstar96
The government of Venezuela will purchase tanks from Russia to double its fleet and strengthen its armed forces. [Venezuelan] President Hugo Chávez made the announcement amid growing tensions with Colombia over its military agreement with the United States, which would allow troops from that country to operate from Colombian bases.
"We are going to bring several new tank battalions in order to double the armored force we presently have... I am not going to pay attention to what the neighbors say, or up north, forget the Yankees," said Chávez in "Hello, Theoretical President", the new version of his Sunday show.
The Venezuelan president explained that the new tanks are part of a "western shield plan" to protect the border with Colombia, from where he believes the United States is planning an offensive. ..."
Original source (in Spanish):
My main problem is not being sure if Zer0 and his "grunts" know which end of the chicken goes over the fence first.
Kyrgyzstan allowed Russia to open a second military base on its territory on Saturday, expanding Moscow's military reach to balance against the U.S. presence in the Central Asian country.
The struggle for influence in the region intensified last month -- days after U.S. President Barack Obama completed his visit to Moscow -- as senior Russian officials traveled to Bishkek to press for the creation of a new Russian base.
They were nostalgic for the days of Communism, so they wanted to see the US to remember what it was like.
I never saw that movie, but I suspect it was some Hollywood leftist’s attempt at minimizing and mocking the Russian threat.
Indeed...that’s what it was.
Don’t be silly.
We have patrolled the waters off the USSR, er, Russia since the Cold War, and we probably didn’t stop just ‘cause the Sov, er, Russkis had a temporary hiccup. We’re probably still patrolling over there, why shouldn’t they reciprocate?
Besides, outside the 13 mile limit (or is it the economic exclusion zone?), the seas are free to all, right?
As for invasions, exactly how would you move an armed force into the US, and how would you support it?
If it happens, our conquerors will be lawyers acting through our government on the behalf of the UN, backed up by our own police and “Peacekeepers” we pay to bring over...
Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:02:01 PM ET by ETL
The materials point to detailed collaborations between the guerrillas and high-ranking military and intelligence officials in Mr. Chávezs government as recently as several weeks ago, countering the presidents frequent statements that his administration does not assist the rebels. We do not protect them, he said in late July.
The new evidence drawn from computer material captured from the rebels, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC comes at a low point for ties between Venezuela and Colombia. ..."
Sorry, forgot the link:
Venezuela Still Aids Colombia Rebels, New Material Shows:
How about both?
RUSSIA WILL “LAUNCH” A MOCK NUCLEAR ATTACK AGAINST THE U.S. AND BRITAIN DURING MILITARY EXERCISES OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
MOSCOW’S NEZAVISIMAYA GAZETA REPORTS THAT RUSSIA’S STRATEGIC BOMBERS AND NUCLEAR SUBMARINES “WILL DELIVER HYPOTHETICAL NUCLEAR STRIKES ON THE U.S. AND BRITAIN, WHILE LOCATING AND DESTROYING AIRCRAFT-CARRIER GROUPS OF THE U.S. NAVY.”
“It is normal to have our submorines patrooooolling your vawters. In fact vee have von of our boats in Lake Michigan as vee speak....”
Putin is trying to push the US into recognising Georgia and nearby countries as being within Russia’s “sphere of influence”. Restraint is probably the best course of action. If Putin miscalculates (like Krushchev), he’ll go down ...unless the US rolls over.
Fine let them sail there. Its not like we don’t have about a dozen of our own SSN Attack Subs stationed off the East Coast like the USS Virginia (SSN-774). And they are Sub hunters so let the Ruskies play.
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