Skip to comments.Help show what's wrong in Salon's "Birther FAQ"
Posted on 08/05/2009 12:52:28 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
There are, sadly, a lot of Birthers out there. A recent poll showed that 11 percent of Americans -- including 28 percent of Republicans -- don't believe President Obama was born in the U.S. Another 12 percent aren't sure.
So, at some point, you're likely to find out that a friend or relative is a Birther. Your Uncle Floyd will forward you a chain e-mail that says Obama was actually born in Kenya and there's a Kenyan birth certificate that proves it and hundreds of government officials and reporters are in on a conspiracy to hide the truth of his ineligibility for the presidency from the public. And you will wonder: How can I possibly deal with all the falsehoods in this e-mail without disappearing down a rabbit hole?
Well, wonder no more. In the spirit of public service, Salon has compiled this list of the most popular Birther myths, along with all the debunking you could ever ask for. Now you can just e-mail this list to Uncle Floyd and get on with your life...
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
One of the areas that "Birthers" have mostly ignored is potentially the one that could have the greatest impact on not just this issue but many others as well: the fact that the MSM and their allies have consistely lied and misled about this issue. By pointing out those lies and misleading statements in an effective way designed to have an impact on the careers of those who aren't telling the truth, we could help force the MSM to do real reporting not just on this issue but on other issues.
What I ask you to do is to pick Salon's article apart and show how it's not reliable. And, the audience for that should be Salon's readers and other Obama supporters. You have to present a logical, valid argument that the intellectually-honest among them will believe. For instance, simply saying, "he was born in Kenya" without providing definitive proof is not a valid counter-argument. However, if Salon says something could have only happened in one way when there are other possibilities, that is a valid counter-argument. If Salon gets a fact wrong or is misleading, point that out.
I already started by showing how Alex Koppelman is lying about state officials "repeatedly affirming [the] authenticity [of the COLB on Obama's site]".
How dare we not be like leftists who believe Hussein is qualified to be president because he is black and a devout America hating, Marxist thug!
Obviously, dual citizenship isn't an barrier. After all, the dictator of East Buttfrackistan could declare that all Americans are also East Buttfrackistanis, and, bingo, we all technically have "dual citizenship" (and, if that interpretation were correct, nobody would be eligibile for the Presidency).
So we can rule that list item out in any search for potential flaws in the author's reasoning.
Frankly it also bothers me that Barry has hired terrorists, communists, tax cheats and Black nationalists to run his administration.
I make no claims at all. I only ask two very simple things.
1. Lets see the original birth certificate.
2. What citizenship did O claim when he was in college.
Thats it. Its not a claim, its a question and a rather simple question at that.
They can crank up the noise-and-fog machine all they want, crank out all the phony documents they want, run out all the flacks and hacks they want to badmouth anyone with the nerve to ask the question, but its still just a very simple question and they still can’t bring themselves to answer.
Wow. The article actually admits that what Obama has released is not his birth certificate.
It also admits that people can get what Obama released even if they were born outside of hawaii, but that it would not list Hawaii as the birthplace.
As I have stated time and time again, until someone can come forward with the same document Obama has produced and can prove they were born outside of Hawaii-this argument is going nowhere.
The anti-birthers (Obamabots) are over here using this salon article (Load of BS) crying how this is a non-issue.
The fact they spend hours claiming Certifigate is a non-issue is amusing.
Obama doesnt meet the constitutional requirements to be POTUS...
If you think he does then prove it...
Uncle Floyd thinks anyone who reads Salon.com is an asshole and is cutting you out of his will.
Teh anti-Birthers certainly do misstate a lot of things too.
Just think what would have happened if the BC flap was over GWB, Sarah Palen, etc.
Seems like theyve been too long in the saloon
Seems to me that Salon has done a pretty good job (not perfect) on the myths.
At least it’s a commmon sensical enough approach that most people will buy. Unfortunately, it will never settle for the 10% that just won’t let this go.
Meanwhile, we suffer as conservatives because more and more libs get into office due to more and more conservatives being painted as cranks for believing in this nonsense.
I wish the author, however, would have some moral honesty and talk about how almost 40% of Democrats believed Bush and the gov’t knew about the 9/11 attacks.
I except his premise that the birthers situation is a far right fringe group that believes in this nonsense, but a far far far larger group of liberal nutjobs bought into the 9/11 garbage.
The first paragraph is wrong.
The state of Hawaii to my knowledge has not commented on the authenticity of the COLB, only stated that they've seen and inspected the still undisclosed long form.
Ding ding ding +10000. We have a winner!!!
But the state of Hawaii has commented that he was born in Hawaii....they’ve publicly stated it TWICE now.
assume...Obama could ...show it to reporters. Shouldn't he? Maybe not...; to cave in to the Birthers' demands now would legitimize them.
Huh? Seems to me it would shut them up for good. How do you figure that such a humiliation would legitimize them?
And some of its leaders wouldn't cease their quest even if they were given the original birth certificate
Maybe not the leaders, but it'd put the matter to rest for me, and for just about everyone else. You can't be much of a leader if no one follows, as 0 is starting to learn.
Birthers have a long list of other demands. Here's one...Read it, and abandon all hope: ...
* Passport files
* University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
* Harvard Law Review articles
* Harvard Law School records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia University senior thesis, "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"...etc.
Actually, I'd forgo the birth certificate if you'd just show me his Harvard articles and Chicago Law school articles. Why were public docs sequestered? If we knew what these revealed about his thinking, we could weep together.
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