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Obamacare: Where Have We Seen That Symbol Before?
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Posted on 08/05/2009 2:33:47 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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I didn't make this. But I do find the parallels...interesting.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: art; bhohealthcare; health; obama; obamacare; plantationhealthcare
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1 posted on 08/05/2009 2:33:47 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The health care caduceus is thousands of years older than that Nazi tat. It is funny though *grin*


2 posted on 08/05/2009 2:35:06 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: TomOnTheRun

But the “O” at the bottom clinches it.


3 posted on 08/05/2009 2:37:12 PM PDT by DadOfFive (Please....nobody tell Obama what comes after a "trillion".)
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To: freekitty; 2ndDivisionVet; Atom Smasher; Nachum; samtheman; ZULU; justiceseeker93; ElkGroveDan; ...

PING


4 posted on 08/05/2009 2:38:02 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: TomOnTheRun
"The health care caduceus is thousands of years older than that Nazi tat. It is funny though *grin*"

I wonder what you really are grinning about?

The caduceus didn't come designed with globe/circle attached to the bottom of it like the Nazi emblem.

5 posted on 08/05/2009 2:39:10 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Yes, but Hussein and his lame propaganda ministers decided to put HIS campaign logo underneath the caduceus.

Just like another fascist and HIS propaganda ministers put their symbol underneath their bird.

And come to think of it, weren’t the Nazis also borrowing from an ancient symbol—the phoenix?


6 posted on 08/05/2009 2:41:45 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: DadOfFive
Ehhhhhh... not sure about that. I'm an artist. There are only so many ways you can arrange composition and have it be simple AND appealing AND clear AND powerful AND inspiring. On top of that the Nazi's were kinda brilliant at making and using powerful symbols. They used a lot of the best arrangements for a lot of things already.

I'll go as far as to say this is hilarious but not that I find it sinister.
7 posted on 08/05/2009 2:42:02 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: nralife

I know the snake symbol on the caduceus...but what are the wings?


8 posted on 08/05/2009 2:42:35 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: nralife

curious...


9 posted on 08/05/2009 2:43:09 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: Recovering_Democrat
yeah...

... it's called the Caduceus. It's been around for some 6000 years. Nice try.

10 posted on 08/05/2009 2:45:59 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: nralife
I wonder what you really are grinning about?

I'm grinning because I find the similarities between the symbols amusing. If you sent this image to the graphic designer that worked on this logo he would probably sputter and get angry. He probably thought he was being original. Lol.

The caduceus didn't come designed with globe/circle attached to the bottom of it like the Nazi emblem.

The caduceus being combined with the O for Obama is the point of graphic/logo design. It's combining an old symbol with a new. He's bringing you new health care. So the caduceus comes out of the O. This is what logo and graphic design work IS. I've certainly seen worse in my time.
11 posted on 08/05/2009 2:47:11 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Weird. When I look at it I keep envisioning a skull wearing a tricorn cap.


12 posted on 08/05/2009 2:47:12 PM PDT by mdk1960
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I know the snake symbol on the caduceus...but what are the wings?

They appear to be standard fare:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=caduceus+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

13 posted on 08/05/2009 2:49:05 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I know the snake symbol on the caduceus...but what are the wings?

The wings are for Hermes the healer - from Greek mythology. Hermes was supposed to be very very fast and had winged sandals.
14 posted on 08/05/2009 2:49:38 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: TomOnTheRun
"The caduceus being combined with the O for Obama is the point of graphic/logo design."

Yes, that is your story now that you have been called out on your comments. Strange...

15 posted on 08/05/2009 2:54:04 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: mdk1960

Looks like a gorilla face inside the lower circle.


16 posted on 08/05/2009 2:54:33 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: TomOnTheRun

I would presume the snakes are from the Exodous story of G-d healing people who looked at the curled bronze snake staff of Moses.


17 posted on 08/05/2009 2:56:40 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I like the ghost images of all the euthanasia victims in the logo background.


18 posted on 08/05/2009 2:56:47 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Obama--POtuS.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

What do the three stars represent?


19 posted on 08/05/2009 2:56:56 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Fasten your seat-belts we been down down this road before.

20 posted on 08/05/2009 2:57:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (...and never forget that!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

By the way Recovering: I agree, 0bama’s Administration is as close to the NAZI as the world has seen since WW2!


21 posted on 08/05/2009 2:57:26 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

I know it is the caduceus, chief.

I just find it curious...Hussein’s design also parallels the nazis.

The nazi eagle was also a precursor of the Phoenix symbol, was it not?

B’sides, I’m only puttin’ it out there for discussion. ;)


22 posted on 08/05/2009 2:58:08 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Toespi

My guess is the Third Reich is what is represented by the three stars. ;-)


23 posted on 08/05/2009 2:58:59 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat


Funny, I was just yesterday messing around with Photoshop and posted this in another thread.

24 posted on 08/05/2009 3:01:19 PM PDT by red-dawg (If you don't like the constitution, move to a country with one you like. LEAVE OURS ALONE.)
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To: Jewbacca
Not exactly. It was probably purely pagan in origin. It's association with healing came long long after the the symbol had already been around. Hermes was originally a god of commerce ... he didn't become associate with healing until much much later.

There is a different name for the staff you mention ... I can't remember it now. I only know about the caduceus because I've used it in artwork I've made for a doctor's office. Wish I could help more.
25 posted on 08/05/2009 3:02:19 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Recovering_Democrat

26 posted on 08/05/2009 3:02:52 PM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Here's the two together:


27 posted on 08/05/2009 3:04:38 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: nralife
Yes, that is your story now that you have been called out on your comments. Strange...

No - That's my story as an artist that has designed logos for people and has a lot of interest in graphic design. Dude - it's right there in my profile. I'm an artist and I own an art gallery. Don't take my word for it - cotact some logo designers on the web and see what they say.
28 posted on 08/05/2009 3:05:18 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: SC DOC

Ahahahah. This is a good one. Kudos.


29 posted on 08/05/2009 3:06:32 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Recovering_Democrat
That is the most frightening thing I've ever seen. I'm reminded of boxcars looking at the shadow ghost people in the background.
30 posted on 08/05/2009 3:08:12 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: TomOnTheRun

It’s the Nehustan in Hebrew at least.

I don’t know the English word.


31 posted on 08/05/2009 3:13:20 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Not sure about you, newbie.


32 posted on 08/05/2009 3:14:24 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: TomOnTheRun
"No - That's my story as an artist that has designed logos for people and has a lot of interest in graphic design. Dude - it's right there in my profile. I'm an artist and I own an art gallery. Don't take my word for it - cotact some logo designers on the web and see what they say. "

The fact that you ARE an artist is not helping your case. An artist would right away notice the similarities between the two designs... but rather, you tried to simply pass off the similarities due to the caduceus being thousands of years old.

Keep digging. These red herrings are starting to smell.

33 posted on 08/05/2009 3:14:35 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: bgill

“So... Is It Safe?”
Line from the dental torturer in “The Running Man”


34 posted on 08/05/2009 3:15:09 PM PDT by Eagletest
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To: theDentist

You must be a doctor, Dentist.


35 posted on 08/05/2009 3:19:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Well, I don’t remember the caduseus having the Obama “O” logo on it before. In fact, i dont remember any other president HAVING a personal logo.


36 posted on 08/05/2009 3:21:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Seniors, Step right this way for your free healthcare


37 posted on 08/05/2009 3:24:07 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TomOnTheRun

“I’m an artist.”

Ok artist, what president’s have had a personal symbol, like the “O” logo attached to everything they do? Sure is Hitleresque if you open your eyes. Next you can talk to us about all the adoration Obama art. Always done in an ersatz Soviet or style, complete with dramatic gazes towards the horizon.


38 posted on 08/05/2009 3:25:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I believe the wings represent the god Hermes who was the patron of medicine. He is the guy with the wings on his heels.


39 posted on 08/05/2009 4:00:02 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it.

They failed and it closed.

Now we are trusting the economy of our country, our banking system, our auto industry and now, possibly our health care to the same assholes who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!

40 posted on 08/05/2009 4:06:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: DesertRhino
You guys are all wrong. The symbol in the logo with the two snakes entwined about a winged rod is a caduceus, but it is not the symbol of "Hermes, god of healing". It is in fact the Rod of Hermes -- who was the god of commerce (and of gamblers and thieves).

The symbol of medicine is the Rod of Asklepius, son of Apollo, who was the god of medicine and healing. The association of the snake-and-stick symbol with healing goes all the way back to Biblical times (Numbers 21:6).

Remember: two snakes = Caduceus/Rod of Hermes, god of commerce; one snake = Rod of Asklepius, god of medicine.

41 posted on 08/05/2009 4:09:36 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Texan. Monarchist. Any questions?)
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To: nralife
he fact that you ARE an artist is not helping your case. An artist would right away notice the similarities between the two designs... but rather, you tried to simply pass off the similarities due to the caduceus being thousands of years old. Keep digging. These red herrings are starting to smell.

Actually - that is exactly what I did. Literally. I commented on the similarities. The symbol was clearly drawn from the caduceus and not the Nazi military symbol. The Obamacare logo very very clearly uses a staff surmounted by wings with coiled snakes - a symbol associated with health care for about 2,000 years... It's not using an eagle or a phoenix as the Nazi's did. Think what you will about red herrings. I, frankly, don't care. Take something like this to the general public and be laughed out of the room if you want. I'm confident enough in my interpretation.
42 posted on 08/05/2009 4:23:54 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: DesertRhino
Well, I don’t remember the caduseus having the Obama “O” logo on it before. In fact, i dont remember any other president HAVING a personal logo.

KNow - the caduceus wouldn't have had the Obama logo before. That's just it - they are trying to associate health care and Obama and make it a positive association.

You are right about American president not having personal logos before but it's a trend we've been building up to before now with campaign images and slogans. I don't like it but it's probably a trend that will stick around for at least 60-100 years. Obama was just the first one to do it well. I doubt he will be the last. Market branding, logos, process workflows - all of these things are being taken out of the corporate world and adapted for use in politics.
43 posted on 08/05/2009 4:27:23 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: DesertRhino
Ok artist, what president’s have had a personal symbol, like the “O” logo attached to everything they do? Sure is Hitleresque if you open your eyes. Next you can talk to us about all the adoration Obama art. Always done in an ersatz Soviet or style, complete with dramatic gazes towards the horizon.

I commented on another post about this. You are also correct that he is the first president to continue using his campaign logos after the campaign is ended but it's a trend we've been working to for a long time. Logo, branding, focus polling, process workflows, even color psychology ... all of these things are being taken from corporate world and adapted for politics. I think this trend is here to stay for a while. I expect in the next hundred years we'll be deciding whether or not to vote for the Tastycrat or the Fingerlican.
44 posted on 08/05/2009 4:31:43 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Can ANYBODY say why it is fringe or suspect for me to say it is more likely that the logo designer is trying to link this with a caduceus - a symbol of healthcare for 2000 years - rather than the Nazis given that this is supposed to be a logo for a healthcare program? That symbol is EVERYWHERE around hospitals. Hasn’t anybody here watched Grey’s Anatomy or ER?


45 posted on 08/05/2009 4:47:10 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: B-Chan
who was the god of commerce (and of gamblers and thieves).

YOu are quite correct. I did say in an earlier post that he was a god of commerce but he does become associated with healing later on long after this symbol was created. The symbol comes with him. Hermes was pretty persistent - he later morphs into other things like Hermes Trismagistus and such. A google image search for caduceus brings up a LOT of websites for Hospitals and M.D.s
46 posted on 08/05/2009 4:50:15 PM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Caducus AKA Rod of Hermes. The wings and serpents come from Hermes AKA Mercury. In America it is often used instead of the Rod of Asclepius which has only one serpent and no wings.

Asclepius was the Greek god of healing.

47 posted on 08/05/2009 5:01:32 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Recovering_Democrat

strikes me as narcissistic
break out the Greek columns


48 posted on 08/05/2009 5:36:06 PM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: TomOnTheRun
Can ANYBODY say why it is fringe or suspect for me to say it is more likely that the logo designer is trying to link this with a caduceus - a symbol of healthcare for 2000 years - rather than the Nazis given that this is supposed to be a logo for a healthcare program?

BECAUSE, it doesn't have to be an either or situation.


49 posted on 08/05/2009 5:45:22 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Tom, I’m not arguing with your points. You made some very good ones.

I just find it interesting—the two do remind me of each other. That is all.

I do think there are other similarities in how each party views the use of authority and power, too. And to see the art drawing a parallel, I just thought it was curious.

I certainly do believe the designer had a caduceus in mind when making the logo...but similarities in mindset can also create a similarity in design sometimes, too, don’t you think? :)

Just a thought. I have not attacked you in the least...I appreciate your contributions to the thread.

RD


50 posted on 08/05/2009 6:45:11 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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