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AARP members against Obama on his health care package: Town Hall meeting did not help (with video)
Examiner Washington, D.C. ^ | August 6, 2009 | L. Steven Sieden

Posted on 08/06/2009 9:26:45 AM PDT by La Lydia

Although, President Barack Obama participated in an AARP Town Hall to promote his health care reform, his appearance was not a success among members of the powerful AARP. Comments posted by AARP members indicate they are far from assured by Obama or his message. Most comments show a continued distrust of Obama's assurances that Medicare will be protected and that health care will be better.

Baby boomers who now hold a great deal of power in the AARP and among voters, just don't want their entitlements smaller. Never mind, that they are the only group of Americans who have what Obama (and "we the people") really wants – universal health care for all Americans. Here is a typical AARP comment,

"I don't care if it is from the democrats or the republicans, the government cannot give us better health care. And more importantly, as soon as we look to government to take care of use we have made a tacit agreement to give the government control over all aspects of our lives. It is like making a deal with the Devil."

The majority of the comments oppose health care reform in the form that Obama has attempted to use, driving down costs by making health care delivery more efficient and giving Americans the option of choosing between private insurers and a government-run plan. The elderly have the same universal health care that is the birthright of people in every developed nation except the United States, and they are doing all that they can to protect their entitlement. Even if it means working to keep that same benefit from other Americans...

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; aarp; bho44; bhohealthcare; democrats; greedygeezers; healthcare; medicare; obama; obamacare; obamatownhalls; plantationhealthcare; socialism; socializedmedicine; townhalls
Oh dear. So the new Obamacare talking point is "selfishness." Restless, greedy geezers don't get the AARP talking points.
1 posted on 08/06/2009 9:26:45 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

I am of age but refuse to join AARP. They are currently a Leftist, agenda-driven Lobby. They can keep their damn movie discounts, nothing in Hollywood worth seeing anyway (’cept Gran Torino)


2 posted on 08/06/2009 9:29:34 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: La Lydia

>> Restless, greedy geezers don’t get the AARP talking points.

I guess not.

They do, however, VOTE. Reliably. In large numbers.

I bet a year ago many of them voted for Bambi and (D) congresscritters. I further bet that if this health care monstrosity passes, most of ‘em won’t make THAT mistake again!


3 posted on 08/06/2009 9:30:59 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: La Lydia
Technology may have outstripped government-controlled media and government-school propaganda, allowing America's ordinary citizens--"We, the People"--using common sense and technology, to figure out that their freedom and liberty are threatened. That's what the so-called Tea Parties are demonstrating. Even Seniors (AARP members) use the Internet) and are becoming knowledgeable and vocal about violations of their freedom.

By doing so, those who wish to enslave us through accumulating all power in Washington are meeting strong and unexpected resistance to their massive power grab. This is what the Founders intended when they structured a government (Constitution) for a free people. It required a vigilant and informed electorate.

The following essay, reprinted with permission, is from a 1987 book entitled, "Our Ageless Constitution."

An Enlightened, Committed People Who Understand The Principles Of Our Constitution

- The Most Effective Means Of Preserving Liberty

"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant - they have been cheated; asleep - they have been surprised; divided - the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ...the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it.... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free." James Madison

"America's Constitution is the means by which knowledgeable and free people, capable of self-government, can bind and control their elected representatives in government. In order to remain free, the Founders said, the people themselves must clearly understand the ideas and principles upon which their Constitu­tional government is based. Through such understanding, they will be able to prevent those in power from eroding their Constitutional protections.

"The Founders established schools and seminaries for the distinct purpose of instilling in youth the lessons of history and the ideas of liberty. And, in their day, they were successful. Tocqueville, eminent French jurist, traveled America and in his 1830's work, DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA, wrote:

".every citizen ... is taught . the doctrines and the evidences of his religion, the history of his country, and the leading features of its Constitution ... it is extremely rare to find a man imperfectly acquainted with all these things, and a person wholly ignorant of them is a sort of phenomenon."

"On the frontier, he noted that "...no sort of comparison can be drawn between the pioneer and the dwelling that shelters him.... He wears the dress and speaks the language of the cities; he is acquainted with the past, curious about the future, and ready for argument about the present.... I do not think that so much intellectual activity exists in the most enlightened and populous districts of France' " He continued, "It cannot be doubted that in the United States the instruction of the people powerfully contri­butes to the support of the democratic republic; and such must always be the case...where the instruction which enlightens the understanding is not separated from the moral education.."

"Possessing a clear understanding of the failure of previous civilizations to achieve and sustain freedom for individuals, our forefathers discovered some timeless truths about human nature, the struggle for individual liberty, the human tendency toward abuse of power, and the means for curbing that tendency through Constitutional self-government. Jefferson's Bill For The More General Diffusion Of Knowledge For Virginia declared:

"...experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate...the minds of the people...to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth. History, by apprizing them of the past, will enable them to judge of the future...it will qualify them judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views.."

"Education was not perceived by the Founders to be a mere process for teaching basic skills. It was much, much more. Educa­tion included the very process by which the people of America would understand and be able to preserve their liberty and secure their Creator-endowed rights. Understanding the nature and origin of their rights and the means of preserving them, the people would be capable of self government, for they would recognize any threats to liberty and "nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud." (Adams)

 


4 posted on 08/06/2009 9:31:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: La Lydia

This AARP member says: FUBO!!!!!


5 posted on 08/06/2009 9:31:26 AM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Geo The Engineer so smart, he doesn't need a TelePrompter to speak. Unlike the AH:-))
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To: La Lydia
Wow....

Nice of the Examiner to hide their State Run Media connection...........

6 posted on 08/06/2009 9:32:25 AM PDT by Osage Orange (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. - Will Rogers)
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To: La Lydia

It’d be swell to see just what AARPers really think. Any way to tabulate legit responses? How did AARP pick the zombies who attended the poser’s infomercial? I’m AARP eligible but wouldn’t joint it if my life depended...


7 posted on 08/06/2009 9:32:29 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SueRae

I, too, refused to join. I told them on the phone they were a Lefty organization and all I got was double-talk.


8 posted on 08/06/2009 9:33:05 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SueRae

>> I am of age but refuse to join AARP.

Yeah, me too, but only barely (I feel obliged to point that out. :-0 )

Never could figure out what AARP can do for me exactly. And you’re 100% right, they’re 150% socialist.

For cheaper motel reservations, I have my AA card. Or is it AAA. I keep getting those two confused.


9 posted on 08/06/2009 9:33:12 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: SueRae

I have been thinking about going to see Julia & Julia.


10 posted on 08/06/2009 9:34:38 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: SueRae

We dropped our membership when the new CEO took over and came up with a new mission statement that was totally socialist. We did not agree with it and told AARP that is why we will not renew.


11 posted on 08/06/2009 9:37:47 AM PDT by indyhome
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To: loveliberty2

One need only read the words of Madison, Jefferson and their contemporaries to realize that, while we may now possess technical and scientific knowledge not even dreamed of in the day of the founders, we have lost something far more valuable. Most writing today compares to theirs as a one foot pine seedling compares to a mature redwood tree.

I seldom find room for misunderstanding in the writings of the founders but today we have “judges” who can find license for evil in words that clearly condemn it.


12 posted on 08/06/2009 9:44:10 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: La Lydia

It’s been so long ago now that the AARP began to harrass my wife and myself to join up that they have finally given up it seems. Haven’t heard from them in a number of years which is perhaps the one thing we can appreciate about them.

We think it sucks they have access to the information that led them to our door in the first place.

Yup, It does appear the talking points are to be another lie.

We’d like to see more emphasis in the fight against the disease of Leftism on the lying aspect of their perpetual assaults upon our intelligence. These people of the Leftistsphere need to be exposed for what they are.


13 posted on 08/06/2009 9:44:35 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: La Lydia
They are currently a Leftist, agenda-driven Lobby

Always has been, 17 years ago when I was being hit on to join (at 50 like most of you), I knew it then, it's only gotten worse. Those shuffleboard playing dweebs voted en masse for this clown, don't kid yourself. Now there may be buyer's remorse but I think poster #3 (and many others) has it right.

After my artwork with a Marks-a-lot on their membership request and envelope, I have not received another single piece of paper from them. (black border, skull and crossbones with "SOCIALISTS!" in the middle of the form).

Fight back folks, don't sell your country out for a stupid "discount" at the motel you stay in on vacation or any other "benefit" including their insurance. By supporting AARP you are selling out your country, well, OUR country...

14 posted on 08/06/2009 9:49:54 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: La Lydia

Interesting how all of these groups who were instrumental in getting Obama elected and were fine with him saying anything necessary to win are now getting upset when they discover that he’s lied to THEM too.


15 posted on 08/06/2009 9:51:53 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: RipSawyer
You are correct in your comparison of today's writing with that of the founding generation, despite technology.

You understand, I'm certain, that my point in the previous post is that today's technology is enabling the citizenry to be informed on matters that previously were hidden from them by politicians.

Equally important, technology (the Internet and personal computers) has outstripped the ability of the "censors" to hide the ideas of America's founders.

What the censors have stripped from the textbooks is now online for anybody to read! What one previously would have had to find in the musty stacks in some remote library now can be read by the simple click of a mouse. The religious ideas of America's Founders, so carefully culled and removed from the textbooks and library shelves, can be read by a Google search by word, phrase, or name!

That is scary for the Left, and it is causing them to be nervous and defensive. They may even have to reveal their hand and admit that today's so-called "liberal" positions are not so liberal after all. They are simply "tyranny" called by another name.

16 posted on 08/06/2009 9:58:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: brushcop
Fight back folks, don't sell your country out for a stupid "discount" at the motel you stay in on vacation or any other "benefit" including their insurance. By supporting AARP you are selling out your country, well, OUR country

Right On! I had to inform my neighbor who for her 1st time voted against Barry but who is a 100% women libber that Pro Choice rules all. She voted McCane because of health care but still belongs to this AARP. We had a discussion last week again on this socialist organization. She still can't follow the dots.

17 posted on 08/06/2009 10:02:32 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: La Lydia

The next time I get a request that I join AARP I am going to write a note not supporting government healthcare and send it back in the prepaid envelope. Let them pay for my opinion.


18 posted on 08/06/2009 10:08:32 AM PDT by BeckB
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To: loveliberty2

Hear! Hear! Excellent points! They dare not tell the truth about their intentions.


19 posted on 08/06/2009 10:11:59 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: La Lydia; SueRae; Nervous Tick; BunnySlippers

*groan* Where is the Freeper with the “Not that s**t again” picture? Baby boomers have been blamed for everything else, and now that they are left holding the bag for the Ponzi schemes of Social (in)Security and Medicare, we are being labeled as selfish and greedy.

Boomers have been paying exorbitant taxes for years to support those already on SS and Medicare, and as Margaret Thatcher has said, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t expect my kids and grandkids to pay taxes to support me and my spouse in our old age. I accept that SS is not going to be the same, and I don’t want Medicare at all, but to blame Boomers for this is just a bunch of crapola.

I could solve the problems of Social Security in an instant - make 106 the age of eligibility for benefits. That’s pretty much what they will do. The money we paid in for years is gone with the wind.


20 posted on 08/06/2009 10:20:38 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

The “Not that s**t again” picture came immediately to mind when I found this!


21 posted on 08/06/2009 10:23:48 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Getting in the face of one of the country’s most potent voting blocks and calling them “selfish”.....why, yes, I see now why this man is regarded as the most Brilliant Politician of All Time....


22 posted on 08/06/2009 10:23:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: La Lydia

Does anyone know why the AARP as an organization is for the ObamaCare plan? It clearly is not good for seniors - I just don’t get it.


23 posted on 08/06/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by unique
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To: geo40xyz

This AARP member says: FUBO!!!!!
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Why.....are.....you....a...member? Cancel, call them and tell them why. They have been in bed with the liberals for years.


24 posted on 08/06/2009 10:46:13 AM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: unique
Does anyone know why the AARP as an organization is for the ObamaCare plan? It clearly is not good for seniors - I just don’t get it.

Dementia - They've been told for so long that libs pissing on their legs is actually rain , they believe it to be true.

25 posted on 08/06/2009 10:46:48 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: N. Theknow

That too, but there seems to be such a clear disconnect between tons of members and the management of AARP. Clearly end of life ‘care’ will be rationed and access with be delayed if this monster gets a green light.


26 posted on 08/06/2009 10:57:05 AM PDT by unique
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To: mojitojoe

Because IBM dropped her and she has Kidney Cancer and AARP covers the 20% Medicare does not cover for only $155 per month......................

They will lose over a 100K this year:-()


27 posted on 08/06/2009 10:57:17 AM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Geo The Engineer so smart, he doesn't need a TelePrompter to speak. Unlike the AH:-))
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To: La Lydia
Doesn't AARP allow members as young as 50 now? If it were limited to 65+ there is no way they would be able to be so pro-Obama...

Gallup approval ratings for Obama...

Age....Approve
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18-29.....64%
30-49.....53%
50-64.....54%
65+........48%

28 posted on 08/06/2009 10:57:23 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: loveliberty2
Bravo!!! Excellent!!!

I recommend an organization called The Foundation for American Christian Education for much needed instruction on how we can begin again to educate our children in liberty, self government, and the morals and ideas of the founding fathers:

http://www.face.net/203287.ihtml

I have just rediscovered this organization (my father-in-law taught at a Principle Approach school in the early 1980s) and am committed to first educating myself, and then applying what I learn to enrich my children's education. We MUST get back to educating our children properly in morals and Biblical logic and reasoning, or each generation will continue to be at risk of losing its liberty.

This organization provides many books and materials for both adult and children's education in these topics. I personally believe every Christian church in America should use some of its funds to provide a library of such books and offer free classes to train parents in how to train their children in these principles and precepts. Another wonderful organization is the National Center for Constitutional Studies http://www.nccs.net/, which publishes The 5000 Year Leap and other great materials.


The History of the Foundation for American Christian Education

When the United States was founded, she stood on the shoulders of centuries of devoted, brave yet ordinary men and women who loved the God of the Bible and understood how to nurture one of His greatest conditional blessings to mankind, liberty. The peace, security, prosperity, integrity, and freedom that has longtime been the hallmark of the United States are all results of her distinctively Christian roots.

This simple yet profound truth was rediscovered by Verna Marie Hall. During the 1930’s, Miss Hall had been working in Roosevelt’s WPA (Works Progress Administration) distributing benefits in San Francisco: initially a great believer in government entitlements, she witnessed the effect that these programs had on those who received them. The longer an individual received government assistance, the more he adopted a subservient, helpless mindset. Once the transformation was complete, he was unlikely to return to productive independence—Miss Hall realized that the very programs developed to aid the poor were, in fact, enslaving them.

Miss Hall began to research America’s history, and she saw a great chasm between the encroaching socialism of her day and the staunch independence and self-government of America’s early Christian settlers. She found America’s Christian history documented in hundreds of founding charters and state papers, in the personal writings of the early settlers and our founding fathers; she understood that the distinctive American Christian character, the foundation of our liberty and identity as a people, was being threatened. Miss Hall undertook the great charge to remind America of her Christian history in order to motivate Americans to shore up the foundations of liberty, to restore Christian character in the individual. By the 1950’s, Miss Hall was sharing her research in Christian History Study Groups in San Francisco attended by hundreds of ordinary, liberty-loving citizens. She compiled a book of primary sources, entitled The Christian History of the Constitution of the United States, Vol. I: Christian Self-Government, that documented the history of self-government, its relationship to liberty, and its essential role in the crafting of the United States Constitution. She dedicated her book in the following manner:

This volume and those to follow are dedicated to
the Christian principle upon which this nation is founded,
and to each American of this and succeeding generations,
that he may remember his Christian heritage and live so as to
raise the standard of his Pilgrim and Puritan fathers into its
larger and fuller expression of individual liberty.

This book, first published in 1960, opened the eyes of many Americans.

One such American was Rosalie June Slater, a teacher who had come to her own understanding of the value of Christian self-government studying the contrasting educational system of the USSR. Miss Slater, passionately convicted that the key to preserving America’s future liberty lay in education, wrote a curriculum for teaching Miss Hall’s book. In her own words, “A nation which is humble enough to begin with its children in the constructing of its foundations for liberty may once again have the opportunity to lead nations to Christ.” Together, Miss Hall and Miss Slater established the Foundation for American Christian Education in 1965 to form Christian character in children and published Teaching and Learning: The Principle Approach®.

(excerpt)

29 posted on 08/06/2009 11:40:44 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: SueRae

Is there such a thing as a conservative AARP type organization?

I hear conservatives are organized now. Maybe Glenn Beck can organize us conservative old folks.


30 posted on 08/06/2009 12:07:47 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: La Lydia

Has anyone seen the Dallas AARP “listening session” on healthcare?? They aren’t listening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMNDdQ1_h0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eredstate%2Ecom%2Fmoe%5Flane%2F2009%2F08%2F06%2Fbehold%2Dthose%2Dscary%2Dscary%2Dswastika%2Dbearing%2Dastroturfers%2F&feature=player_embedded


31 posted on 08/06/2009 12:10:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: loveliberty2; Homer_J_Simpson

Its the same with history. The idea that the Catholic Church was in league with Hitler is just so wrong its crazy, there were article after article in the media in the late 30’s about the Nazi attacks on the Catholic Church.


32 posted on 08/06/2009 12:15:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: SueRae

I started getting membership applications from AARP when I was only 28 years old! (This was years ago).

I had a subscription at the time to “The Wall Street Journal.” Perhaps AARP bought their mailing list, and assumed, mistakenly, that only senior citizens subscribed to the Journal?

I want nothing to do with AARP either. Just another group of crazy lefties.


33 posted on 08/06/2009 12:17:46 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If Randy Cunningham is in prison for corruption, then why isn't Diane Feinstein locked up as well?)
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To: La Lydia

Democrat Geezers always bought the lies that the Pubbies were going to take all their goodies away......KARMA!


34 posted on 08/06/2009 12:22:34 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I’m a Boomer and almost ready to retire. But I have been saving and investing for retirement since my 20s.


35 posted on 08/06/2009 12:31:06 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: La Lydia
Baby boomers ... just don't want their entitlements smaller. Never mind, that they are the only group of Americans who have what Obama (and "we the people") really wants – universal health care for all Americans.
L. Steven Sieden is on drugs. Medicare parts A and B isn't "universal health care"
  1. Each month you still have to pay for it.
  2. Medicare doesn't cover 'everything'.
  3. No dental, no vision (Glasses or Contacts)
  4. There's an annual deductible you have to meet.
  5. They don't pay for 'it all'.
  6. You get a Bill from the Doctor for 'an office visit' - 100% of what he charges.
  7. For other things you still have to pay some of the Dr's bill.
  8. Same with Lab Tests. If it's the 'wrong code', YOU PAY 100%.
  9. And for some procedures they only pay 75%, while a private insurance co. would pay 80%.
And for part D, you have to pay a premium each month for that too - to whichever Insurance Co you sign with. The so-called 'free drugs' aren't 'Free'.
  1. For a Tier 3 drug, it's MORE expensive through 'the plan', than if you just paid retail.
  2. Some Tier 2 drugs are the same - higher than retail.
  3. And for a drug category like Valium is in, they pay ZERO, not covered, period.
  4. Thanks to Wal-Mart, with common Tier 1 drugs, like for BP, you don't even USE your part D insurance. They charge YOU $4.00 and that's that. They don't run it through Medicare.
So Medicare 'ain't' universal coverage like the monbats want or this Sieden guy says. They want to pay z-e-r-o and that ain't Medicare.
36 posted on 08/06/2009 2:17:36 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: All
The AARP organization is a tax-exempt group which collects federal funds, about $86 million annually, from direct grants for such programs as tax counseling for the elderly to providing jobs for seniors under the "Senior Environmental Employment Program." Simpson rightfully raised the question over the use of a non-profit status for a group which makes millions selling its members medicine, insurance, and other products.

An alternate to AARP is the 60 Plus Association. They stand for free enterprise, less government and less taxes for seniors and neither takes nor seeks federal grants.

Link to 60 Plus Org

37 posted on 08/06/2009 2:26:30 PM PDT by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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