Skip to comments.Birth certificate : Where's the evidence ?
Posted on 08/06/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by RobinMasters
The cacophony is growing.
There is a din of media outrage being expressed.
Pundits and talking heads are losing their heads not to mention their cool.
It's not health care.
It's not cap and trade.
It's not even whether Barack Obama thinks black people are always right and cops are always wrong.
It's whether the man sitting in the White House for the last six months is constitutionally eligible.
About three months ago, some of you will remember, I set out to make this happen. I launched a billboard campaign with just this goal in mind raising the visibility of the story, which had been all but forgotten because of the bailouts, the stimulus packages and the government grab for power under the new regime.
"Where's the birth certificate?" was the campaign. Many of you criticized me for the choice of words. Yet, you bought up the bumper stickers by the tens of thousands. You erected the yard signs and held up the rally signs at tea parties. And you supported the billboard effort with financial contributions.
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But I thought Joe was telling us there would be HUGE news on the BC issue this week.
(Where is Larry Nichols when you really need him?)
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
By the time the birth certificate is actually produced, no one will believe it’s validity anyway. That way, the white house can just sit back and say those that questioned the bc really are crazy, because I produced it, and now no one believes it.
Where's the BC's indeed, WND?
I agree with Robin. I think we need to get off of this issue, as it’s starting to make us look like we’re just out to get Obama no matter what. He’s giving us plenty of other issues that are easy to make something of and not come off just looking like sore losers to the uninformed. We spent a lot of time on Whitewater during the Clinton years and in the end, nobody really cared, but it made us look bad.
Why are you asking WND where Obama’s B/C is?
IMO, he is an ‘Anchor Baby’.
Imagine how many BC you could buy for the price of just one $65m Gulfstream 550 jet.
If you are trying to convince people that we should weigh appearance over the Constitution, you're on the wrong web site.
There is no reason to get off this issue, just don’t be rabid about it. A president should want to produce his qualifying documents because he should want to celebrate our constitution. If he doesn’t then it is an issue and should not be swept away because it makes you look a certain way.
I cannot imagine Jeffereson, Adams and Franklin saying “We should ditch the pursuit of happiness line because it makes us look kooky”. Either you stand on principles (all of your principles), or you don’t. They are not negotiable based on how they make you appear. On our principles, we must, as they said, hang together or most assuradely we will all hang separately.
Unfortunately, I believe there are many that really are out to get him, no matter what. You’re right, it really doesn’t make us look good at all. I think it was all planned. Whether the birth certificate exists or not, it won’t change anything. What will change things, are the elections in 2010 and 2012.
What solution could realistically be forced?
At this point in time or in the future, if a birth certificate were produced, how could it’s validity be verified?
He’s already produced the document you get for the $12.50 (or whatever the fee is).
Basically what you are asking, is to not persue Certifigate because no one cares. I care! I have been called idiot, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy maker, racist and worse over just wanting the truth.
We can fight for conservative values on all the legislation being jammed down our necks, but I for one want this issue resolved. It is total BS that he is able to get away with a COLB that was only submitted to the registrar and no real authentication as to what is the vital record.
I will look stupid for you...OK? You are excused from wanting the truth and the Constitution being held to higher standards.
Personally I think he scammed the system with multiple identities. And his vital records would go a long way in clearing up questions about the bogus potus that he will never admit to.
You are getting to the heart of the matter. Those who don’t believe that the birth certificate abstract issued by the government of Hawaii is a true reflection of the content of the original documents, will not believe in the validity of what is purported to be a copy of the original documents when presented by the very same Hawaiian officials whose word they will not take about the validity of the abstract. At least they shouldn’t. Because if they’re lying about whether the information on the abstract is the same as that on the original documents, they wouldn’t hesitate to produce a forgery.
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Because you say the pre printed form has been superimposed over the signature does not make it so. This is simply the process of fading over the years, where the ink would fade at a different rate when written over a non-absorbent commercial printer generated typeface. In fact it would be suspicious if the fading had been uniform over those different surfaces.
It is obvious that the ink has faded on the Australian one after 40 odd years and was written with a fountain pen, but the Obama one looks pristine and written with a ballpoint pen, which was considered déclassé in 1964. No Civil Servant of Britain or the ex Colonies at that time would consider signing an official document with a ballpoint pen. They would not even let you take examinations using a ballpoint pen.
Of course the typewritten font was more genuine on the Australian one for that era too.
Just taking a glance at the original it seems to me that it is printed in 8 1/2" by 11" paper, Standard American stock whereas European standard stock is A4, 210 x 297mm a little longer and a little narrower. So I doubt if this is a copy of the actual printed form from Kenya.
The Australian raised seal is off center, readable and initialed which would be normal for a hand stamped document. The other seal on the Obama document is perfectly centered, unreadable and not initialed which would be more likely on a fake.
But seriously folks... I really do hope you 'Birthers' don't give up on your quest for truth that isn't true. It irritates the left-wing to no end and it keeps them on edge thinking that somehow their 'anointed one' will be removed from office. I kind of fear that too though, because god knows that as bad as Barry O is at running the world, Biden would be an even bigger disaster at running it.
“What solution could realistically be forced?”
Exactly! The only thing Joe has in his arsenal, by his own admission, is to yell real loud. I can’t imagine anything more stupid.
“Hes already produced the document you get for the $12.50 (or whatever the fee is).”
OK, I’ll bite. Who has already produced what document and where?
Exactly. The only people that could vouch for it’s validity, are the one’s we don’t believe.
Not so much stupid, as sadly true, I’m afraid. I think we just will have to wait this one out, and trust in God and America.
Senator Schumer on McCain’s Cancer and Medical Records
HYPOCRITE ..TRANSPARENCY DODGER
Harry Reid calling for transpancey when running for Presidency
This story needs to stay alive. If the Saul Alinsky types think this is going to backfire, they’re right. It’s going to backfire on them! Add up the public anger at the government’s taking over the healthcare industry with the anger about Barack Obama’s either lying about his birth or hiding something (along with just about everything else about the man) and with people’s general suspicion of government activities and, unless ZERO institutes marshall law - he’s going to lose in 2012 because he only won by a fairly small margin in 2008.
Keep the fight going... Stopping the government’s takeover of health care is much more important than the birth certificate (only so because the Democrats want govt control of healthcare - they just thought ZERO would be a winning charmer) in the long run.
If only we had a politician working to remove government from health care and return to a market-driven health industry.
People keep saying he should pay the $12.50 (or $10, or $20, or whatever was in the last post they read) and produce his birth certificate. But the document you get from the state when you pay that fee is precisely the one he already provided and was posted online. Have you not seen it?
the W is different also.
Both pictures, I am sure, have been re sized for display on computer screens and could even have a slightly different aspect ratio converting from different picture formats and cameras. Even the DPI may be different from the originals. I screen captured my results at 120 but have posted them here at 72.
You no doubt have better eye sight than I have but I cannot see any difference that cannot be explained.
Even the copy of letter he displayed was not the final one sent to Orly, he probably made dozens to complete the fake.
...its starting to make us look like were just out to get Obama no matter what...
If you are trying to convince people that we should weigh appearance over the Constitution, you're on the wrong web site.
SEEMS AS IF JOHNCHICK IS A SUBVERSIVE or a cop-out--both unwelcome
I am curious. Why would the constitutional succession being followed be bad for us and not be a valid result of exposing fraud? Why is getting the information that has been hidden, including that concerning the actual birth certificate, not “legal?” Are you ignorant of the number of freedom of information suits about these matters that are in progress? Why are they not complementary to other kinds of litigation that will force out the information that is being concealed and misrepresented? Where did Farah say that the strategy was to yell real loud?
“Why would the constitutional succession being followed be bad for us and not be a valid result of exposing fraud?”
I have no problem with that.
“Why is getting the information that has been hidden, including that concerning the actual birth certificate, not ‘legal?’”
I don’t believe I said that.
“Are you ignorant of the number of freedom of information suits about these matters that are in progress? Why are they not complementary to other kinds of litigation that will force out the information that is being concealed and misrepresented?”
I believe I said I was all for that.
“Where did Farah say that the strategy was to yell real loud?”
From the article I cited: “...the only way we would ever get to the truth would be if the American people rose up and demanded it. No courts of law were going to weigh the evidence objectively and rule justly.”
Joseph said that he believes the courts will lie; or am I misreading this statement? In lieu of court (legal) action, he is relying on the American people “demanding” the truth. I’m interpreting that as “yell real loud”.
The “birthers” are in quite a predicament. If a real long-form birth certificate were produced today, they would not believe it legitimate. Why? Because too much time has lapsed during which a perfect forgery may have been produced. (Soros has LOTS of money.)
They have become like the truthers in responding to every answer with a new question. Nothing will please them. When it was pointed out that this issue was started by a nefarious Hillary operative they shrug. “Hillary,” they say, “only dropped the matter ‘cause she realized she was going to lose.” This, in true truther form, defies logic, in my estimation, because the money was there, the investigators were there, and the motive stood large before them. If you think you’re gonna lose, and you have a stick of dynamite, you throw the dynamite. No? The birthers, however, simply ignore the logical argument and create an alternative scenario.
I believe that the courts are the ONLY way that this matter will be resolved. Joseph says they won’t rule honestly. He may be right. If he is, to me the case is closed and we take all this birther energy and apply it to defeating every Democrat and RINO in the house and senate. To Joseph, however, we continue to yell real loud about the BC.
Right. That’ll scare ‘em.