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The Public Plan Deception - It's Not About Choice (email to friends)
NRO-The Corner ^ | 08.06.09 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 08/06/2009 1:09:35 PM PDT by rvoitier

It's Not a Trojan Horse, It's Just a Horse Called Single Payer [Jonah Goldberg]

I saw this Jacob Hacker clip yesterday on Beck. It may be old news to lots of people, but I'd never seen it before. You can find it around 1:46 but the whole thing is worth watching

(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda; bhohealthcare; healthcare; obamacare; plantationhealthcare; publicoption; singlepayer; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 08/06/2009 1:09:35 PM PDT by rvoitier
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To: rvoitier

The Trojan MULE... (democrat party)


2 posted on 08/06/2009 1:27:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: rvoitier
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560849/UK-cancer-survival-rate-lowest-in-Europe.html


3 posted on 08/06/2009 1:43:45 PM PDT by fso301
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To: rvoitier
Frankly, I'd like to see Health Insurance moved out of the employer based model. Why not just open it up and let folks buy their own health care from whatever companies are allowed to operate in their states? There could be a way set up to help, by means of tax credits for those who, because of pre-existing conditions, could not get health insurance, except at an exorbitantly large cost. The coverage would still be from a private insurer, but they could get help for the cost. Same thing for those families who make too much for Medicaid, but not enough to purchase full coverage for their families, on their own.

There should be a way for folks to be able to get private health insurance, at decent rates, but NOT connected to an employer, so that it is portable. And it should also allow for folks to get high deductible plans, without Prescription Drug coverage, if they prefer that, along with Health Savings Accounts, from which they can pay for their routine physicals, tests, and medicines. If they are not paying $10K a year on health insurance, but instead, maybe $6K or $7K, they could put the balance in the Savings Account and use that money for those day to day out of pocket expenses.

4 posted on 08/06/2009 2:04:32 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: neverdem; socialismisinsidious

This is AWESOME. Please ping.


5 posted on 08/06/2009 2:06:22 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: SuziQ

And how about clinics opening in Wal-Mart or any other place that want to discount service but can’t because of government mandates? The doctor who wanted a monthly fee to see his patients has been denied to open his clinic. As an employer of a small business, my insurance rates are ridiculous and go up everytime an employee hits age 40 or heaven forbid, 50. I hate it, but I do not hate it enough to give my health care over to the likes of Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel who will determine I have no social benefit to society (i.e., vote Democrat) so therefore I should be denied care for whatever ails me. If we shop for cars, food, clothing and try to find the best deals, why can’t we shop for health care??? Are we just too stupid to do anything for ourselves anymore???


6 posted on 08/06/2009 2:10:34 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Health "care" - by the same folks who run Amtrak and the post office)
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To: MarMema

thanks, bfl


7 posted on 08/06/2009 2:32:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: rvoitier

8 posted on 08/06/2009 3:00:46 PM PDT by Howie
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To: hosepipe

(The Trojan MULE... (democrat party))

That’s good, Maybe I will “borrow” that for a cartoon!


9 posted on 08/06/2009 3:03:21 PM PDT by Howie
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To: fso301

Is Canada so bad it’s not on the list??


10 posted on 08/06/2009 3:26:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Howie

I don’t get it.


11 posted on 08/06/2009 3:28:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Thanks for being honest. I will work on it.


12 posted on 08/06/2009 3:30:49 PM PDT by Howie
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To: Howie

Keep trying. You have a future at this...


13 posted on 08/06/2009 3:32:51 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: fso301
Canada's not on that list?

sw

14 posted on 08/06/2009 3:33:40 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (United We Stand)
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To: Cyber Liberty; spectre
Is Canada so bad it’s not on the list??

Actually no. The article was focused on Europe using the US as a reference. Canada seems to be better but still not as good as America. One problem with Canadian statistics is that some Canadian's head to America for diagnostic tests and treatment.

As a group, people who aggressively pursue diagnosis and treatment tend to do better. In this case, the Canadian statistics are artificially made to look better than they actually are due to some percentage of Canadians opting for "South of the border diagnosis and treatment".

http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=2f6e7d6b-5c7a-46b5-ace6-3add4ec6efd5

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7510121.stm

15 posted on 08/06/2009 4:54:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Howie

Go for it..


16 posted on 08/06/2009 7:24:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.

**This is a high volume ping list! (sign of the times)**


17 posted on 08/06/2009 7:43:50 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: MarMema

worth watching and sharing! sent it to all I know.Thanks for the ping.


18 posted on 08/06/2009 7:46:45 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: fso301

Excellent graphic - thank you!

I had a prayer request from my church for a member whose relative lives in Canada and has been told no more treatment and NO MORE MEDICINE for him and he has cancer.....the only recourse is prayer....

But when I read that -—— my blood boiled......because that is exactly what is coming here....

Leave them to suffer and die with nothing - not even the pain medicine that Obama seems to think will take care of all ills for those who do not meet the age based or health based quota.....

GRRRRR


19 posted on 08/06/2009 7:48:53 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: rvoitier

Everyone in the country needs to “sign” this petition to stop Obamacare, and his snitch program:

http://www.wnd.com/petition_health

Story:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106162


20 posted on 08/07/2009 8:30:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Cyber Liberty

“Can you hear me now?”

thanks, Howie


21 posted on 08/07/2009 12:49:02 PM PDT by Howie
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