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Obama's Imperial Decree: Target Oklahoma
Tenth Amendment Center ^ | 08-06-09 | Bryce Shonka

Posted on 08/07/2009 7:06:37 AM PDT by sovereignty2

Remember the good old days, when one only had to watch out for the Federal Government’s twisted interpretation of the commerce clause to justify tyranny?

Well those days seem to be long gone. The Obama Administration has been employing an old tactic lately – what some might call an imperial threat – and they’re not doing it overseas, either.

The state of Oklahoma is now the target of a direct challenge from US Attorney General Eric Holder, who is using the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as justification to violate Oklahoma’s sovereignty as affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.

In a letter written to the State Attorney General in April, the Federal government used aggressive language, bringing up the possibility of withholding Federal funds appropriated for Oklahoma. The reason? A proposed amendment to the State Constitution, which requires voter approval, that would make English the official language of the State.

“What it indicates is the Federal Government’s contempt for the states, in this case Oklahoma, and for the idea of federal — as opposed to national — government. AG Holder believes that Oklahoma is an administrative subdivision of the USA, and that it is perfectly right for him to coerce Oklahomans to do his will. Who cares whether he has ever been to Oklahoma, met an Oklahoman, or thought about Oklahoma?” said Kevin Gutzman, an American historian and bestselling author.

DESTROYING LOCAL GOVERNMENT

“Both of these letters, particularly this letter to the Attorney General of Oklahoma, are very officious,” observed Rob Natelson, professor of law at the University of Montana. “It reminds one eerily of the kinds of communications that started to come out from the Emperor to the local cities of the Roman Empire, beginning the course of the ultimate destruction of local government.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; agenda; bho44; bhofascism; bhotyranny; boomers; communism; democrats; fascism; gooklahoma; imperialism; independent; marxism; obama; oklahoma; sooners; statesovereignty; statesrights
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1 posted on 08/07/2009 7:06:38 AM PDT by sovereignty2
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To: sovereignty2

If this is WAR, I’m moving to Oklahoma.


2 posted on 08/07/2009 7:09:06 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: sovereignty2

This is precisely the sort of thing that should make the State Sovereignty people feel increased energy. Their enemy is coming for them and their only defense is to re-double their efforts.


3 posted on 08/07/2009 7:11:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: sovereignty2

If this is the price we have to pay for Obama doubling the troop count in Afghanistan and maybe getting us into war with more countries, such as Pakistan or Columbia, then this is a small price to pay. War uber alles.


4 posted on 08/07/2009 7:12:06 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (ObamaCare is socialism. It will do nothing but increase premature, unnecessary death.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

OK is being targeted by this thug specifically because no county voted for him.

It’s serendipitous that OK and Tx are contiguous.


5 posted on 08/07/2009 7:13:44 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: sovereignty2

Tell the one to “bring it on”. There is a reason you won’t see these town hall meetings in OK. The union thugs and ACORN agents would be beaten to a pulp inside of a minute.

P.S. They can add me to the “enemies” list.


6 posted on 08/07/2009 7:15:25 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: rovenstinez

Only 34% of Oklahomans voted for ZERO and if we had a vote today, he would be lucky to get 20% here. Take on Oklahoma and their voters — go right ahead and help us throw out the lone Democrat in our delegation. All I know is that since we passed the tough Immigration Laws, the number of illegals has dropped noticeably. In fact, you can now go in an emergency room and be seen almost immediately! No more waiting behind illegals.

Holder can take it and shove it. He will be at the end of the Unemployment Line in Jan 2013 if not sooner.

We do appreciate his help in electing Cong Mary Fallin as our next Governor and getting rid of Doofus the Governor in Jan 2011. Our Doofus Governor loves ZERO. The Attorney General Democrat running for Governor threw in with Gore in 2000 and against the Boy Scouts in CT using this State who had overwhelmingly voted for Bush against Bush. No Democrat stands a prayer to be elected our new Governor.

Send the Democrats to the back of the Unemployment line in Nov 2009.


7 posted on 08/07/2009 7:15:54 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: sovereignty2

Hey Holder...DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS..and remember...TEXAS HAS OKLAHOMA’S BACK BRO!

Obama and his communist thugs are completely out of control.


8 posted on 08/07/2009 7:17:17 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: PhiKapMom

Good luck !


9 posted on 08/07/2009 7:17:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: sovereignty2

holder is really kicking a hornet’s nest.


10 posted on 08/07/2009 7:19:18 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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To: sovereignty2
"withholding federal funds"...
um,isn't that withholding money taken from the American taxpayer?
It's not FEDERAL money,it's the people's money to begin with!!
Whatever. Were I an Okie, i'd tell em to shove it,and we'd rather keep our sovereignty.YOU keep your (our) freaking "federal funds"!!!
11 posted on 08/07/2009 7:19:38 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Time to CLEAN HOUSE (AND Senate!!!) Kick their butts to the curb!!)
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To: rovenstinez

If you’re in Texas, sit tight. If OK goes, we Texans will go with them.


12 posted on 08/07/2009 7:19:41 AM PDT by SpeedRacer (Where's the BC? What are you hiding?)
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To: sovereignty2
I would love to see the states start putting their federal dollars into escrow accounts.........

Do not send the money to the feds, fund your own highways, your own schools, your own power plants.

Why send your money to washington to get only 83 percent of it back?

13 posted on 08/07/2009 7:19:53 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: sovereignty2

ping


14 posted on 08/07/2009 7:19:54 AM PDT by mickidawn1969
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To: SpeedRacer

Thanks for having our back Texas =)


15 posted on 08/07/2009 7:20:56 AM PDT by mickidawn1969
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To: sovereignty2

How about if Oklahoma said all business within the state will send all Federal Income Taxes collected to the state treasurer. The state treasurer will then make disbursements to the Feds as appropriate. This would give the people the cover they need. Oklahoma could withhold any taxes from the Feds and jam this threat right down their Bolshevik throats.


16 posted on 08/07/2009 7:21:23 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: mosaicwolf
THAT is the way to do it!
17 posted on 08/07/2009 7:23:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

If they withhold federal funds then Oklahoma should pass a law saying its citizens can deduct the percentage owed them from their next return (conveniently calculated by the states department of revenue). Withholding funds should not be possible otherwise taxation without representation is being violated. This is why the 16th amendment is a joke, thing kind of thing could not happen prior to it.

Let’s go back to having the state’s remit funds to the Fed instead of the people. Then the Fed has to answer to the states and cannot bully individuals (as our founders intended).


18 posted on 08/07/2009 7:29:14 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: sovereignty2; David; AJFavish; GreatOne; Red Steel; Congressman Billybob; theothercheek; ml/nj; ...
Seems like the Obamatons might have something in particular against Oklahoma because that state gave O the smallest % of the popular vote of any in the Union last November.

BTW, what the heck is wrong or illegal about a state declaring that English is its official language?

19 posted on 08/07/2009 7:33:09 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: mosaicwolf

Just need a governor with the balls to do it.


20 posted on 08/07/2009 7:33:20 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: PhiKapMom

I’m sending this article to a lot of our friends and relatives. Keep it up, Obummer, and you’ll have even the ‘rats in this state hating your guts.


21 posted on 08/07/2009 7:40:50 AM PDT by MizSterious (Impeach Barak "let them eat cake" Obama, while there's still something of our Republic to save.)
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To: RockyMtnMan

Excellent. I agree wholeheartedly.


22 posted on 08/07/2009 7:42:38 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Time to CLEAN HOUSE (AND Senate!!!) Kick their butts to the curb!!)
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To: mosaicwolf

The “big reset” has to happen through our state legislatures.

We, the militia, will have to be ready to repel invaders that attempt to violate state sovereignty, however.


23 posted on 08/07/2009 7:43:46 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rovenstinez
"If this is WAR, I’m moving to Oklahoma"

I am already here and we won't take this $#!+ form zero, holder or anyone else for that matter. If they want a fight, they found it here.....red

24 posted on 08/07/2009 7:45:48 AM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: rovenstinez

Why move to Oklahoma?
In the spring the wind blows like crazy. In the summer it can be terribly hot and in the winter some days are really cold.
Now look at the map and you will see all 77 counties voted red, that’s why!


25 posted on 08/07/2009 7:48:26 AM PDT by millerph
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To: PhiKapMom

PING


26 posted on 08/07/2009 7:54:55 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: millerph

Texas, OK... I’m in Ks - next up the chain.

I would be just pleased as punch to live in “Jesusland” - from the electoral map of 2004.

We’d have to have strict “no liberal” immigration policies though, to keep the “progressives” from escaping their self created hellholes and bringing their destructive ideas with them.


27 posted on 08/07/2009 7:58:35 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: sovereignty2

“Both of these letters, particularly this letter to the Attorney General of Oklahoma, are very officious,”

Officious! The precisely correct word for the attitude taken by this administration toward its role in serving the people: instead of stewards of the public trust, they stepped in as “master” to the people’s “servant”. Not a big Sooner fan myself, being a Longhorn, but this is (gulp) bigger than interstate rivalry!

Colonel, USAFR


28 posted on 08/07/2009 8:00:02 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: mickidawn1969; SpeedRacer

And Arkansas will be with both of you.


29 posted on 08/07/2009 8:02:54 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (CITIZENS OF LIBERTY! RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE EVIL BEAST, OBAMUNISM!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Awesome! Thanks!


30 posted on 08/07/2009 8:04:49 AM PDT by mickidawn1969
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To: sovereignty2
In a letter written to the State Attorney General in April, the Federal government used aggressive language, bringing up the possibility of withholding Federal funds appropriated for Oklahoma.

Maybe Oklahoma should beat them to the punch and withhold its funds given to the federal government, first!

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But that is not the point in controversy. It is, whether congress has a right to regulate that, which is not committed to it, under a power, which is committed to it, simply because there is, or may be an intimate connexion between the powers. If this were admitted, the enumeration of the powers of congress would be wholly unnecessary and nugatory. Agriculture, colonies, capital, machinery, the wages of labour, the profits of stock, the rents of land, the punctual performance of contracts, and the diffusion of knowledge would all be within the scope of the power; for all of them bear an intimate relation to commerce. The result would be, that the powers of congress would embrace the widest extent of legislative functions, to the utter demolition of all constitutional boundaries between the state and national governments. When duties are laid, not for purposes of revenue, but of retaliation and restriction, to countervail foreign restrictions, they are strictly within the scope of the power, as a regulation of commerce. But when laid to encourage manufactures, they have nothing to do with it. The power to regulate manufactures is no more confided to congress, than the power to interfere with the systems of education, the poor laws, or the road laws of the states.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution

31 posted on 08/07/2009 8:07:24 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ NO ONE is 'subject to the jurisdiction' of an illegitimate government! ~)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Their enemy is coming for them and their only defense is to re-double their efforts.

I agree nearly completely. Only difference is you need to write "us" instead of "them," and "our" instead of "their."

32 posted on 08/07/2009 8:10:09 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: OB1kNOb

Welcome aboard, brother. Keep your powder dry!


33 posted on 08/07/2009 8:17:18 AM PDT by SpeedRacer (Where's the BC? What are you hiding?)
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To: sovereignty2
The states need to quickly dismantle federal power. Abolish executive and legislative power at the federal level and return all political power to the several states. Look to a Congress of elected state governors to oversee a ministerial federal agency to administer programs. NO FEDERAL POWER.
34 posted on 08/07/2009 8:19:58 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: MrB
Texas, OK... I’m in Ks - next up the chain. I would be just pleased as punch to live in “Jesusland” - from the electoral map of 2004. We’d have to have strict “no liberal” immigration policies though, to keep the “progressives” from escaping their self created hellholes and bringing their destructive ideas with them.

The first thing we do is reorganize our universities. Abolish tenure and demand fair and balanced education. Radical leftist faculty MUST, at all times, be balanced with conservative faculty. Every great revolution revamps the universities. Communism has been festering in American universities since the Stalinist days of the 1930s. The chickens have come home to roost as a majority of Americans are now left leaning...

35 posted on 08/07/2009 8:22:49 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rovenstinez; 2witty; A Jovial Cad; AmerRepb; amigatec; Amityschild; Angry_White_Man_Syndrome; ...
Oklahoma Ping!

If you want on
or off this list
Freepmail me.

36 posted on 08/07/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom

BTTT


37 posted on 08/07/2009 8:27:41 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: mosaicwolf
"How about if Oklahoma said all business within the state will send all Federal Income Taxes collected to the state treasurer. The state treasurer will then make disbursements to the Feds as appropriate. This would give the people the cover they need. Oklahoma could withhold any taxes from the Feds and jam this threat right down their Bolshevik throats."

That's a great idea. Any Freeper attorneys who could comment on how to do this with maximum legal effect? We need to starve the Federal beast.

38 posted on 08/07/2009 8:42:00 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: OB1kNOb

Damn right. Arkansans in overwhelming numbers reject Obama.


39 posted on 08/07/2009 9:05:37 AM PDT by Uncle Ivan (Alea iacta est)
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To: sovereignty2

thats fine, then OK will not forward the Fed’s share of the income taxes. This is line that will start it, I just don’t know which state is going to be the first to do this.


40 posted on 08/07/2009 9:05:46 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: penelopesire

This Texan agrees. We need to make sure Rick Perry knows what is going on, I’m sure he does, but just saying. Rick has been accused of lots of things, and some of his proposals I certainly didn’t agree with, but as of late he seems to be seeing it the way we do. I think he knows Ogabe will never do anything constructive for Texas, only try to rape the workers and citizens here. I’m going to e-mail him


41 posted on 08/07/2009 9:07:14 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: rednek

You can’t have ‘em all! send some to Texas so we can have fun too!


42 posted on 08/07/2009 9:16:57 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You might not be from Oklahoma, but thought the article might be of interest to you. These tactics will likely be applied to all states.


43 posted on 08/07/2009 9:45:35 AM PDT by MizSterious (Impeach Barak "let them eat cake" Obama, while there's still something of our Republic to save.)
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To: MizSterious
You might not be from Oklahoma, but thought the article might be of interest to you. These tactics will likely be applied to all states.

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Exactly right.

44 posted on 08/07/2009 9:48:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Quickgun

Perry has probably gotten a similar letter from Holder..the gitmo terrorist’s lawyer. Perry is not going to put up with Ogabe for one minute..lol...and neither are the citizens of Texas. I have talked to several people here this morning and they are steaming mad about these Obama goons beating up on folks at these townhalls across the country. They had better not try it here or they are going to get their asses kicked!


45 posted on 08/07/2009 10:08:08 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: sovereignty2

Oklahoma needs to show how seriously they take the Constitution by passing a law starting in 2012 that requires Presidential candidates that want to appear on the Oklahoma ballot to submit an original BC to prove NBC.


46 posted on 08/07/2009 10:09:24 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: penelopesire

47 posted on 08/07/2009 10:37:08 AM PDT by Howie
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To: sovereignty2


48 posted on 08/07/2009 10:41:58 AM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Howie

Good one!!


49 posted on 08/07/2009 10:50:53 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: anyone

Bring it on feds and you’d better pack a lunch. This Okie is ready for whatever you got. Oh, and f%ck ACORN.


50 posted on 08/07/2009 11:01:13 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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