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No New Calif. Textbooks Until 2016
UPI ^ | Aug. 8

Posted on 08/08/2009 9:56:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Budget cuts will force the California Board of Education to delay buying new textbooks until January 2016 at the earliest, officials say.

A state budget that closed a $24 billion deficit last month dramatically reduced state spending for kindergarten through eighth-grade textbooks, and a result most school districts are also putting off buying new high school textbooks, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

California has also moved to allow funds that were supposed to be solely for textbooks to be diverted to other uses -- an amount that totals $334 million this year. The Times said administrators contend that flexibility is essential for dealing effectively with the budget crisis, but at least one state official disagrees.

"We need modern, state-of-the-art textbooks, not outdated, antiquated textbooks," Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell told the newspaper. "It could be close to a generation before we see new textbooks."

"There is no really good decision," added California Teachers Association President David Sanchez.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: arth; california; education; iou; nea; textbooks
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Oh, no! Children will go unindoctrinated!
1 posted on 08/08/2009 9:56:46 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Where did all the money spent on education go?

Seriously, government should get out of education completely and let parents pay for it themselves.

2 posted on 08/08/2009 9:57:47 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: nickcarraway

Sounds like it buys them time to publish new text books. If you get my drift.....


3 posted on 08/08/2009 9:58:21 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: nickcarraway

Good by then we will be able to go back to Math Science English and other valuable lessons. Social Studies programs should be outlawed and left to the parents. Of course this will put many Communists out of work but we can offer free plane tickets to Cuba and Venezuela where they can become truley useful idiots picking sugar cane.


4 posted on 08/08/2009 10:00:42 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine
Social Studies programs should be outlawed and left to the parents.

Or the schools could just return to teaching American history and civics by the people, places, and dates. When I learned such things in middle and high school at the turn of the millennium, we had to memorize and recite documents such as the Preamble to the Constitution and the Gettysburg Address, and my high school civics teacher taught us landmark Supreme Court cases and encouraged us to participate in American self-governance by being informed citizens and actively voting.

Wait, I went to school in Virginia, not California.

5 posted on 08/08/2009 10:07:32 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: nickcarraway

lol!

I am sure Bill Gates or someone will donate history, science, math and other books, all with Obama on the cover I would bet


6 posted on 08/08/2009 10:10:26 AM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Social Studies programs should be outlawed and left to the parents.

Social Studies are very vital part of education. We should require those studies of the evils of communism over the decades. I still remember that our textbook in middle school on communism was bright red. It can't be left to the parents because most parents are totally ignorant of the forces of communism at work today.

7 posted on 08/08/2009 10:11:11 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: rabscuttle385

Unfortunatly all teachers who have that kbnowledge are dead or retired. It has not been taught in college for years. Better to eliminate it until new teachers can be trained. Besides it will take full time to teach the kids to read write and add.


8 posted on 08/08/2009 10:11:28 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: nickcarraway

I wonder what The Other State that drives the textbook industry (Texas) is going to do?


9 posted on 08/08/2009 10:11:55 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: ColdWater; screaminsunshine
We should require those studies of the evils of communism over the decades.

Actually, I think that basic micro-economics ought to be included as a component of the secondary school curriculum, alongside U.S. and world geography.

10 posted on 08/08/2009 10:15:22 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: nickcarraway
This is great. At least the text books are safe from becoming even more liberal for a few more years.
11 posted on 08/08/2009 10:18:54 AM PDT by crunk
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To: nickcarraway
"We need modern, state-of-the-art textbooks, not outdated, antiquated textbooks,"

Why? What cutting edge information are kids learning in grade school? Anymore, the state has difficulty producing young people who are minimally literate - let alone on the bleeding edge of learning.

12 posted on 08/08/2009 10:18:59 AM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good idea. There may be some teachers left with the knowledge of addition and subtraction who could take on the task.


13 posted on 08/08/2009 10:23:12 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Holy cow, they’ll go through the entire Obama presidency without his halo-ed photo in their textbooks?!

Seriesly, though. How many behind-the-scenes bureaucrats did it take to analyze that decision?

California’s state payroll added 48 jobs a day every day FOR AN ENTIRE DECADE! (That’s “every day” as in 365 days a year!) Even this past year, with their woebegone budget, they managed to ADD 3,600 public workers.
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/035353.html

They’re like kudzu!


14 posted on 08/08/2009 10:24:14 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: nickcarraway

Seriously, as a former teacher, I can say that most textbook updates are unnecessary and often produced worse books. But the textbook companies are part and parcel of the public school monopoly, and they expect a fresh cash infusion every five years. This California thing is going to hurt them, because California and Texas provide most of their profit.


15 posted on 08/08/2009 10:24:25 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: Timeout

Yes, indeed. The ratio of managers to classroom teachers in the public school is 1:10. This is higher than the ration of officers to enlisted in the armed forces. Furthermore, there are about 10,000 schools districts in the United States, most of whom are headed by superintendents who are paid higher salaries than general officers.


16 posted on 08/08/2009 10:28:54 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: nickcarraway
California has also moved to allow funds that were supposed to be solely for textbooks to be diverted to other uses — an amount that totals $334 million this year.
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Another reason to homeschool!

This is more proof that government schools can not be reformed. Not enough money to buy textbooks? Unbelievable! These people are completely incompetent and shouldn't be left alone around children. Where are their priorities?

17 posted on 08/08/2009 10:29:26 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: metmom
Post #17 was for you.

Another reason to homeschool.

18 posted on 08/08/2009 10:30:17 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I remember the 12th grade in Bama so well. They handed me a math book that was nine years old. Then they gave me a English literature book that was 24 years old. Finally...the American civics book? It was fourteen years old.

I look at my son over the past ten years...none of his books were more than three years old.


19 posted on 08/08/2009 10:30:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: nickcarraway

Hey, I am using books for my 3rd grader that my college grad son used. Then again, as a homeschooler, I don’t get $6600 per kid per year. I spend about $500 a year on books and materials. For up to four students at a time.

Usually, I get the bulk of what I need from EBay and other homeschool auction sites.

It can be done.


20 posted on 08/08/2009 10:36:33 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: nickcarraway

Is it really gonna take THAT long to re-write the history book???


21 posted on 08/08/2009 10:40:02 AM PDT by J40000
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To: Marie2

Indeed. If you go to Barnes and Noble and buy a book to use, you are not going to pay more than $30 for it, new. And probably you can get that book on e-bay or Amazon for $5-$10 dollars.


22 posted on 08/08/2009 10:53:21 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: nickcarraway

0h n035, wh4t w111 w3 d0???????/???//???/?

Seriously, as long as every kid has a text book that is legible and not falling apart, there really is not a problem here.


23 posted on 08/08/2009 11:29:46 AM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: pepsionice

Math changes in 9 years? Shakespeare in 24?


24 posted on 08/08/2009 12:02:27 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (One Big Ass Mistake America!)
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To: RobbyS
RE: Seriously, as a former teacher, I can say that most textbook updates are unnecessary and often produced worse books.

My teaching career spans from 1968-2000. I have a nice collection of literature, English and history and geography textbooks from 1912 to 2000. Through the decades the books for the equivalent grades and subjects expanded in size, and shrank in content. A modern day 8th. grade text is bloated with full color photographs, biographies of obscure, but politically correct progressive heroes, and time-wasting, mind-dulling group-think activities.

I especially enjoy showing first time guests to our home a history book published in 1938 by Macmillian entitled "America, Yesterday and Today".

I keep it on the coffee table in the living room. It is approximately 9"X6"X2" with a metallic gold cover with purple lettering. Whenever I ask what grade level the book is the answer is either high school or college.

This text book was designed for 7th grade, but could be used for remediation with 8th graders. The Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, and the then 21 amendments is included in the reference section at the back of the book.

25 posted on 08/08/2009 12:11:44 PM PDT by Irish Queen (This world is not my home, I'm just a passing through ...)
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To: nickcarraway
Oh, no! Children will go unindoctrinated! >/i>

Just the opposite. There is plenty of funding for the teacher's unions. They can continue their work without the distraction of books

26 posted on 08/08/2009 12:29:20 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: nickcarraway

What is taught is a dumbed down version of every course. I went to private school 1-9, and then public school 10-12. I learned more in private school in grade 9 than public school grade 12. Indoctrination to the progressive movement is all that abounds in public school.


27 posted on 08/08/2009 12:41:46 PM PDT by wbones8765 ("Give me liberty or give me death")
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To: Irish Queen

I taught high school math from 1957 to 1972. When my own kids got to high school, I looked at their textbooks with some amazement. They were uniformly inferior to the ones I had taught from twenty years before.


28 posted on 08/08/2009 1:12:22 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: nickcarraway

So they can rewrite history for 8 long years and then come out with the revised Obama era texts to explain economics, the Constitution, American history, the science of global warming and when life REALLY begins (age 4).


29 posted on 08/08/2009 1:21:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: nickcarraway

Ya...but how many new state pensioners...?


30 posted on 08/08/2009 1:24:37 PM PDT by mo
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To: ColdWater
It can't be left to the parents because most parents are totally ignorant of the forces of communism at work today.

The NEA is as socialist, leftist loony liberal as it gets without actually saying “communist.”

The Higher grades and universities are largely outright communist now.

The basis of most of our dumbed down society is the leftist teachers and you want to leave it to them??? The ones with this very agenda??

31 posted on 08/08/2009 1:35:26 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952
The basis of most of our dumbed down society is the leftist teachers and you want to leave it to them??? The ones with this very agenda??

Please do not distort my position.

32 posted on 08/08/2009 1:37:07 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: 2Jedismom; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; Antoninus; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

Actually, considering the quality of textbooks continues to decline at an alarming rate, this actually might not be a bad thing.

33 posted on 08/08/2009 2:06:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime

I’m inclined to agree with George Bernard Shaw on this issue. He once said that no person ever learned anything from a school book.


34 posted on 08/08/2009 2:14:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: nickcarraway

That’s right... Education is a luxury.
/sarc


35 posted on 08/08/2009 2:22:30 PM PDT by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I’m inclined to agree with George Bernard Shaw on this issue. He once said that no person ever learned anything from a school book.
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How much learning actually takes place in a brick and mortar school? I would say, “Very little!”

I have posted previously that **all** academically successful children are homeschooled! This is true even for children who are institutionalized for their schooling. Nearly everything a child learns is at home, through the efforts of his parents or his **own** home-study habits.

36 posted on 08/08/2009 2:45:44 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: screaminsunshine

I buy Curriculum that costs 360.00 a year.
It is non-consumable so it works for both kids.

Who needs books?

http://www.aophomeschooling.com/switched-on-schoolhouse/


37 posted on 08/08/2009 2:56:43 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: ColdWater
Social Studies are very vital part of education...It can't be left to the parents because most parents are totally ignorant of the forces of communism at work today.

>Please do not distort my position.

What part of the above was distorted by my reply that it cannot be left to the public schools & the teachers therein?

38 posted on 08/08/2009 4:09:21 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952
What part of the above was distorted by my reply that it cannot be left to the public schools & the teachers therein?

Since I posted the part when I made my previous response, you know darn tooten what part it was. The part you did not post in your 'above'.

39 posted on 08/08/2009 4:20:29 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t think that is such a bad thing...

We can rewrite them between now and then...

Put the facts back in ...


40 posted on 08/08/2009 4:23:13 PM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: wintertime

A lot of learning takes place in school, but not much of it is academic. Students learn passivity, anxiety, groupthink, meaningless competition, malice, treachery, cruelty, frustration, and sometimes hopelessness. And public schools teach these things very well.


41 posted on 08/08/2009 4:48:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Students learn passivity, anxiety, groupthink, meaningless competition, malice, treachery, cruelty, frustration, and sometimes hopelessness.
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Yes, you are right. A lot of learning does take place in school. Children learn how to be good prisoners. As adults they will be comfortable as prisoners of the state.

42 posted on 08/08/2009 5:11:21 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: nickcarraway; AZ .44 MAG

I highly doubt Obama will let this one go! He can’t possibly allow the fact that he won’t be in the current history text. Better buck up another stimulus package for California textbooks.


43 posted on 08/08/2009 5:39:45 PM PDT by MrsLilac (Don't let your mind wander. It's too small to be let out on it's own.)
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To: ColdWater; bill1952; MrB

bill1952 isn’t distorting your position.

Control of education belongs in the hands of the parents.

Teachers come from liberal, brainwashing institutions and there is nothing about getting a teaching degree that makes one more qualified to teach than the child’s parents or more likely to recognize and teach against communist agenda. As a matter of fact, the NEA defines communist agenda.

Whether it’s control of education in social studies, which has gotten progressively more liberal and PC as the years go on, or control of *science* education, government control of education is a liberal position.

Parents are more than qualified enough to teach their own children. Just because they didn’t choose to get an education degree doesn’t mean they aren’t.

Homeschoolers consistently outperform public school students. As a whole, they kick butt educationally, including in social studies and science.

SAT/ACT homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200105070.asp

Standardized test scores homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


44 posted on 08/08/2009 6:48:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
bill1952 isn’t distorting your position.

Yes he did. You didn't address the statement he made that I referred to where he distorted my position. Thanks, anyway for butting in.

45 posted on 08/08/2009 6:51:23 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; bill1952

Butting in? This is an open, public internet forum. If you don’t want people replying to your comments, FReepmail them.

You’re taking the liberal position on government control of education by stating that only teachers are qualified to teach social studies properly and “It can’t be left to the parents because most parents are totally ignorant of the forces of communism at work today. “.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2311424/posts?page=7#7

Wrong.

If you’re advocating that the teaching on communism is to be required, and that it can’t be left to the parents, then just who do you propose teach this, if not the teachers in the public schools?

You are, in effect, advocating for government control of education not only in curriculum but in who teaches it. And someone who has graduated from a liberal, teaching college is not unbiased and cannot be trusted to do it from the right perspective.


46 posted on 08/08/2009 7:15:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Thanks for excerpting my post to alter the meaning.

Question. You propose that it should be the parents that teach the evils of communism to their children. Most parents wouldn't know a communist if it bit them on the nose. Most parents give a hoot whether Johnny learns about the evils of communism. How do you propose that we get them to teach Johnny those evils? Federal mandates?

I propose that we enforce through our local school boards the teaching of the evils of communism. Get a curriculm approved by the board and go to the classes to ensure it is enforced and taught by the teachers.

Which is the better?

47 posted on 08/08/2009 7:23:07 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: metmom
You are, in effect, advocating for government control of education not only in curriculum but in who teaches it. And someone who has graduated from a liberal, teaching college is not unbiased and cannot be trusted to do it from the right perspective.

Not at all. You are, in effect, forfeiting control of the schools to the government.

48 posted on 08/08/2009 7:24:38 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; bill1952
You propose that it should be the parents that teach the evils of communism to their children.

Yes, it's part of their responsibility.

Most parents wouldn't know a communist if it bit them on the nose.

Maybe most of the public school parents you know, but that's not true of the homeschool parents I know, which, by the way, is one of the reasons that homeschoolers homeschool, because they recognize the evils of communism being worked out through the public school system.

Most parents give a hoot whether Johnny learns about the evils of communism.

If they care, then they will teach them about communism. Or perhaps you mean that they DON'T give a hoot.

How do you propose that we get them to teach Johnny those evils? Federal mandates?

No, just let them.

Why are you so big on the government forcing someone to teach the evils of communism? It's pretty ironic that you claim to be opposed to communism and then demand that it be taught. Just who is going to enforce that? And how? And how is that demand and enforcement NOT communistic in nature? That's advocating the very kind of government control that communism is all about.

It looks like you're the one needing a little more education about what communism is.

49 posted on 08/08/2009 7:34:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Yes, it's part of their responsibility.

Doesn't mean they will do it.

Maybe most of the public school parents you know, but that's not true of the homeschool parents I know, which, by the way, is one of the reasons that homeschoolers homeschool, because they recognize the evils of communism being worked out through the public school system.

"most". I think then that you agree that that is true of most parents.

If they care, then they will teach them about communism. Or perhaps you mean that they DON'T give a hoot.

Thanks for the correction.

No, just let them. Why are you so big on the government forcing someone to teach the evils of communism? It's pretty ironic that you claim to be opposed to communism and then demand that it be taught. Just who is going to enforce that? And how? And how is that demand and enforcement NOT communistic in nature? That's advocating the very kind of government control that communism is all about.

I don't think you read my post. Or, are you distorting my position on purpose?

It looks like you're the one needing a little more education about what communism is.

No basis for that statement. Are you trying a little sectarian play with that?

50 posted on 08/08/2009 7:41:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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