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No New Calif. Textbooks Until 2016
UPI ^ | Aug. 8

Posted on 08/08/2009 9:56:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Budget cuts will force the California Board of Education to delay buying new textbooks until January 2016 at the earliest, officials say.

A state budget that closed a $24 billion deficit last month dramatically reduced state spending for kindergarten through eighth-grade textbooks, and a result most school districts are also putting off buying new high school textbooks, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

California has also moved to allow funds that were supposed to be solely for textbooks to be diverted to other uses -- an amount that totals $334 million this year. The Times said administrators contend that flexibility is essential for dealing effectively with the budget crisis, but at least one state official disagrees.

"We need modern, state-of-the-art textbooks, not outdated, antiquated textbooks," Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell told the newspaper. "It could be close to a generation before we see new textbooks."

"There is no really good decision," added California Teachers Association President David Sanchez.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: arth; california; education; iou; nea; textbooks
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To: wintertime

A lot of learning takes place in school, but not much of it is academic. Students learn passivity, anxiety, groupthink, meaningless competition, malice, treachery, cruelty, frustration, and sometimes hopelessness. And public schools teach these things very well.


41 posted on 08/08/2009 4:48:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Students learn passivity, anxiety, groupthink, meaningless competition, malice, treachery, cruelty, frustration, and sometimes hopelessness.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, you are right. A lot of learning does take place in school. Children learn how to be good prisoners. As adults they will be comfortable as prisoners of the state.

42 posted on 08/08/2009 5:11:21 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: nickcarraway; AZ .44 MAG

I highly doubt Obama will let this one go! He can’t possibly allow the fact that he won’t be in the current history text. Better buck up another stimulus package for California textbooks.


43 posted on 08/08/2009 5:39:45 PM PDT by MrsLilac (Don't let your mind wander. It's too small to be let out on it's own.)
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To: ColdWater; bill1952; MrB

bill1952 isn’t distorting your position.

Control of education belongs in the hands of the parents.

Teachers come from liberal, brainwashing institutions and there is nothing about getting a teaching degree that makes one more qualified to teach than the child’s parents or more likely to recognize and teach against communist agenda. As a matter of fact, the NEA defines communist agenda.

Whether it’s control of education in social studies, which has gotten progressively more liberal and PC as the years go on, or control of *science* education, government control of education is a liberal position.

Parents are more than qualified enough to teach their own children. Just because they didn’t choose to get an education degree doesn’t mean they aren’t.

Homeschoolers consistently outperform public school students. As a whole, they kick butt educationally, including in social studies and science.

SAT/ACT homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200105070.asp

Standardized test scores homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


44 posted on 08/08/2009 6:48:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
bill1952 isn’t distorting your position.

Yes he did. You didn't address the statement he made that I referred to where he distorted my position. Thanks, anyway for butting in.

45 posted on 08/08/2009 6:51:23 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; bill1952

Butting in? This is an open, public internet forum. If you don’t want people replying to your comments, FReepmail them.

You’re taking the liberal position on government control of education by stating that only teachers are qualified to teach social studies properly and “It can’t be left to the parents because most parents are totally ignorant of the forces of communism at work today. “.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2311424/posts?page=7#7

Wrong.

If you’re advocating that the teaching on communism is to be required, and that it can’t be left to the parents, then just who do you propose teach this, if not the teachers in the public schools?

You are, in effect, advocating for government control of education not only in curriculum but in who teaches it. And someone who has graduated from a liberal, teaching college is not unbiased and cannot be trusted to do it from the right perspective.


46 posted on 08/08/2009 7:15:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Thanks for excerpting my post to alter the meaning.

Question. You propose that it should be the parents that teach the evils of communism to their children. Most parents wouldn't know a communist if it bit them on the nose. Most parents give a hoot whether Johnny learns about the evils of communism. How do you propose that we get them to teach Johnny those evils? Federal mandates?

I propose that we enforce through our local school boards the teaching of the evils of communism. Get a curriculm approved by the board and go to the classes to ensure it is enforced and taught by the teachers.

Which is the better?

47 posted on 08/08/2009 7:23:07 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: metmom
You are, in effect, advocating for government control of education not only in curriculum but in who teaches it. And someone who has graduated from a liberal, teaching college is not unbiased and cannot be trusted to do it from the right perspective.

Not at all. You are, in effect, forfeiting control of the schools to the government.

48 posted on 08/08/2009 7:24:38 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; bill1952
You propose that it should be the parents that teach the evils of communism to their children.

Yes, it's part of their responsibility.

Most parents wouldn't know a communist if it bit them on the nose.

Maybe most of the public school parents you know, but that's not true of the homeschool parents I know, which, by the way, is one of the reasons that homeschoolers homeschool, because they recognize the evils of communism being worked out through the public school system.

Most parents give a hoot whether Johnny learns about the evils of communism.

If they care, then they will teach them about communism. Or perhaps you mean that they DON'T give a hoot.

How do you propose that we get them to teach Johnny those evils? Federal mandates?

No, just let them.

Why are you so big on the government forcing someone to teach the evils of communism? It's pretty ironic that you claim to be opposed to communism and then demand that it be taught. Just who is going to enforce that? And how? And how is that demand and enforcement NOT communistic in nature? That's advocating the very kind of government control that communism is all about.

It looks like you're the one needing a little more education about what communism is.

49 posted on 08/08/2009 7:34:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Yes, it's part of their responsibility.

Doesn't mean they will do it.

Maybe most of the public school parents you know, but that's not true of the homeschool parents I know, which, by the way, is one of the reasons that homeschoolers homeschool, because they recognize the evils of communism being worked out through the public school system.

"most". I think then that you agree that that is true of most parents.

If they care, then they will teach them about communism. Or perhaps you mean that they DON'T give a hoot.

Thanks for the correction.

No, just let them. Why are you so big on the government forcing someone to teach the evils of communism? It's pretty ironic that you claim to be opposed to communism and then demand that it be taught. Just who is going to enforce that? And how? And how is that demand and enforcement NOT communistic in nature? That's advocating the very kind of government control that communism is all about.

I don't think you read my post. Or, are you distorting my position on purpose?

It looks like you're the one needing a little more education about what communism is.

No basis for that statement. Are you trying a little sectarian play with that?

50 posted on 08/08/2009 7:41:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

The government has no business being in education, period.

It’s not a Constitutionally delegated responsibility.

No, no one forfeited control of the schools to the government; the government just took it over with the help of with the liberal elements who choose to enforce their ideology through the abuse and misuse of the judiciary by filing lawsuits to have only their views taught.

Those using the ACLU to gain control of curriculum are the ones responsible for forfeiting control of the schools to the government, because by going to the government through litigation, they demanded the government take a position and issue a ruling on the matter.


51 posted on 08/08/2009 7:41:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

BTW, you didn’t respond to my question.


52 posted on 08/08/2009 7:41:59 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; metmom
CW you are acting like a deer caught in the headlights and have fallen into the common logical fault of reduction to the absurd.

You have taken an erroneous position that the liberal government public schools should be forced to teach conservative value when those very same teachers and administrators are actively hostile and openly opposed to that position.

As these are also the people who control public education at every level, they have advanced their own agenda over the past 3 -4 decades and it is inconceivably illogical to postulate that they can be so made to undo the very thing that they have so assiduously built.

As far as distorting your position, well that could be your position, but it isn't the view of anyone else here. - you are mistaken.
Rather than conceding the logical points of others in this forum and debating your other points you have simply denied everything.

and you are wrong

I will leave you with these two final thoughts.

some people never learn that they have nothing to teach

this should be engraved above the entrance to every public school

denial is the most predictable of all human response

thank you for the post.

53 posted on 08/09/2009 6:14:31 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I did not think the state had any say in they buying of textbooks. I thought they just gave money to the district, and the district could decide when/if it wanted textbooks.


54 posted on 08/09/2009 6:16:45 AM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

My grandchildren had to recite/memorize the Preamble in the 5th grade. Unfortunately, that teacher has retired.


55 posted on 08/09/2009 6:19:03 AM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: ColdWater

Which question?


56 posted on 08/09/2009 6:37:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: eclecticEel

Antiquated textbooks? Give me a break. Geometry, algebra, English grammar, US History — none of this has changed over the DECADES. Just the Commie spin on it. Those books cost $100 per! What other books do you EVER buy that cost that much? For that little?

Oh spare me the whine.


57 posted on 08/09/2009 6:55:56 AM PDT by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: Marie2

I was just thinking that I have gone out of my way to buy books that were almost a hundred years old for my children’s schooling.


58 posted on 08/09/2009 6:57:44 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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