Skip to comments.Obama Birth Story Unraveling - Mother In Univ Class In Seattle 15 Days After Obama Supposedly Born!
Posted on 08/08/2009 9:20:49 PM PDT by MindBender26Edited on 08/08/2009 9:33:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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There are so many errors in the story that the credibility is now damaged beyond repair!
The excuse of being too tired, etc. is not acceptable as such damages further threaten the Free Republic as a source of good information.
I would suggest to remove this thread and clean up the story.
Otherwise O’Reilly will tear into us again!
or not releasing Birth Certificate because
3)He is using it as a distraction
4) Wants Birthers to appear radical like the Truthers.
His mother is a citizen. That makes him a citizen, no matter where he was born - but not necessarily a native born citizen.
What travel was that? He went to Pakistan in 1981.
“Wasnt her name Stanley Ann, not Sydney? They need to be careful about errors like that because the libs will jump all over the error and use it to discredit the whole story.”
Correct. Her Name was Stanley Ann.
Also her last name is Dunham, not Durham. Then she married the Sotero guy who apparently adopted little Barry.
Then return the power of the states to the people.
Where did you Sydney?
Correct, it was DP in my case, was using an IBM 370, I translated for youngsters.
Personally I don't find this hard to believe -- except the parts that Corsi obviously made up out of thin air. Starting classes in Seattle doesn't mean she wasn't already admitted to the college there well beforehand, and many colleges do most of their registration right at the beginning of each term (especially for new students or students returning from a leave of absence). And we certainly have no reason to believe she didn't have any help caring for the baby. Sister? Mother? Aunt? Hardly improbable.
A college friend of mine got pregnant during her freshman year, went home to the West Coast at the end of the spring semester, had the baby sometime in late July or early August, and was back in school full time (in the same college, on the East Coast) when classes started in late August, with newborn and now-husband in tow. She'd been planning to return to school in September and she did. Nothing odd about that. Her husband stayed home and provided full-time baby care, just as some relative or friend of Obama's mother (or perhaps even relative of his father) may have done.
Of course, President Obama could help by filling in some early biographical info, even if there's something on his original birth certificate that he doesn't want made public (possibly just because it would be embarrassing to some other family member). On the other hand, he may not really know a lot of the details, and doesn't want to start giving unverified information based on what he remembers being told as a child, and then be called out on inaccuracies that are later dug up by someone else.
I know I'd be hard-pressed to provide an accurate timeline of my mother's whereabouts in the months just before and after my birth. I know she and my father met in Indonesia while they were both working for the US Government there, and that she was already pregnant when they came back to the US. My parents are still alive, so I could go ask them for details, but their memories may be a bit fuzzy too (they're both in their 80s), and if they were dead, there really wouldn't be any way for me to find out, for example, if they arrived back in the US very shortly before my birth, or quite a while before. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are a handful of old friends of theirs from that era who would say they thought I was born in Indonesia based on inaccurate memories, or on inaccurate assumptions they made decades ago when they heard my parents had had a baby.
If people want to pursue questions about Obama's origins and be taken seriously, they need to collect enough facts to actually raise a serious question, and not embellish their flimsy "bombshells" with statements that are obviously just unfounded assumptions. Just stick to facts that they have clear support for. That's the key credibility feature that's missing from virtually all the "birther" claims that are being spread around.
Wasn’t it Dunham nor Durham?
No politician hides good info on themselves.
All transcription errors. The same story, also by Corsi, is on World Net Daily, with a copy of Stanley Ann's transcript from the University of Washington.
From that image, even if one expands it a bit, it's a little hard to tell if the class start date is 8/19/61 or 9/19/61. However 8/19/61 was a Saturday, an odd day for classes to start..unless it was a Saturday class, possible for an extension class, which is what the transcript shows it was. OTOH, 9/19/61 was a Tuesday. Also an unusual day for classes to start.
I checked the *regular*, not extension class, start dates for U. Washington for 2000/1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9 0,1,2,3 classes started on Monday. 4,5,6,7,8,9 they started or will start. on Wednesday. No Tuesdays, but all are in late September, except one which was October 1.
For the extension courses, I could only find the start dates for 2009, which is September 30 for "most classes". The classes Stanley Ann took are listed as extension, not correspondence, which would probably mean they would be evening or weekend classes.
I went to NYU in 1961. In those days most colleges used the old (unmodified) semester system. In that system there was a long Christmas thru New Year's holiday, followed by the last couple of weeks of class and semester finals near the end of January. Since that time most schools not on the quarter system use the new (modified) semester system, starting before Labor Day, with finals ending before Christmas, followed by a long inter-semester break.
Some memories: SPF Editor
Not an expert, but it likely would invalidate the votes of the Electors for Obama for President, while their votes for Biden for VP would be valid. Result, President Biden.
It’s an 8, not a 9.
Never heard of Sydney, but I HAVE heard of:
Stanley Ann Dunham
Mrs. Barack H. Obama
Stanley Ann D. Obama
S. Ann Dunham
S. Ann Dunham Sutoro
S. Ann Dunham Soetoro
... I’m sure I forgot a few ...
Yea, but this was wrong. The hospital was not in the Canal Zone.. The Press was willing to do its job when it came to John McCain:
The Fact Checker: Candidate Watch - Citizen McCain
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008
This is what made it into print..
McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008; Page A06
Now if Dobbs had used his considerable talent to look at one Barack Obama with the same skill and diligence, there would be no such thing as a birther.
It seems that Congress and SCOTUS do not mind having a potential foreigner in the WH. These are strange and mysterious times.
The transcript in post 114 looks authentic. I have a similar one somewhere. In the lower right corner it shows the courses she took from 9/19/61 to 12/11 and 12/12 61. There were no semesters at the University of Washington.
Assuming you are correct, the (hypothetical) situation would provide Biden with a stigma: Biden was nominated by a man not qualified to nominate him.
“Simply put, zer0 refuses to comply with the U.S. Constitution...”
He can do so because no one in Congress has the brass to force the issue.
What are you talking about. The article deals with 1961 and I don’t see where 1962 is mentioned
Under the law, Biden was nominated by the duly qualified Democratic National Convention, as recommended by Obama.
Where do you see August 19, 1962. in the article?
I have remembered it since last year but it seems like most folks around here don't. This whole story line went on for months and it was the left pushing it.
Anyway, I dug this back up in response to a question in this thread. I think the world needs reminding of just how good a job the Press can do when they aren't hiding their heads in the sand.
Check out Post 120 in this thread:
totally agree with your post. WTH? I started class in 1981 in September like most colleges require
Congress also passes a resolution making everything Biden signs retroactive.
NO, we don't need a Constitutional Crisis of that magnitude.
Just challenge Obama’s honesty and destroy the Obama myth.
Read it again, I think YOU got it wrong.
“In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii.”
Yes, and other Oprah endorsed authors, who committed historical frauds, were taken down in disgrace.
This post sucks. ZOT it and make the poster start from scratch. reading through the posts it gets confusing between original and ammended.
Make the post original and pristine.
I vote ZOT anyone else?
Religion is not listed on the 1961 Hawaiian long form birth certificate. Here's one from one of the Nordyke twins (the older one) born the very next day after "whatever his name is", if one believes the COLB forgery's information.
and here's one from 1963 that is somewhat easier to read, but one can see the format is the same as the '61.
Incidentally the serial number of the younger of the Nordyke twins, 10638, is still 3 numbers less that BHO Jr.'s, even though he was supposedly born almost a full day earlier, in the same hospital (this week anyway) and the online COLB also indicates his BC was filed 3 days before those of the Nordyke twins, Aug. 8 verse Aug 11. . Something to make you go "hmmm".
There is ALSO a political process.
This HURTS Obama, it keeps him off message, or at least it keeps the MSM and the Obamabots off message.
This hurts his “mandate”.
This weakens his ability to lead.
This is VERY important even if we don't remove Obama from office before the end of his 4 year term.
“In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii. “
true, it was not Soeteoro (SP?) until AFTER she got married to that guy.
Thanks for your advice.
Not true. Under the law as it existed in 1961, if Stanley Ann was married to BHO Sr, and if BHO Jr. was not born in the US, then BHO Jr. was not a US Citizen at birth. The could have been naturalized later of course, but then he would not then be "natural born" by anyone's definition.
However if Stanley and and BHO Sr were not married, and BHO Jr was born overseas, or of course in the US, then BHO was a citizen at birth. If born in the US and BHO Sr. acknowledged paternity, as by being married to the mother, or otherwise, then BHO Jr is not "Natural born", because one of his parents was not a Citizen at the time of his birth. Only if someone else is the acknowledged sperm donor might BHO Jr have been natural born. That is having two US citizen parents and being born on territory under US sovereignty.
or, his REAL father is:
Communist Frank Marshal Davis!
I'm a little confused, did you or did you not, at least theoretically, need to start attending class in late September or around the first of October?
I do tend to think, based on the image of the transcript, your statement, and an investigation of class start dates at U. Washington going back to 2000, that the classes started 9/19/61, not 8/19/61.
However that still doesn't give Stanley Ann much time to recover from the birth, a few days at least, get plane reservations, pack for Seattle, find housing, find a babysitter for the times/days the two classes met, and otherwise get settled. Do-able, but pushing it. Now, if she already had decided on attending, already had a place to live, plane reservations, etc, (or was already in the general area, but not at the University yet, before BHO was born, and only needed to find a babysitter, that would have made it a piece of cake.
Reports from one of her friends puts her and Baby Barry in the Seattle area in mid to late August of '61, with her not really not knowing how to change his diapers. (No trivial thing to learn for an only child in '61, no pampers in those days, just cloth, plastic pants, and diaper pins.).
The story has now been changed.
But, it now states her name was “Durhan” and “Durham”.
Crap, can’t these people get, at least, the characters’ names straight?
I’d like to see a reference to US law in 1961 that the child of a US citizen and a foreign citizen is not born a US citizen. I suspect this is inaccurate.
Without Obama, there could be no Biden. Biden was vetted by the O's people, then put forth as the O's VP choice and then approved by the DNC during their convention. If O's eliminated, then so is his running mate, since he was the O's pick, not the convention's.
It matters not what congress wants if every law, appointment, signed document, et al is argued before the courts of our nation as null and void. All those folk out there in FR-land are right when they say this is going to produce a constitutional crisis. And the longer that (ahem) man is in the WH, the worse that crisis is likely to become.
Salamander and I could add a rumble seat to our Rail-built-for-two if you would like to join us on our ride out of town, tastefully attired in tar and feathers...
“Natural Born Citizen” is the OPPOSITE of “Naturalized Citizen”.
If you are a citizen at birth, you are a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
Congress has the power to set standards for citizenship.
The laws at the time Obama was born are the laws that count.
I do agree that the 14th Amendment is not helpful here. The 14th is INCLUSIVE and NOT Exclusive. It tells us that the people covered by the 14th ARE citizens, it clearly does NOT say that those who are not covered, directly, by the 14th, are NOT citizens.
Ah, a youngster.
I started on a 360 at college, but also used a discrete transistor 1620 in engineering class. Was an operator on an 1170 which was replaced by a System 3. My hours got cut way back then, because my primary job was running a big sales report on Friday night, and then backing up the single platter non removable hard drive *to cards* sometime latter in the weekend. The System 3's printer was much faster, cutting back on the time to print the report, and had a removable as well as fixed drive, so we would back the fixed drive up using the removable one. Again, much faster than the card pucnh, much, much faster.
By that time I had an AFROTC scholarship, which included $100/month in addition to tuition and books. Also that year I still had one year left on my National Merit Scholarship, a whopping $500/year, which the University refunded to me when the Air Force paid my tuition. Since my wife was teaching full time I quit, and never worked during the school year after that, I did work in a Goodyear factory during the next summer, as I had previous summers.
Actually, you’re both wrong. The Constitution doesn’t recognize political parties or their procedures.
Only the electors, as determined by state law, count. How the electors decide to vote is entirely up to them, and they can in theory elect anyone they decide is qualified.
Somewhat of a legal fiction, to be sure, but it is still true that nominations by parties are quite outside the constitutional provisions.