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Obama Birth Story Unraveling - Mother In Univ Class In Seattle 15 Days After Obama Supposedly Born!
Dr. Jerome Corsi / Rusty Humphries Show

Posted on 08/08/2009 9:20:49 PM PDT by MindBender26

Edited on 08/08/2009 9:33:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MindBender26

There are so many errors in the story that the credibility is now damaged beyond repair!

The excuse of being too tired, etc. is not acceptable as such damages further threaten the Free Republic as a source of good information.

I would suggest to remove this thread and clean up the story.

Otherwise O’Reilly will tear into us again!


101 posted on 08/08/2009 10:19:47 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (`)
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To: Adams

or not releasing Birth Certificate because
3)He is using it as a distraction
and/or
4) Wants Birthers to appear radical like the Truthers.


102 posted on 08/08/2009 10:20:25 PM PDT by GOPbabe
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To: MindBender26
If the Obama Presidency is shown to be a fraud, does that invalidate all ballots cast for Obama/Biden? If so is John McCain the actual President? Palin the actual VP? I've not seen this question raised by anyone.
103 posted on 08/08/2009 10:20:36 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer (Will talk radio and the internet pull the USA back from the brink?)
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To: MindBender26

His mother is a citizen. That makes him a citizen, no matter where he was born - but not necessarily a native born citizen.


104 posted on 08/08/2009 10:21:10 PM PDT by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: MindBender26
When he traveled to the Middle East in the 1990s, he did not have a US passport.

What travel was that? He went to Pakistan in 1981.

105 posted on 08/08/2009 10:21:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Montanabound; Admin Moderator

“Wasn’t her name Stanley Ann, not Sydney? They need to be careful about errors like that because the libs will jump all over the error and use it to discredit the whole story.”

Correct. Her Name was Stanley Ann.

Also her last name is Dunham, not Durham. Then she married the Sotero guy who apparently adopted little Barry.


106 posted on 08/08/2009 10:21:35 PM PDT by AmericanSphinx71 (Emanuel and Axelrod - The new Haldeman and Ehrlichman)
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To: April Lexington

Then return the power of the states to the people.


107 posted on 08/08/2009 10:21:36 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: gigster
"In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., .Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii. "

Where did you Sydney?

108 posted on 08/08/2009 10:26:42 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: _Jim

Correct, it was DP in my case, was using an IBM 370, I translated for youngsters.


109 posted on 08/08/2009 10:26:51 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: MindBender26
We are expected to believe that in just 15 days, she gave birth, stayed in the hospital for a few days, them packed her things and left her house in Hawaii, moved to Seattle, got established there, registered for, then began classed in Seattle, all the while caring for her newborn.

Personally I don't find this hard to believe -- except the parts that Corsi obviously made up out of thin air. Starting classes in Seattle doesn't mean she wasn't already admitted to the college there well beforehand, and many colleges do most of their registration right at the beginning of each term (especially for new students or students returning from a leave of absence). And we certainly have no reason to believe she didn't have any help caring for the baby. Sister? Mother? Aunt? Hardly improbable.

A college friend of mine got pregnant during her freshman year, went home to the West Coast at the end of the spring semester, had the baby sometime in late July or early August, and was back in school full time (in the same college, on the East Coast) when classes started in late August, with newborn and now-husband in tow. She'd been planning to return to school in September and she did. Nothing odd about that. Her husband stayed home and provided full-time baby care, just as some relative or friend of Obama's mother (or perhaps even relative of his father) may have done.

Of course, President Obama could help by filling in some early biographical info, even if there's something on his original birth certificate that he doesn't want made public (possibly just because it would be embarrassing to some other family member). On the other hand, he may not really know a lot of the details, and doesn't want to start giving unverified information based on what he remembers being told as a child, and then be called out on inaccuracies that are later dug up by someone else.

I know I'd be hard-pressed to provide an accurate timeline of my mother's whereabouts in the months just before and after my birth. I know she and my father met in Indonesia while they were both working for the US Government there, and that she was already pregnant when they came back to the US. My parents are still alive, so I could go ask them for details, but their memories may be a bit fuzzy too (they're both in their 80s), and if they were dead, there really wouldn't be any way for me to find out, for example, if they arrived back in the US very shortly before my birth, or quite a while before. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are a handful of old friends of theirs from that era who would say they thought I was born in Indonesia based on inaccurate memories, or on inaccurate assumptions they made decades ago when they heard my parents had had a baby.

If people want to pursue questions about Obama's origins and be taken seriously, they need to collect enough facts to actually raise a serious question, and not embellish their flimsy "bombshells" with statements that are obviously just unfounded assumptions. Just stick to facts that they have clear support for. That's the key credibility feature that's missing from virtually all the "birther" claims that are being spread around.

110 posted on 08/08/2009 10:28:04 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Bluebeard16

Wasn’t it Dunham nor Durham?


111 posted on 08/08/2009 10:29:25 PM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: All
One thing no one can deny. 0bama is hiding his BC, his school records, his SS records and his passport records.

No politician hides good info on themselves.

112 posted on 08/08/2009 10:29:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: MindBender26; admin
Even though it looks like the article has been corrected, all the comments posted leave one to wonder what was wrong, and why you didn't just have it pulled to alleviate the confusion. Now it just makes it seem foolish, and the DU will jump all over it and the FR. I suggest this is removed and submitted totally correct (as you see it) and without all the confusing posts. Just MHO.
113 posted on 08/08/2009 10:30:20 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: Norman Bates
It’s rife with mistakes. I’d say the credibility is already damaged, and in just minutes too

All transcription errors. The same story, also by Corsi, is on World Net Daily, with a copy of Stanley Ann's transcript from the University of Washington.

From that image, even if one expands it a bit, it's a little hard to tell if the class start date is 8/19/61 or 9/19/61. However 8/19/61 was a Saturday, an odd day for classes to start..unless it was a Saturday class, possible for an extension class, which is what the transcript shows it was. OTOH, 9/19/61 was a Tuesday. Also an unusual day for classes to start.

I checked the *regular*, not extension class, start dates for U. Washington for 2000/1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9 0,1,2,3 classes started on Monday. 4,5,6,7,8,9 they started or will start. on Wednesday. No Tuesdays, but all are in late September, except one which was October 1.

For the extension courses, I could only find the start dates for 2009, which is September 30 for "most classes". The classes Stanley Ann took are listed as extension, not correspondence, which would probably mean they would be evening or weekend classes.

114 posted on 08/08/2009 10:32:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sicvee
n 1962 the Fall Quarter at the University of Washington did not begin until the last week of September or the first week in October.

I went to NYU in 1961. In those days most colleges used the old (unmodified) semester system. In that system there was a long Christmas thru New Year's holiday, followed by the last couple of weeks of class and semester finals near the end of January. Since that time most schools not on the quarter system use the new (modified) semester system, starting before Labor Day, with finals ending before Christmas, followed by a long inter-semester break.

115 posted on 08/08/2009 10:34:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
3080? 3090? JES, IMS, and SPF for 'source deck' preparation?

Some memories: SPF Editor

116 posted on 08/08/2009 10:37:44 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer
does that invalidate all ballots cast for Obama/Biden?

Not an expert, but it likely would invalidate the votes of the Electors for Obama for President, while their votes for Biden for VP would be valid. Result, President Biden.

117 posted on 08/08/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: wideminded

It’s an 8, not a 9.


118 posted on 08/08/2009 10:40:03 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: Bluebeard16

Never heard of Sydney, but I HAVE heard of:

Stanley Ann Dunham
Mrs. Barack H. Obama
Anna Obama
Stanley Ann D. Obama
S. Ann Dunham
Ann Soetoro
S. Ann Dunham Sutoro
S. Ann Dunham Soetoro

... I’m sure I forgot a few ...


119 posted on 08/08/2009 10:41:26 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I thought McCain was officially born in American territory, what was then the Canal Zone territory, as opposed to being born in non-American-held Panama ? Were he born in Panama proper, that would’ve been noted in all his biographical data.

Yea, but this was wrong. The hospital was not in the Canal Zone.. The Press was willing to do its job when it came to John McCain:

The Fact Checker: Candidate Watch - Citizen McCain
Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008

This is what made it into print..

McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008; Page A06

Now if Dobbs had used his considerable talent to look at one Barack Obama with the same skill and diligence, there would be no such thing as a birther.

120 posted on 08/08/2009 10:43:54 PM PDT by dalight
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To: CatOwner

It seems that Congress and SCOTUS do not mind having a potential foreigner in the WH. These are strange and mysterious times.


121 posted on 08/08/2009 10:46:39 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

The transcript in post 114 looks authentic. I have a similar one somewhere. In the lower right corner it shows the courses she took from 9/19/61 to 12/11 and 12/12 61. There were no semesters at the University of Washington.


122 posted on 08/08/2009 10:46:58 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Assuming you are correct, the (hypothetical) situation would provide Biden with a stigma: Biden was nominated by a man not qualified to nominate him.


123 posted on 08/08/2009 10:51:35 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer (Will talk radio and the Internet pull the USA back from the brink?)
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To: Yossarian

“Simply put, zer0 refuses to comply with the U.S. Constitution...”

.
He can do so because no one in Congress has the brass to force the issue.


124 posted on 08/08/2009 10:51:57 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Norman Bates

Bates:
What are you talking about. The article deals with 1961 and I don’t see where 1962 is mentioned


125 posted on 08/08/2009 10:56:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer
Biden was nominated by a man not qualified to nominate him.

Under the law, Biden was nominated by the duly qualified Democratic National Convention, as recommended by Obama.

126 posted on 08/08/2009 10:57:40 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Where do you see August 19, 1962. in the article?


127 posted on 08/08/2009 10:58:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: pissant
Do you remember when the Washington Post did a complete and comprehensive investigation of John McCain's NBC status and came up with - no.. he isn't?

I have remembered it since last year but it seems like most folks around here don't. This whole story line went on for months and it was the left pushing it.

Anyway, I dug this back up in response to a question in this thread. I think the world needs reminding of just how good a job the Press can do when they aren't hiding their heads in the sand.

Check out Post 120 in this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2311748/posts?page=120#120

128 posted on 08/08/2009 11:01:45 PM PDT by dalight
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To: wideminded

totally agree with your post. WTH? I started class in 1981 in September like most colleges require


129 posted on 08/08/2009 11:04:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: LukeL
Biden simply signs everything that Obama already signed.

Congress also passes a resolution making everything Biden signs retroactive.

NO, we don't need a Constitutional Crisis of that magnitude.

Just challenge Obama’s honesty and destroy the Obama myth.

130 posted on 08/08/2009 11:05:00 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Norman Bates

Read it again, I think YOU got it wrong.


131 posted on 08/08/2009 11:06:54 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Norman Bates

“In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii.”


132 posted on 08/08/2009 11:08:28 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: RobbyS

Yes, and other Oprah endorsed authors, who committed historical frauds, were taken down in disgrace.


133 posted on 08/08/2009 11:10:00 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Peter Libra; Admin Moderator; LucyT; null and void; BP2; Polarik; MHGinTN

This post sucks. ZOT it and make the poster start from scratch. reading through the posts it gets confusing between original and ammended.

Skip that.

Make the post original and pristine.

I vote ZOT anyone else?


134 posted on 08/08/2009 11:10:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Adams
2) his given religion is listed as “Muslim” as many birth certificates call out for this.

Religion is not listed on the 1961 Hawaiian long form birth certificate. Here's one from one of the Nordyke twins (the older one) born the very next day after "whatever his name is", if one believes the COLB forgery's information.

and here's one from 1963 that is somewhat easier to read, but one can see the format is the same as the '61.

Incidentally the serial number of the younger of the Nordyke twins, 10638, is still 3 numbers less that BHO Jr.'s, even though he was supposedly born almost a full day earlier, in the same hospital (this week anyway) and the online COLB also indicates his BC was filed 3 days before those of the Nordyke twins, Aug. 8 verse Aug 11. . Something to make you go "hmmm".

135 posted on 08/08/2009 11:11:29 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: CatOwner
There is a legal process.

There is ALSO a political process.

This HURTS Obama, it keeps him off message, or at least it keeps the MSM and the Obamabots off message.

This hurts his “mandate”.

This weakens his ability to lead.

This is VERY important even if we don't remove Obama from office before the end of his 4 year term.

136 posted on 08/08/2009 11:11:46 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Charles Henrickson

“In his latest research, to be splashed on WND early next week, Dr. Corsi will reveal that he has documentary evidence that the mother of Barack Obama Jr., Ms Stanley A. Durham-Soetoro, began evening classes at the University of Washington in Seattle on August 19, 1961. This is just 15 days after she supposedly gave birth to President Obama in Hawaii. “


137 posted on 08/08/2009 11:12:18 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: STARWISE

true, it was not Soeteoro (SP?) until AFTER she got married to that guy.


138 posted on 08/08/2009 11:18:34 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Thanks for your advice.


139 posted on 08/08/2009 11:19:08 PM PDT by AlienCrossfirePlayer (Will talk radio and the Internet pull the USA back from the brink?)
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To: Sherman Logan
If Ms. Dunham, a natural-born citizen, is his mother, then he is a citizen, regardless of where he was born.

Not true. Under the law as it existed in 1961, if Stanley Ann was married to BHO Sr, and if BHO Jr. was not born in the US, then BHO Jr. was not a US Citizen at birth. The could have been naturalized later of course, but then he would not then be "natural born" by anyone's definition.

However if Stanley and and BHO Sr were not married, and BHO Jr was born overseas, or of course in the US, then BHO was a citizen at birth. If born in the US and BHO Sr. acknowledged paternity, as by being married to the mother, or otherwise, then BHO Jr is not "Natural born", because one of his parents was not a Citizen at the time of his birth. Only if someone else is the acknowledged sperm donor might BHO Jr have been natural born. That is having two US citizen parents and being born on territory under US sovereignty.

140 posted on 08/08/2009 11:21:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sloth
Stanley Dunham Obama got divorced from Obama Sr. and then married Soetoro (SP?) and moved to Jakarta Indonesia, where Barry Soetoro aka Obama jr. then went to the Mosque and enrolled in school under the religion “Islam” and was adopted under Indonesian law by his new step father.
141 posted on 08/08/2009 11:24:49 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Adams

or, his REAL father is:

Communist Frank Marshal Davis!


142 posted on 08/08/2009 11:26:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Sicvee
My point is that registering for night school did not imply any immediate time commitment. I had a full time job.

I'm a little confused, did you or did you not, at least theoretically, need to start attending class in late September or around the first of October?

I do tend to think, based on the image of the transcript, your statement, and an investigation of class start dates at U. Washington going back to 2000, that the classes started 9/19/61, not 8/19/61.

However that still doesn't give Stanley Ann much time to recover from the birth, a few days at least, get plane reservations, pack for Seattle, find housing, find a babysitter for the times/days the two classes met, and otherwise get settled. Do-able, but pushing it. Now, if she already had decided on attending, already had a place to live, plane reservations, etc, (or was already in the general area, but not at the University yet, before BHO was born, and only needed to find a babysitter, that would have made it a piece of cake.

Reports from one of her friends puts her and Baby Barry in the Seattle area in mid to late August of '61, with her not really not knowing how to change his diapers. (No trivial thing to learn for an only child in '61, no pampers in those days, just cloth, plastic pants, and diaper pins.).

143 posted on 08/08/2009 11:30:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Boiler Plate

The story has now been changed.
But, it now states her name was “Durhan” and “Durham”.
Crap, can’t these people get, at least, the characters’ names straight?


144 posted on 08/08/2009 11:31:32 PM PDT by gigster
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To: El Gato

I’d like to see a reference to US law in 1961 that the child of a US citizen and a foreign citizen is not born a US citizen. I suspect this is inaccurate.


145 posted on 08/08/2009 11:35:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kansas58
Actually, no.

With­out Obama, there could be no Biden. Biden was vet­ted by the O's people, then put forth as the O's VP choice and then ap­prov­ed by the DNC dur­ing their con­ven­tion. If O's elim­inat­ed, then so is his run­ning mate, since he was the O's pick, not the con­ven­tion's.

It mat­ters not what con­gress wants if every law, ap­point­ment, sign­ed doc­u­ment, et al is argu­ed before the courts of our na­tion as null and void. All those folk out there in FR-land are right when they say this is go­ing to pro­duce a con­sti­tu­tion­al cri­sis. And the long­er that (ahem) man is in the WH, the worse that cri­sis is like­ly to be­come.

146 posted on 08/08/2009 11:35:13 PM PDT by egfowler3 (A poor memory is not the same as a clear conscience.)
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To: MindBender26; Salamander
My FUBAR - All dates 1961, not 1962. My typo

Salamander and I could add a rumble seat to our Rail-built-for-two if you would like to join us on our ride out of town, tastefully attired in tar and feathers...

147 posted on 08/08/2009 11:37:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker (remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: dalight
Actually, I disagree in part.

“Natural Born Citizen” is the OPPOSITE of “Naturalized Citizen”.

If you are a citizen at birth, you are a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

Congress has the power to set standards for citizenship.

The laws at the time Obama was born are the laws that count.

I do agree that the 14th Amendment is not helpful here. The 14th is INCLUSIVE and NOT Exclusive. It tells us that the people covered by the 14th ARE citizens, it clearly does NOT say that those who are not covered, directly, by the 14th, are NOT citizens.

148 posted on 08/08/2009 11:38:24 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
using an IBM 370

Ah, a youngster.

I started on a 360 at college, but also used a discrete transistor 1620 in engineering class. Was an operator on an 1170 which was replaced by a System 3. My hours got cut way back then, because my primary job was running a big sales report on Friday night, and then backing up the single platter non removable hard drive *to cards* sometime latter in the weekend. The System 3's printer was much faster, cutting back on the time to print the report, and had a removable as well as fixed drive, so we would back the fixed drive up using the removable one. Again, much faster than the card pucnh, much, much faster.

By that time I had an AFROTC scholarship, which included $100/month in addition to tuition and books. Also that year I still had one year left on my National Merit Scholarship, a whopping $500/year, which the University refunded to me when the Air Force paid my tuition. Since my wife was teaching full time I quit, and never worked during the school year after that, I did work in a Goodyear factory during the next summer, as I had previous summers.

149 posted on 08/08/2009 11:40:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; AlienCrossfirePlayer

Actually, you’re both wrong. The Constitution doesn’t recognize political parties or their procedures.

Only the electors, as determined by state law, count. How the electors decide to vote is entirely up to them, and they can in theory elect anyone they decide is qualified.

Somewhat of a legal fiction, to be sure, but it is still true that nominations by parties are quite outside the constitutional provisions.


150 posted on 08/08/2009 11:41:20 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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