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Study: U.S. Jews increasingly non-observant (Like their Christian brethern.)
One News Now ^ | 8/9/2009 | Staff

Posted on 08/09/2009 5:42:39 AM PDT by IbJensen

HARTFORD, CN - A new survey suggests that the number of American Jews who consider themselves religiously observant has dropped by more than 20 percent over the last two decades.

The 2008 American Religious Identification Survey found that around 3.4 million American Jews call themselves religious, out of a general Jewish population of about 5.4 million.

Those who call themselves only culturally Jewish rose from 20 percent in 1990 to 37 percent last year according to the study, which also found Jews more likely to be secular than other Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2009polls; americanjews; irreligiousleft; secularization; trends
This falling away would explain why Jews vote for leftists and ignore what is happening in Israel. All this voting for the wrong ideology will come back to haunt them when it's too damned late.
1 posted on 08/09/2009 5:42:39 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
This falling away would explain why Jews vote for leftists and ignore what is happening in Israel.

Wrong, the 100% Democrat vote comes from the little old retired Jew's, in Florida.

2 posted on 08/09/2009 6:05:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: org.whodat

Historically, Jews have voted Democrat since FDR.


3 posted on 08/09/2009 6:09:01 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116

That’s why they are now retired and living in Florida. Except a really nice old man I know, has a business down the street, he’s in his nineties, and works everyday..


4 posted on 08/09/2009 6:12:17 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: IbJensen

...Professor Alan Dershowitz at Harvard has said that in the future observant Jews in America would devolve into a splinter sect like the Amish....he blames this on the trend to marry outside the faith.


5 posted on 08/09/2009 6:26:35 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: org.whodat

I can assure you that pretty much all Jews here in LA are 100% liberal.

Then they go home to a fairly conservative lifestyle.

The LORD did say that His people are stiff necked :)


6 posted on 08/09/2009 6:59:19 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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7 posted on 08/09/2009 7:32:41 AM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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To: IbJensen

Stupid Jews.


8 posted on 08/09/2009 7:46:28 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: IbJensen
Dust off the golden calf Becky we're holding services tonight at Temple Belief in God is Optional.
I have see an ad in a South Florida Jewish newspaper for a new Temple and it actually said: Belief in God is Optional!
American religiuos Jews are outnumbered 4 to i which is exactly the number who vote for Obama to give him the green light to abandon Isreal. http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/05/07/while-american-jews-cheer-him-on-obama-is-killing-israel-they-love-socialism-more-than-israel/
9 posted on 08/09/2009 8:02:35 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: IbJensen

90% of America’s Jews stem from the immigration wave of 1890-1910. They came from Eastern Europe and came largely against the advice of the Rabbinate.
It is no wonder that so many of them and their progeny became non-religious or token-religious(reform, conservative etc.).
Religious Jewry stems from a tiny minority of those “fiddler”generation and largely refugees, escapees and survivors of Hitler and Stalin that came in the 30-50’s. They are popping out babies and are not intermarrying, and are becoming more observant.
Imagine how religious Irish and Italian catholics would be if the Pope condemned immigration to the US in the 1890’s only Sinead Oconnor and Sacco and Vanzetti typeswould have come


10 posted on 08/09/2009 8:02:53 AM PDT by hecht
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To: IbJensen

90% of America’s Jews stem from the immigration wave of 1890-1910. They came from Eastern Europe and came largely against the advice of the Rabbinate.
It is no wonder that so many of them and their progeny became non-religious or token-religious(reform, conservative etc.).
Religious Jewry stems from a tiny minority of those “fiddler”generation and largely refugees, escapees and survivors of Hitler and Stalin that came in the 30-50’s. They are popping out babies and are not intermarrying, and are becoming more observant.
Imagine how religious Irish and Italian catholics would be if the Pope condemned immigration to the US in the 1890’s only Sinead Oconnor and Sacco and Vanzetti typeswould have come


11 posted on 08/09/2009 8:03:23 AM PDT by hecht
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To: IbJensen

Religious Jews like myself have contempt for Jews-In-Name-Only (JINOs) who have replaced Akiba with Alinska and Moses with Marx. They are “Reform” (we say “Deformed”) JINOs, and if you have ever had to suffer through a sermon from one of their female, hyphenated-name males or gay “rabbis” , then you know how utterly detached from Judiasm they are. They are intermarrying, becoming athiests, turning gay and having abortions. And I could not care less. Because my Lubovitch (Orthodox) friends average 8 kids per family, and within 25 years will dominate American Jewry. By the way, 77% of them voted for John McCain last year, as opposed to the 84% of Deformed JINOs who supported the Jew-hating Obama.


12 posted on 08/09/2009 8:15:07 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: hecht
90% of America’s Jews stem from the immigration wave of 1890-1910. They came from Eastern Europe and came largely against the advice of the Rabbinate.

And if they'd listened to their rabbis, they would have stayed and been slaughtered.

So much for listening to rabbis.

13 posted on 08/09/2009 8:26:15 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

true, but those who did stay and survived are the futere


14 posted on 08/09/2009 9:26:06 AM PDT by hecht
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To: org.whodat

As an Israeli, I note that, until recently, even US liberals were pro-defense, which, includes (at the most cynical level), the use of Israel as a military beach head in the middle east, which stabilized the middle east.

In short, miltary aid to Israel was cheaper (and better) than mulitiple carrier fleets in the region.

Even apparent anti-semites like Kennedy realized this.

From the right, in contrast, there was the John Birch variety of Jew hatred (now Ron Paul) and the White Shoe Country Club Jew hatred of James Baker (not active hatred, but just didn’t want a bunch of uncouth hook noses on the links; as bad as Baptists and Catholics, you know) (this group has largely died of old age, except for the US Senate).

In short, only recently has the mainstream Republican Party been more friendly to Israel than the Democrat party, so for an idealistic (meaning, “unrealistic and sucker”) urban Jewish voter, the Democrat party was a natural home.

That is no longer the case.

Unfortunately, by now, most US Jews are secular and have little or no connection to Israel, so it’s too late to matter, from a voting perspective.


15 posted on 08/09/2009 10:07:02 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: FreepShop1
Truth is; observant Jews like us have to redouble our efforts to reach out to our less observant brethren. The efforts of Chabad and of the non-Chabad kiruv movements have been hugely successful. This study may say that large numbers are unobservant, but here in Los Angeles I see nothing but tremendous growth in the religious world here. Many new schools, many new shuls, neighborhoods bursting at the seems with new families. I just do not buy it.

What troubles me about this "study" is that it does not seem to differentiate between Jews who are born of Jewish mothers or not. How many of the Jews in this study aren't Jews at all?

16 posted on 08/09/2009 10:09:23 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: FreepShop1

“Religious Jews like myself have contempt for Jews-In-Name-Only (JINOs)”

I disagree with them, but I recall that is not a Jew’s job to force a fellow Jew into observance — that breeds resentment and a stiff neck and “fake” observance.

That is, observance that lacks the heart and faith behind it, which is pointless.

Love them, be kind to them, and help them the best you can. By far, that is the best strategy.

(FWIW, I am Israeli, was deemed “secular” in Israel, and am leaning toward some sort of non-kabbalistic Orthodox in the States.)


17 posted on 08/09/2009 10:18:08 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Nachum

Off topic, but I had a long discussion with Qaraim who all but convinced me that Judaism could also be patrilineal.

I didn’t agree with him, mind you, but it is a defensible position.


18 posted on 08/09/2009 10:21:20 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
I disagree with them, but I recall that is not a Jew’s job to force a fellow Jew into observance — that breeds resentment and a stiff neck and “fake” observance.

I don't care if they are observant. I care if they preach the DNC platform from the bima, instead of the Torah.

19 posted on 08/09/2009 10:23:01 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Nachum
What troubles me about this "study" is that it does not seem to differentiate between Jews who are born of Jewish mothers or not.

Yep. That was also a big problem in Israel where they let in all these Russians with questionable halachic origins. Now some of them are neo-nazis terrorizing Jews.

20 posted on 08/09/2009 10:25:44 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Jewbacca
I didn’t agree with him, mind you, but it is a defensible position.

A position usually inhabited by those who are married to, have children by, or have loved ones who do not meet the guidelines of matrilinial descent.- Otherwise known as the Halacha which has been Jewish law for a milennia or two.

21 posted on 08/09/2009 10:32:56 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Maybe, but this guy is Israeli by-way-of Istanbul.

Rabbi Chelouche (head rabbi of Netayana) was in the paper recently saying, in the offical opinion of the Orthodox Rabbinate, Karaite are Jews and did not need to undergo even a token circumcision to be halakhically Jewish -— but were to be considered tinok shenishba (prisoner/kidnapped babies), at worst.

Pretty much got there because, even if not Jewish, the Karaite oaths taken (coupled with an existant circumcision) would be sufficient for a gentile to have converted, so certainly good enough for an arguably “half-Jew.”


22 posted on 08/09/2009 10:46:12 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
but were to be considered tinok shenishba (prisoner/kidnapped babies), at worst.

Not sure about that. I would not necessarily accept this one opinion anyway. An "apikoras" is much more serious an issue than this. It would take a bais din to figure it out.

Pretty much got there because, even if not Jewish, the Karaite oaths taken (coupled with an existant circumcision) would be sufficient for a gentile to have converted, so certainly good enough for an arguably “half-Jew.”

Also not necessarily true. Conversion is more complicated than merely having a bris and taking the oath. "Half Jew"? It's like being "half pregnant"; one is either a Jew or not.

Anyway, it is an interesting subject- and a long winded one. :)

23 posted on 08/09/2009 11:08:07 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Don’t get me wrong; I don’t disagree with you, I just think they have a defensible position.

“Half Jew” = half pregnant.

Sure. Hence, the quoatation marks in my post.

To summaraize a very, very long article, the Orthodox Rabbinate postion came about because, when you really grind the conversion process down to the essentials (note, not “best practive” but “essentials,”) they look to conversion of Ruth, which was: (1) accepting G-d as the one true god;(2) taking the Jewish people as ones own people; and for men (3) circumcision.

The “half Jew” (cough) issue helps because a patrlineal Jews is “of” the people even if not “in” the Jewish people, so its a smaller step, so to speak, so making the Jewish people “their people” is a matter of mindset.

It’s a little different in Israel, where you could drop off almost any group (say, Russians with a Jewish grandfather or Indians whose ancestors chos to be Jewish) and, within a generation, they will be propertly Jewish simply by the critical mass of Jews living there, through quiet and private conversion, if need be.


24 posted on 08/09/2009 11:24:48 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Nachum

Re: “aprikoras”

(1) The haredi in old city Jerusalem consider the haredi down the street heretics (and vice versa)

(2) and they consider the Tel Aviv haredi heretics, who think the USA Jews are all heretics

(3) and they all consider the Reform and Conservative heretics,

Etc.

So it’s a small charge these days.

The Karaite Jews are odd (no candle lighting before Shabbos, etc), but they are religously serious Jews, with good intent, and have all pretty much made the aliyah.

This goes a very long way in my book, even when I disagree with them.


25 posted on 08/09/2009 11:31:39 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
(1) The haredi in old city Jerusalem consider the haredi down the street heretics (and vice versa)

You could go even farther with that. LOL. The Misnagdim think the Lubavitchers are heretics too. We have met the enemy and it is us.

and they all consider the Reform and Conservative heretics The Karaite Jews are odd

Um.... yes. :)

26 posted on 08/09/2009 11:59:16 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Abby4116
Historically, Jews have voted Democrat since FDR.

Historically Jews have never voted republican period, ever.

All Roosevelt did was take it from 72% to 82% (reaching 90% in 1940 and 1944), currently it stays at about 78%.

27 posted on 08/09/2009 12:11:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: SJackson
The alarming effects of this across the board decline are reflective in what the voting public allowed into the White House during the last presidential election.

It's like a replay of the fall of Rome.

28 posted on 08/09/2009 4:00:24 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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