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SUBORNED IN THE USA
National Review Online ^ | July 30, 2009 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 08/10/2009 5:51:57 AM PDT by abigail2

Suborned in the U.S.A.
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born.

By Andrew C. McCarthy

Throughout the 2008 campaign, Barack Hussein Obama claimed it was a “smear” to refer to him as “Barack Hussein Obama.” The candidate had initially rhapsodized over how his middle name, the name of the prophet Mohammed’s grandson, would signal a new beginning in American relations with the Muslim world. But when the nomination fight intensified, Obama decided that Islamic heritage was a net negative. So, with a media reliably uncurious about political biographies outside metropolitan Wasilla, Obama did what Obama always does: He airbrushed his personal history on the fly.

Suddenly, it was “just making stuff up,” as Obama put it, for questioners “to say that, you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections.” “The only connection I’ve had to Islam,” the candidate insisted, “is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from [Kenya]. But I’ve never practiced Islam.” Forget about “Hussein”; the mere mention of Obama’s middle initial — “H” — riled the famously thin-skinned senator. Supporters charged that “shadowy attackers” were “lying about Barack’s religion, claiming he is a Muslim.” The Obamedia division at USA Today, in a report subtly titled “Obama’s grandma slams ‘untruths,’” went so far as to claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother is a Christian — even though a year earlier, when Obama’s “flaunt Muslim ties” script was still operative, the New York Times had described the same woman, 85-year-old Sara Hussein Obama, as a “lifelong Muslim” who proclaimed, “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith.”

Such was the ardor of Obama’s denials that jaws dropped when, once safely elected, he reversed course (again) and embraced his Islamic heritage. “The president himself experienced Islam on three continents,” an administration spokesman announced. “You know, growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father . . .” The “Muslim father” theme was an interesting touch: During the campaign, when the question of Barack Hussein Obama Sr.’s Islamic faith reared its head, the candidate curtly denied it with an air of what’s-that-got-to-do-with-me? finality: “My father was basically agnostic, as far as I can tell, and I didn’t know him.” And, it turns out, the spokesman’s fleeting bit about “growing up in Indonesia” wasn’t the half of it: Obama had actually been raised as a Muslim in Indonesia — or, at least that’s what his parents told his schools (more on that in due course).

These twists and turns in the Obama narrative rush to mind when we consider National Review’s leap into the Obama-birth-certificate fray with Tuesday’s editorial, “Born in the U.S.A.”

The editorial desire to put to rest the “Obama was born in Kenya” canard is justifiable. The overwhelming evidence is that Obama was born an American citizen on Aug. 4, 1961, which almost certainly makes him constitutionally eligible to hold his office. I say “almost certainly” because Obama, as we shall see, presents complex dual-citizenship issues. For now, let’s just stick with what’s indisputable: He was also born a Kenyan citizen. In theory, that could raise a question about whether he qualifies as a “natural born” American — an uncharted constitutional concept.

The mission of National Review has always included keeping the Right honest, which includes debunking crackpot conspiracy theories. The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff. Even Obama’s dual Kenyan citizenship is of dubious materiality: It is a function of foreign law, involving no action on his part (to think otherwise, you’d have to conclude that if Yemen passed a law tomorrow saying, “All Americans — except, of course, Jews — are hereby awarded Yemeni citizenship,” only Jewish Americans could henceforth run for president). In any event, even if you were of a mind to indulge the Kenyan-birth fantasy, stop, count to ten, and think: Hillary Clinton. Is there any chance on God’s green earth that, if Obama were not qualified to be president, the Clinton machine would have failed to get that information out?

CERTIFICATE AND CERTIFICATION

So, end of story, right? Well, no. The relevance of information related to the birth of our 44th president is not limited to his eligibility to be our 44th president. On this issue, NRO’s editorial has come in for some blistering criticism. The editorial argues:

The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

On reflection, I think this was an ill-considered assertion. (I should add that I saw a draft of the editorial before its publication, was invited to comment, and lodged no objection to this part.) The folly is made starkly clear in the photos that accompany this angry (at NRO) post from Dave Jeffers, who runs a blog called “Salt and Light.”

To summarize: What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: name and sex of the newborn; date and time of birth; city or town of birth, along with the name of the Hawaiian island and the county; the mother’s maiden name and race; the father’s name and race; and the date the certification was filed. This certification is not the same thing as the certificate, which is what I believe we were referring to in the editorial as “the state records that are used to generate birth certificates [sic] when they are requested.”

To the contrary, “the state records” are the certificate. They are used to generate the more limited birth certifications on request. As the Jeffers post shows, these state records are far more detailed. They include, for example, the name of the hospital, institution, or street address where the birth occurred; the full name, age, birthplace, race, and occupation of each parent; the mother’s residential address (and whether that address is within the city or town of birth); the signature of at least one parent (or “informant”) attesting to the accuracy of the information provided; the identity and signature of an attending physician (or other “attendant”) who certifies the occurrence of a live birth at the time and place specified; and the identity and signature of the local registrar who filed the birth record.

Plainly, this is different (additional) information from what is included in the certification. Yet, our editorial says that “several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate [by which we clearly meant ‘certification’],” and that the “director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate [i.e., certification] is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.” (Italics mine.)

That misses the point. The information in the certification may be identical as far as it goes to what’s in the complete state records, but there are evidently many more details in the state records than are set forth in the certification. Contrary to the editors’ description, those who want to see the full state record — the certificate or the so-called “vault copy” — are not on a wild-goose chase for a “secondary document cloaked in darkness.” That confuses their motives (which vary) with what they’ve actually requested (which is entirely reasonable). Regardless of why people may want to see the vault copy, what’s been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.

Now, let’s address motives for a moment. Are some of those demanding the full state records engaged in a futile quest to prove Obama is not a U.S. citizen? Are they on what the editors call “the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of [Obama’s] election and presidency disappear”? Sure they are. But not everyone who wants to see the full state records falls into that category. I, for one, have very different reasons for being curious.

WHO IS THIS GUY?

Before January 20 of this year, Barack Obama had a negligible public record. He burst onto the national scene what seemed like five minutes before his election to the presidency: a first-term U.S. senator who actually served less than four years in that post — after a short time as a state legislator, some shadowy years as a “community organizer,” and scholastic terms at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard that remain shrouded in mystery. The primary qualification supporters offered for Obama’s candidacy was his compelling life story, as packaged in 850 pages’ worth of the not one but two autobiographies this seemingly unaccomplished candidate had written by the age of 45.

Yet we now know that this life story is chock full of fiction. Typical and disturbing, to take just one example, is the entirely fabricated account in Dreams from My Father of Obama’s first job after college:

Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe. As far as I could tell I was the only black man in the company, a source of shame for me but a source of considerable pride for the company’s secretarial pool. They treated me like a son, those black ladies; they told me how they expected me to run the company one day. . . . The company promoted me to the position of financial writer. I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank. Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors — see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand — and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve. . . .

As the website Sweetness & Light details, this is bunk. Obama did not work at “a consulting house to multinational corporations”; it was, a then-colleague of his has related, “a small company that published newsletters on international business.” He wasn’t the only black man in the company, and he didn’t have an office, have a secretary, wear a suit and tie on the job, or conduct “interviews” with “Japanese financiers or German bond traders” — he was a junior copyeditor.

What’s unnerving about this is that it is so gratuitous. It would have made no difference to anyone curious about Obama’s life that he, like most of us, took a ho-hum entry-level job to establish himself. But Obama lies about the small things, the inconsequential things, just as he does about the important ones — depending on what he is trying to accomplish at any given time.

In the above fairy tale, he sought to frame his life as a morality play: the hero giving up the cushy life of the capitalist “enemy” for the virtues of community organizing. But we’ve seen this dance a hundred times. If Obama wants to strike a connection with graduating students in Moscow, he makes up a story about meeting his “future wife . . . in class” (Barack and Michelle Obama met at work). If he wants to posture about his poverty and struggle in America, he waxes eloquent about his single mother’s surviving on “food stamps” so she could use every cent to send him “to the best schools in the country” (Obama was raised by his maternal grandparents, who had good jobs and were able to pull strings to get him into an elite Hawaiian prep school). If he wants to tie himself to the civil-rights struggle of African Americans, he tells an audience in Selma, “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma . . . so [my parents] got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born” (Obama was born in 1961, four years before the civil-rights march in Selma — by which time his parents had divorced and his mother was planning a move to Indonesia with the second of her two non-African-American husbands). If he wants to buy a home he can’t afford, he “unwittingly” collaborates with a key fundraiser (who had been publicly reported to be under federal investigation for fraud and political corruption). If he wants to sell a phony stimulus as a job-creator, he tells the country that Caterpillar has told him the stimulus will enable the company “to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off” (Caterpillar’s CEO actually said no, “we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again”).

The fact is that Obama’s account of his background is increasingly revealed as a fabrication, not his life as lived; his utterances reflect the expediencies of the moment, not the truth. What is supposed to save the country from fraudulence of this sort is the media. Here, though, the establishment press is deep in Obama’s tank — so much so that they can’t even accurately report his flub of a ceremonial opening pitch lest he come off as something less than Sandy Koufax. Astonishingly, reporters see their job not as reporting Obama news but as debunking Obama news, or flat-out suppressing it. How many Americans know, for example, that as a sitting U.S. senator in 2006, Obama interfered in a Kenyan election, publicly ripping the incumbent government (a U.S. ally) for corruption while he was its guest and barnstorming with his preferred candidate: a Marxist now known to have made a secret agreement with Islamists to convert Kenya to sharia law, and whose supporters, upon losing the election, committed murder and mayhem, displacing thousands of Kenyans and plunging their country into utter chaos?

A MUSLIM CITIZEN OF INDONESIA

The aforementioned Indonesian interval in Obama’s childhood is instructive. Obama and the media worked in tireless harmony to refute any indication that he had ever been a Muslim. It’s now apparent, however, not only that he was raised as a Muslim while living for four years in the world’s most populous Islamic country, but that he very likely became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia.

Shortly after divorcing Barack Obama Sr., Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married an Indonesian Muslim, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo, whom she met — just as she had met Barack Sr. — when both were students at the University of Hawaii. At some point, Soetoro almost certainly adopted the youngster, who became known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama’s lengthy, deeply introspective autobiographies do not address whether he was adopted by the stepfather whose surname he shared for many years, but in all likelihood that did happen in Hawaii, before the family moved to Jakarta.

Under Indonesian law, adoption before the age of six by an Indonesian male qualified a child for citizenship. According to Dreams from My Father, Obama was four when he met Lolo Soetoro; his mother married Soetoro shortly thereafter; and Obama was already registered for school when he and his mother relocated to Jakarta, where Soetoro was an oil-company executive and liaison to the Suharto government. That was in 1966, when Obama was five. Obama attended Indonesian elementary schools, which, in Suharto’s police state, were generally reserved for citizens (and students were required to carry identity cards that matched student registration information). The records of the Catholic school Obama/Soetoro attended for three years identify him as a citizen of Indonesia. Thus Obama probably obtained Indonesian citizenship through his adoption by Soetoro in Hawaii. That inference is bolstered by the 1980 divorce submission of Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro, filed in Hawaii state court. It said “the parties” (Ann and Lolo) had a child (name not given) who was no longer a minor (Obama was 19 at the time). If Soetoro had not adopted Obama, there would have been no basis for the couple to refer to Obama as their child — he’d have been only Ann Dunham’s child.

In any event, the records of the Catholic school and the public school Obama attended during his last year in Indonesia identify him as a Muslim. As Obama relates in Dreams from My Father, he took Koran classes. As Obama doesn’t relate in Dreams from My Father, children in Indonesia attended religious instruction in accordance with their family’s chosen faith. Moreover, acquaintances recall that young Barry occasionally attended Friday prayers at the local mosque, and Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s half-sister (born after Lolo and Ann moved the family to Jakarta), told the New York Times in a 2008 interview, “My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.” In fact, back in March 2007 — i.e., during the early “Islamic ties are good” phase of Obama’s campaign — the candidate wistfully shared with New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof his memories of the muezzin’s Arabic call to prayer: “one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset.” Kristof marveled at the “first-rate accent” with which Obama was able to repeat its opening lines.

The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard. Obama was only ten years old when he left Indonesia; there is no known evidence of his having made an adult choice to practice Islam, and he is a professed Christian. The point is that he lies elaborately about himself and plainly doesn’t believe it’s important to be straight with the American people — to whom he is constantly making bold promises. And it makes a difference whether he was ever a Muslim. He knows that — it’s exactly why, as a candidate, he originally suggested his name and heritage would be a selling point. Obama’s religious background matters in terms of how he is perceived by Muslims (Islam rejects the notion of renouncing the faith; some Muslims, like Libyan strongman Muammar Qaddafi, make no bones about regarding Obama as a Muslim; and — as the mainstream media took pains not to report during the campaign — it is suspected that significant illegal donations poured into the Obama campaign from Islamic countries and territories). Obama’s religious background also matters in terms of how he views American policies bearing on the Muslim world.

WHEN DID INFORMATION SUDDENLY BECOME A BAD THING?

While it is all well and good to belittle the birth-certificate controversy, without it we’d know only what the media and Obama himself would tell us about his multiple citizenships, which is nothing. As noted above, we now know Obama, by operation of British and Kenyan law, was a citizen of Kenya (a status that lapsed in 1982, when he turned 21). That’s something voters would find relevant, especially when Obama’s shocking 2006 conduct in Kenya is considered. But we don’t know about his Kenyan citizenship because the media thought it was newsworthy. We know it only because of the birth-certificate controversy: Pressed to debunk the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya, his embarrassed supporters felt compelled to clarify his Kenyan citizenship.

By contrast, the question whether Obama ever was an Indonesian citizen is still unresolved, as are such related matters as whether the foreign citizenship (if he had it) ever lapsed, and whether he ever held or used an Indonesian passport — for example, during a mysterious trip to Pakistan he took in 1981, after Zia’s coup, when advisories warned Americans against traveling there. By the way, many details about that journey, too, remain unknown. Obama strangely neglected to mention it in his 850 pages of autobiography, even though the 20-year-old’s adventure included a stay at the home of prominent Pakistani politicians.

There may be perfectly benign answers to all of this. But the real question is: Why don’t the media — the watchdog legions who trekked to Sarah Palin’s Alaska hometown to scour for every kernel of gossip, and who were so desperate for Bush dirt that they ran with palpably forged military records — want to dig into Obama’s background?

Who cares that Hawaii’s full state records would doubtless confirm what we already know about Obama’s birthplace? They would also reveal interesting facts about Obama’s life: the delivering doctor, how his parents described themselves, which of them provided the pertinent information, etc. Wasn’t the press once in the business of interesting — and even not-so-interesting — news?

And why would Obama not welcome Hawaii’s release of any record in its possession about the facts and circumstances of his birth? Isn’t that kind of weird? It would, after all, make the whole issue go away and, if there’s nothing there, make those who’ve obsessed over it look like fools. Why should I need any better reason to be curious than Obama’s odd resistance to so obvious a resolution?

There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.

But we should know. The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was. The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history? On that issue, Obama has demonstrated himself to be an unreliable source and, sadly, we can’t trust the media to get to the bottom of it. What’s wrong with saying, to a president who promised unprecedented “transparency”: Give us all the raw data and we’ll figure it out for ourselves?

— National Review’s Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the National Review Institute and the author of Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad (Encounter Books, 2008).


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The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born.

This is an excellent article about character

1 posted on 08/10/2009 5:51:58 AM PDT by abigail2
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Bump to the top.


2 posted on 08/10/2009 5:53:08 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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Bump to the Bottom
3 posted on 08/10/2009 5:55:26 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: abigail2

What was it Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr once said about dreaming of an America where “one was judged not by the color of his skin, but the content of his character”?


4 posted on 08/10/2009 5:55:58 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; AliVeritas; ALOHA RONNIE; AnnaZ; bert; BIGLOOK; blackie; blackminorca; Bob J; ..
WHO IS THIS GUY?

Before January 20 of this year, Barack Obama had a negligible public record. He burst onto the national scene what seemed like five minutes before his election to the presidency: a first-term U.S. senator who actually served less than four years in that post — after a short time as a state legislator, some shadowy years as a “community organizer,” and scholastic terms at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard that remain shrouded in mystery. The primary qualification supporters offered for Obama’s candidacy was his compelling life story, as packaged in 850 pages’ worth of the not one but two autobiographies this seemingly unaccomplished candidate had written by the age of 45.

Yet we now know that this life story is chock full of fiction. Typical and disturbing, to take just one example, is the entirely fabricated account in Dreams from My Father of Obama’s first job after college:...

5 posted on 08/10/2009 5:59:17 AM PDT by abigail2
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Its about the honesty of the media as well. They love to scream “Racist republican birthers” yet conveniently omit mentioning Phil Berg, Alan Keyes, and Roger Calero. They also fore go mentioning that the same demands were made of John McCain and he quickly complied.

If the media were honest enough to mention those other facts, they would have little choice but to ask some critical questions of Obama.


6 posted on 08/10/2009 6:01:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Why?


7 posted on 08/10/2009 6:03:01 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, if it weren’t for the slimy MSM we would demand to know a few facts...


8 posted on 08/10/2009 6:06:28 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: cripplecreek

bttt


9 posted on 08/10/2009 6:06:43 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: abigail2

Indeed. I wonder now whether the whole big hoopla over the use of his middle name in the campaign wasn’t just a demonstration to see if his “machine” could be successful in keeping people from probing into all these other personal aspects of “The One”. They knew then, as we are learning now, that his past life is cloudy at best, and flat-out disqualifying at worst. They may have figured if they could control information until after he was elected,it wouldn’t matter anymore. Done deal.


10 posted on 08/10/2009 6:11:24 AM PDT by bigbob
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Good article


11 posted on 08/10/2009 6:12:18 AM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: abigail2

Had Obama been born in Iolani Palace it would have no bearing on the constitutional question of his eligibility. Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States. He is not now the lawful President.

By Obama’s own admission his father was an alien. Obama’s father was a British subject at the time of his son’s birth on August 4, 1961; Obama’s father became a citizen of Kenya upon the occasion of Kenyan independence; and Obama’s father never became a citizen of the United States.

By Obama’s own admission he held dual citizenship until his twenty-first birthday. Obama held Kenyan citizenship through his father and American citizenship through his mother.

By Obama’s own admission he was required by Kenyan law to accept or reject Kenyan citizenship upon reaching the age of majority.

By Obama’s own admission, in obedience to Kenyan law, he elected to renounce his Kenyan citizenship on his twenty-first birthday, August 4, 1982. Having renounced this foreign allegiance Obama became, by default, a citizen of the United States alone.

Obama is not a citizen of the United States by nature. He did not inherit his American citizenship at birth from two citizen parents. The Constitution of the United States expressly establishes this condition as a qualification for the office of President of the United States. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.”

Obama IS NOT a natural born citizen.

Obama is a citizen of the United States by law. He renounced a competing allegiance to a foreign state as required by the laws of that foreign state in order to become, exclusively, a citizen of the United States.

Obama IS a naturalized citizen.

The result of the election of 2008 was defective. The candidate for President who received the highest number of votes was and is constitutionally disqualified. An unlawful tenure of the Presidency, regardless of its duration, can not serve to legitimize it.


12 posted on 08/10/2009 6:12:37 AM PDT by Art II Sec 1
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To: abigail2

Its interesting. A liberal (berg), a black man (Keyes), and a socialist resident alien (Calero) are all “Racist republican birthers”.


13 posted on 08/10/2009 6:12:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: abigail2

Great article; thanks.


14 posted on 08/10/2009 6:20:57 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: abigail2

Upon a second reading, this really deserves everyone’s attention and BTTT.

Probably the most succinct summary of the birth certificate issue, as well as other details of BHOs life and deceptions.

I’ve always found that a person who lies when it really doesn’t matter will tell some real whoppers when it does!


15 posted on 08/10/2009 6:21:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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That’s a good point. It’s such an ordeal that no one wants to go into it. They are smart, evil can be smart......


16 posted on 08/10/2009 6:23:01 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

“How many Americans know, for example, that as a sitting U.S. senator in 2006, Obama interfered in a Kenyan election, publicly ripping the incumbent government (a U.S. ally) for corruption while he was its guest and barnstorming with his preferred candidate: a Marxist now known to have made a secret agreement with Islamists to convert Kenya to sharia law, and whose supporters, upon losing the election, committed murder and mayhem, displacing thousands of Kenyans and plunging their country into utter chaos?”

How many FReepers knew this?


17 posted on 08/10/2009 6:28:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Art II Sec 1
. Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.

We have not even got into the Acorn stealing the election thing......IF YOU HAVE NOT WAKED UP YET...AMERICANS...WAKE UP NOW!

18 posted on 08/10/2009 6:29:44 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: cripplecreek

lol


19 posted on 08/10/2009 6:30:15 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

20 posted on 08/10/2009 6:31:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: bigbob
Upon a second reading, this really deserves everyone’s attention and BTTT.

Probably the most succinct summary of the birth certificate issue, as well as other details of BHOs life and deceptions.

I’ve always found that a person who lies when it really doesn’t matter will tell some real whoppers when it does!

Worth repeating....

21 posted on 08/10/2009 6:31:47 AM PDT by abigail2
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"But we should know. The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was."

How can you be? You have no PROOF!! In fact, his Kenyan grandmother unequivocally states she remembers well the date and exact spot he was born. You go to great lengths to prove the grandmothers honesty, then dismiss her allegations as to Soerto's birthplace?

You must get terrible migraines from your brain cells fighting against themselves.

The Birther's want Obozo to PROVE he is a natural born citizen. It is precisely because of all the lies and deception surrounding Obozo that this question be satisfied.

The COLB that Obama produced is NOT proof of being born in Hawaii, it is only proof of being born- somewhere. It does NOT state he was born in Hawaii, it only states the COLB was applied for and issued in Hawaii. ANYONE could get a COLB in Hawaii at the time, regardless of where they were born, or even a citizen of the USA. It is merely a certificate that is required for "residents" in Hawaii to produce if applying for things like welfare, or "foodstamps" to feed a family. You can't just claim you have 6 kids when you walk into the foodstamp store, or whereever it is that foodstamps and government cheese are handed out.

22 posted on 08/10/2009 6:32:29 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I didn’t know that...do you have a source?


23 posted on 08/10/2009 6:33:54 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: Nathan Zachary

Hey, McCarthy isn’t the enemy...cool your jets...save your righteous indignation for those who truly deserve it...they would love to see us attacking each other for petty things.


24 posted on 08/10/2009 6:37:17 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2
“Hillary Clinton. Is there any chance on God’s green earth that, if Obama were not qualified to be president, the Clinton machine would have failed to get that information out?”

In my opinion:

Yes. Obama’s failure to reveal the BC is more telling than the Clinton's failure to reveal whatever he is hiding.

It would seem Obama is hiding something his BC would reveal, something damaging even if it doesn't make him ineligible. Of course the Clintons would have gotten that information out during the election if they could have. They couldn't for some reason which, like the info on the BC, is unknown to us. But that in itself doesn't mean there's nothing to reveal.

25 posted on 08/10/2009 6:42:21 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: abigail2
"I’ve always found that a person who lies when it really doesn’t matter will tell some real whoppers when it does! Worth repeating....

Who would have thought Democrats would have put up another liar, who turns out to have fabricated his entire life even more so than John F('n)Kerry did, immediately following losing an election for that very reason?

Or is it because there aren't any Democrats whose names and lives aren't a complete fabrication in order to cover up their felony criminal past, or true identity as a foreign communist infiltrator?

26 posted on 08/10/2009 6:42:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: stephenjohnbanker
How many FReepers knew this?

There were more than just a few. I wasn't the only one to have pointed it out, during the course of the election.

27 posted on 08/10/2009 6:46:51 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: abigail2
"Hey, McCarthy isn’t the enemy...cool your jets...save your righteous indignation for those who truly deserve it...they would love to see us attacking each other for petty things."

Never said he was. That doesn't mean you can't question his reasoning and assertions however. We aren't Democrats, (at least I'm not)who blindly accept everything fellow democrats say.)

Righteous indignation? Attacking?

28 posted on 08/10/2009 6:48:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: abigail2

Railla Odinga is Obama’s cousin. As far as source, run it through your favorite search engine.

Or, if you like, I can do that and find a link to post here for you.

The BBC reported it, I recall that much.


29 posted on 08/10/2009 6:48:51 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: KrisKrinkle
Yes, i agree, and also they are using it to frustrate us. I don't really understand why they are so sure he is a citizen...but even if he is why all the lies, who does he think he is....


30 posted on 08/10/2009 6:50:58 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: bigbob
Upon a second reading, this really deserves everyone’s attention and BTTT.

Probably the most succinct summary of the birth certificate issue, as well as other details of BHOs life and deceptions.

I’ve always found that a person who lies when it really doesn’t matter will tell some real whoppers when it does!

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Is Obama's grandmother's signature on Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate---the one with the spaces for a doctor signature and a hospital name---as a witness to Obama's birth?

1. Could that be the main reason that Obama is spending $500,000 to $1,000,000, and counting, to have high-priced lawyers fight to keep Obama's long form birth certificate and Obama's Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records out of the courts and out of the dirty hands of birthers?

2. 1961 Hawaii peculiar birth certificate rules: Remember, way back in 1961, Hawaii allowed parents to merely mail in a child's birth certificate if the child was NOT born in a hospital. The doctor and midwife spaces could be left empty if a doctor or midwife was not present at the birth.

3. However, as I understand it, someone had to sign as a witness to the home birth.

4. My theory is this: Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital, and that is one reason he is fighting so hard to keep his long form birth certificate from being displayed in court for everyone to see.

5. But if Obama was not born in a hospital and not under the care of a doctor or midwife, then who was the witness who signed the birth certificate stating that he/she was a witness to the birth before the Obama birth certificate was mailed in to the Hawaii vital statistics department?

6. There had to be a witness signature. How about Grandma Dunham being that witness?

7. Grandma Dunham signed it? How about this theory: The main reason that Obama does not want us to see his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate is that Grandma Dunham signed it, where she stated that she was a witness to Obama's birth.

8. So, I say this: Obama must stand up as a man and allow Hawaii to release his 1961 birth certificate so that we can see if a doctor signed the birth certificate, or if Grandma Dunham, Obama's grandmother, signed the birth certificate.

31 posted on 08/10/2009 6:52:46 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: abigail2
I should apologize for the snip, as do not usually make one as such. But is the same old, same old information just constructed in a different outline to finished story,.. that makes no difference in the grand scheme of things-"what's best for the country"-- and then I go and bore you and repeat myself on "why"...so don't have the time or inclination. More important issues to contend with where one can really make a difference.

But for the comment I do so apologize, was not meant for the poster but for the redundancy of the story by a coat tail commentary.

32 posted on 08/10/2009 6:53:39 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: RegulatorCountry
I have seen the videos of him, but I didn't know he was his cousin. I just don't have time for all this, I also host a thread for Jesse Lee Petersons Radio Show...Here
33 posted on 08/10/2009 6:54:18 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

BTTT - and for later reading ...


34 posted on 08/10/2009 6:55:55 AM PDT by _Jim
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To: Nathan Zachary
"How can you be? You have no PROOF!! "

And that is really the point. The so-called "revealed proofs" of Obama's supposed Hawaiian birth amount to essentially zero. NONE of them would be accepted as legal proof of natural-born citizenship. The ONLY legally-attested such proofs are the sworn statements that Obama made to the various state offices in charge of elections that he "satisified the requirements" to run for President.

This controversy is very easily eliminated. All that is necessary is for the Hawaiian "Director of Health" (or whatever her correct title is---the gal in charge of birth records) to issue a NOTARIZED STATEMENT to the effect that she has examined Obama's birth records, and he was, in fact, born on US soil. She could accomplish the same by going to any judge, being put under oath, and making a verbal statement to the same effect. THESE steps would constitute "proof". Newspaper birth announcements, on-line images, and similar items do not constitute PROOF.

35 posted on 08/10/2009 7:00:08 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thanks


36 posted on 08/10/2009 7:00:18 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

Let us stipulate, for the moment, that the real, vault-copy of the birth certificate clearly shows the man known as barack obama was born in a hospital in Honolulu.

Then why is he so afraid to release this document for public awareness and the historical record? I believe there is a very simple, straight-forward answer for that which is shown on the birth certificate that is “embarrassing” to Obama and his campaign operatives. How many votes did Obama receive from Blacks and Guilty-White Liberals for no other reason than they could feel good because they would be voting for the “First Black President”. I contend the number would be millions, probably the winning plurality that put him in office.

Now go back in time to last summer 2008, a few months prior to the election. What if the campaign had actualy released the real birth certificate to the public? Remember, Obama’s mother was White and his father was partially Black and Arab. It would not be unreasonable if the birth certificate indicates baby Obama as “Caucasion”. If so, then the seemingly relentless campaign to keep the birth certificate out of the public eye makes sense. Conservatives assumed he was trying to get past a constitutional requirement. But what if he was simply trying to hide his official race because his campaign narrative of his election being “historical” would have been negated and rendered untrue?


37 posted on 08/10/2009 7:01:40 AM PDT by JohnEBoy
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"How many FReepers knew this?"

Plenty. This was well known long before Obama won the democrat primary. It was posted many many times. There is nothing McCarthy mentions that wasn't known long ago by most Freepers who were trying to expose Obama for who he really is, writing to MSM, commenting on their reader comments only to have them scrubbed or screened, or the paper print a story to refutew the allegations.

That is why people like me have been complaining about media hiding Obama's identity from the very beginning, printing only glory stories and elevating Obama to Messiah status.

Much of this information was easily found at first, now most if not all has been sanitized from the internet completely. If not for freepers saving screen shots, there would be no way to prove thee facts now.

Some stuff may surface in a few years in web archives like way back machine, but until then, it's caught in limboland.

38 posted on 08/10/2009 7:01:45 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: JohnEBoy

LOL! THanks, I never thought of that...or what if it says Arab?!!


39 posted on 08/10/2009 7:08:26 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2
Osama bin Laden, announced just before 9/11, that he would destroy the American economy....maybe Obama is his secret weapon....
40 posted on 08/10/2009 7:10:15 AM PDT by thinking
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To: abigail2
This is an excellent article about character

Or lack of good character. And that's, at minimum, why the BC issue is important. It provides yet another window into who or what obama is. He hides his BC, something real Americans, regardless of where they are born, often must provide for situations much less important than the Presidency or Presidential credibility. Why??

His followers, in or out of the closet, here or elsewhere, do their best to spin this into anything but what it is. It's not about racism, it's about character, honesty and certainly it's about the Constitution. Wake up! Snap out of the trance!

41 posted on 08/10/2009 7:16:46 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Wonder Warthog
"All that is necessary is for the Hawaiian "Director of Health" (or whatever her correct title is---the gal in charge of birth records) to issue a NOTARIZED STATEMENT to the effect that she has examined Obama's birth records, and he was, in fact, born on US soil. She could accomplish the same by going to any judge, being put under oath, and making a verbal statement to the same effect. THESE steps would constitute "proof". Newspaper birth announcements, on-line images, and similar items do not constitute PROOF."

I don't think that constitutes proof. Only hearsay. Because there is so much controversy surrounding the issue, so many that have already co-conspired with Obama to hide the information on his real birth records, that only the official birth record can satisfy the question.

There can be nothing "embarrassing" on his birth record, other than Obama not being who he claims to be, which would be a felony, wouldn't it. Or at the very least, expose one eventually.

Not being who you say you are, regardless if he is a natural born citizen or not, is a deception. There is a good chance that the people who voted for Obama -or whatever his name is- wouldn't have, had they known who and what he really was.

So even if he is a natural born citizen, the election would still have to be nullified, because he misrepresented himself.

42 posted on 08/10/2009 7:17:05 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I didn’t read FRee Republic from Jan 08 to June 09, as I was battling cancer. This just goes to prove how valuable Free Republic is. During that time, I did read a book by Corsi on Obama, and that was all I needed to know about him. Corsi proved that Obama was:

1) A dedicated Marxist

2) A pathological liar.

If we are unable to impeach Obama, a civil war seems likely.
Sad times in America.


43 posted on 08/10/2009 7:23:02 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Merely verifying that he was born on us soil isn’t all we want to know.

They would LOVE to get away with merely satisfying that one question, and in fact have already attempted to do so. It isn’t really a lie, and if they weren’t asked if if his name was Barry Hussain Obama on the records, he’d get away with misrepresenting himself to the electorate.


44 posted on 08/10/2009 7:23:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

“So even if he is a natural born citizen, the election would still have to be nullified, because he misrepresented himself. “

I don’t know where Obama was born. I DO know he is hiding his whole life from America.

Why are these off limits?

1. Certified copy of original birth certificate
2. Columbia University transcripts
3. Columbia thesis paper
4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5. Harvard University transcripts
6. Illinois State Senate records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11. Occidental College Transcripts
12. Parent’s marriage Certificate
13. Record of baptism
14. Selective Service registration records
15. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16. Scholarly articles
17. Access to his grandmother (Obama’s grandmother has since passed away from cancer)
18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
19. Punahou grade school records


45 posted on 08/10/2009 7:26:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: abigail2

Øbama is a arrogant, narcissistic, elitist, liar!


46 posted on 08/10/2009 7:28:50 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: thinking

THats right.....makes since


47 posted on 08/10/2009 7:29:52 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: GBA

Well said GBA


48 posted on 08/10/2009 7:30:52 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Glad to see you are hanging around again...bless you! You are right, but no BC would make it easy to undo the mess he’s created.


49 posted on 08/10/2009 7:33:34 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Great to see all that put down in black and white...thanks.


50 posted on 08/10/2009 7:35:04 AM PDT by abigail2
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