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Weather records are a state secret
UK Telegraph ^ | 08/01/09 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 08/10/2009 8:51:15 AM PDT by AKSurprise

"One cause of the blunders that have made the Met Office a laughing stock is less widely appreciated, however. It is that the multi-million pound computer it uses to assist its short-term forecasting for Britain is also one of the four main official sources of data used by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to predict global warming. In this respect the IPCC's computer models have proved just as wrong in predicting global temperatures as the Met Office has been in forecasting those mild winters and heatwave summers."

"In recent months, in fact, a curious little drama has been unfolding over attempts by Steve McIntyre, a Canadian statistical expert, to get the Met Office and the CRU to divulge the computer data on which they base their temperature record. Mr McIntyre was not only the chief demolisher of the "hockey stick", showing how it was based on a seriously skewed computer model, but later exposed the "adjustments" which had skewed the other official record of surface temperatures, run by Dr James Hansen of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies. (The two other official sources of temperature data are based on satellite measurements.)

When Mr McIntyre made Freedom of Information requests to see the data used to construct the HadCrut record (as he has chronicled on his ClimateAudit blog) he was given an almighty brush-off, the Met Office saying that this information was strictly confidential and that to release it would damage Britain's "international relations" with all the countries that supplied it.

The idea that temperature records might be a state secret seems strange enough, but when the policies of governments across the world are based on that data it becomes odder still that no outsider should be allowed to see it."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: envirowackos; globalwarming; globalwarmingscare; goracle; junkscience; pseudoscience; starkravingsocialism; uk
When the data does not pan out as the warmists have foretold, the answer appears to be to hide the data, rather that check the premise...
1 posted on 08/10/2009 8:51:15 AM PDT by AKSurprise
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2 posted on 08/10/2009 8:52:47 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 08/10/2009 8:53:15 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: AKSurprise
".. multi-million pound computer.."

If they'd get a more modern computer it wouldn't weigh so much.

4 posted on 08/10/2009 8:54:11 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: AKSurprise
"When the data does not pan out as the warmists have foretold, the answer appears to be to hide the data, rather that check the premise..."

This is always the case when ideological based governments are in play. The truth is relative, you understand. When things don't go as predicted or planned, the Ministry of Truth rises to the occasion and invokes the power of the "Memory Hole."

5 posted on 08/10/2009 8:56:03 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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To: AKSurprise
Maybe the secret is the location of the temperature stations. We don't want the Ruskies to know where all of the air conditioning compressors and tarmacs for jet aircraft are (based on where too many of the temperature stations are around the US).
6 posted on 08/10/2009 9:10:40 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama's medical nationalization bill reads like Atlas Shrugged with doctors instead of railroads.)
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To: AKSurprise

When they run their models, they should be able to plug in values from 40 years ago and pinpoint them to accurate estimations of the present temperatures.

Failing that their models are bogus.


7 posted on 08/10/2009 10:06:57 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Jaxter

Uniblab is NOT amused.

8 posted on 08/10/2009 10:08:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: AKSurprise
"In this respect the IPCC's computer models have proved just as wrong in predicting global temperatures as the Met Office has been in forecasting those mild winters and heatwave summers."

You can't "predict" global temperatures. You need to use a thermometer and measure them.

There's just no end to the wasteful idiocy at the UN. I guess that's what happens when you have a never ending supply of someone else's money to spend on stupid imaginary problems dreamed up by dope smoking envirowienies.

9 posted on 08/10/2009 10:15:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Jaxter

Even the computers used for the Apollo landers only weighed 70 pounds.


10 posted on 08/10/2009 10:18:24 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

The article is from England.

Pound is the cost not the weight.

They would have used kilos for weight.


11 posted on 08/10/2009 11:12:22 AM PDT by JBR34
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To: JBR34

Silly, they use Euros in England. ;)


12 posted on 08/10/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

No, astoundingly they still use the Great British Pound (GBP). That may well change in the mid-term future, regardless if the conservatives take parliament. Cameron is a wimp, and they have their own problem with so-called “moderates”.


13 posted on 08/10/2009 1:40:12 PM PDT by AKSurprise ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: AKSurprise

GBP is an americanism. We tend to use the term “sterling”.

And yes, so far we have resisted the dubious attractions of the “euro”.


14 posted on 08/11/2009 4:41:37 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: AKSurprise

Having endured the volatile vagaries of the British weather, and the assorted inept methods developed to predict it, for most of my 48 years I can state quite unequivocally that they would do no worse than selling this computer and replacing it with a single crystal ball (or if thats too neo-pagan for you, a large hat containing folded bits of paper would do just as well).

Forget Islamification, gun-control, socialist health care, lack of a written constitution and bad dentists. The biggest problem Britain has is that the country doesn’t have a roof!


15 posted on 08/11/2009 4:48:12 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Nathan Zachary
You can't "predict" global temperatures. You need to use a thermometer and measure them.

Seems to me, it's awfully hard to measure tomorrows global temperature today, probably even impossible. </sarc>

You have to predict tomorrow's temperature, and maybe that's not much easier than measuring tomorrow's temperature today, but it's at least possible even if not as accurate as you might want.

For anything that you can measure today, you can predict tomorrows measurement, or next years measurement. Accuracy of the prediction is a different question.

16 posted on 08/11/2009 2:39:20 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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