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Wolf-control program challenged in Congress (AK)
Anchorage Daily News ^ | August 9, 2009 | Erika Bolstad

Posted on 08/10/2009 12:24:07 PM PDT by jazusamo

AIRBORNE: Hunts allowed with airplanes only when it's a biological emergency

WASHINGTON -- Alaska's predator control program to kill wolves, which drew renewed national scrutiny during former Gov. Sarah Palin's bid for vice president, is under attack in Congress.

Two California Democrats have introduced legislation that would all but ban the practice of shooting wolves from airplanes to control their numbers. The legislation, introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. George Miller, would force Alaska game officials to declare a biological emergency that shows the imminent collapse of a species without the program.

Even if the state could demonstrate such an emergency, the law would limit aerial hunting to state or federal wildlife employees, barring private contractors that are currently allowed to kill wolves from fixed-wing airplanes.

"What this bill does is essentially makes it impossible for Alaska to manage wolf populations in any sort of responsible way," said Pat Valkenburg, deputy commissioner of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. "We finally have a program that works and to end it because of the emotional feelings of uninformed people is just not a good idea."

Alaska's Board of Game renewed its aerial predator-control effort seven years ago after complaints from hunters that a healthy wolf population was preventing moose and caribou populations from recovering in some areas, including parts of the state where subsistence hunters depend on game for food. Six areas of the state -- about 10 percent of the state -- have predator-control programs in place for wolves.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: alaska; feinstein; management; wolves
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"Shooting wildlife from airplanes is not sport -- it is cruel and inhumane," Feinstein said in a written statement. "It undermines the hunting principle of a fair chase and often leads to a slow and painful death for the hunted animals. This practice should be banned."

This method of wildlife management is not meant to be sport, it is a practical way to manage wolf numbers in some areas where it's extremely difficult to manage them on the ground.

I don't know why Feinstein and Miller think they know better than Alaska wildlife officials how to manage wolves.

1 posted on 08/10/2009 12:24:09 PM PDT by jazusamo
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2 posted on 08/10/2009 12:25:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76; girlangler; Flycatcher

Wolf management Ping!


3 posted on 08/10/2009 12:27:03 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Clear violation of the 10th Amendment


4 posted on 08/10/2009 12:27:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: jazusamo

They are from the south and just know better. If you don’t think so just ask them they will tell you they are much smarter than anyone who oppose them, and will use language to tell you so in no uncertain terms. YOU RIGHT WING RABELROUSER!!


5 posted on 08/10/2009 12:29:26 PM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: jazusamo
Two California Democrats have introduced legislation that would all but ban the practice of shooting wolves from airplanes to control their numbers. The legislation, introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. George Miller, would force Alaska game officials to declare a biological emergency that shows the imminent collapse of a species without the program.

Here we have two morons from a failed state telling another state what to do. These folks cannot competently govern their own state or the federal government as demonstrated by their failed policies. They simply do not know what they are talking about, IMO.

6 posted on 08/10/2009 12:29:49 PM PDT by olezip
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To: jazusamo
I don't know why Feinstein and Miller think they know better than Alaska wildlife officials how to manage wolves.

Those two idiots think they know more about everything than anyone else. They're two of the staunchest Marxists in Congress, elected by Marxist-dominated districts. They're pacifying their PETA and environmentalist constituents.

7 posted on 08/10/2009 12:30:20 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: jazusamo
Typical libs.....find an emotional angle, void of facts, and attack it.
Around Yellowstone, wolves are out competing Griz for food, but these lib moonbats believe each wolf requires a Supreme Court conviction before it can be eliminated......
8 posted on 08/10/2009 12:30:53 PM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: All

Box all the wolves up and ship the critters to Kalifornia!


9 posted on 08/10/2009 12:31:27 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: taxcontrol
Clear violation of the 10th Amendment

Exactly! That's the way I see it also.

10 posted on 08/10/2009 12:32:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Again California is trying to tell another state how to manage it’s business.

Time to break up California.


11 posted on 08/10/2009 12:35:21 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: jazusamo

I think they should just up the bounty on wolves, and allow individuals to cull the packs. This would save a lot of money in fuel and aircraft expenses, give individuals more sport and not be such bad PR. Besides, there really is something inherently wrong with shooting animals from the iar, sort of like fish in a barrel.


12 posted on 08/10/2009 12:35:27 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: G Larry
Typical libs.....find an emotional angle, void of facts, and attack it.

Yep, they're doing the same thing that Defenders of Wildlife, PETA, HSUS and most other enviro and animal rights nuts do.

13 posted on 08/10/2009 12:35:46 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
There are remote villages where the children are not allowed outside to play because of the danger of wolves in the area.


14 posted on 08/10/2009 12:37:54 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: jazusamo

Feinstein and Miller need a refresher course on how much damage these predators do to the ranchers and the food supply those ranchers are raising to feed the world!!!

Beyond stupid!!


15 posted on 08/10/2009 12:38:05 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: jazusamo

This reminds me of a story, supposedly true.
The ranchers in a particular state were having trouble with wolves killing their sheep, so the ranchers were killing the wolves.
The feds heard about it and sent some people to the area and scheduled a meeting with the ranchers and some environmental groups.
At the meeting the feds proposed that the wolves be captured, fixed and then released.
One of the ranchers spoke up saying,”I don’t think you boys know what’s going on here. The wolves aren’t screwing our sheep, they’re killing our sheep”.


16 posted on 08/10/2009 12:39:07 PM PDT by tal hajus
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To: stuartcr

I think the biggest problem trying to manage wolf populations are the large mostly inaccessible areas, that being the reason they want to use aircraft. I agree with you on the bad PR part of it.


17 posted on 08/10/2009 12:39:56 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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I don't know why Feinstein and Miller think they know better than Alaska wildlife officials how to manage wolves.

First of all, they are Democrats. But this is really about keeping the negative news focused on Sarah Palin, because they might be able to have a picture of her in a helicopter with a rifle as a stock photo next to their story. Sarah Palin is their greatest fear. That low-pitched humming noise is the gnashing of liberal teeth as they fear they day that she comes into the Lower 48 to campaign for Republicans.

18 posted on 08/10/2009 12:41:03 PM PDT by webheart
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To: jazusamo

I’m sure that if there was enough incentive, ie planned hunts into back country, drops within known over-populated areas, stuff like that, that there would be a sufficient number of culls, to help. I just can’t understand someone that could shoot an animal from an aircraft. To me, it’s very distasteful and shows no respect for the animal.


19 posted on 08/10/2009 12:43:07 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: tal hajus

LOL!

That’s true. It took place in some meeting on the subject and a rancher stood up and said that.


20 posted on 08/10/2009 12:44:03 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

The Alaskan delegation needs to introduce legislation that mandates how California conducts its affairs.


21 posted on 08/10/2009 12:44:25 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: jazusamo

We can’t drill in the Anwar Coastal Plain because it might cause problems for the Moose and Carribou, of which there are non on the Coatal Plain. Wolves do cause problems for the Moose and Carribou, but we can’t control them.

Doesn’t anybody get the sense of stupid people being stupid?


22 posted on 08/10/2009 12:45:28 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: jazusamo

These two are an embarrassment. FYI, George Miller is at the heart of the water war going on in California. A massive farmer protest is scheduled for his office on 8/13/09. They will be accompanied by Central Valley Tea Party Patriots.


23 posted on 08/10/2009 12:50:11 PM PDT by ForEvers
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To: jazusamo
Drop Feinstein and Miller into the wolf infested area. Let them learn first hand what the citizens of Alaska experience on a daily basis. Arm them the same way they allow citizens of CA to be armed. It's only fair. No more than 50 rounds a month under some of the plans they have in mind. Make them wait two weeks before they can have the arms as well. Let the wolves and bears do what the voters of CA won't do.
24 posted on 08/10/2009 12:52:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: stuartcr
Besides, there really is something inherently wrong with shooting animals from the iar, sort of like fish in a barrel.

You'll need something more convincing than a vague feeling. What, exactly, is inherently wrong? Is it that they are at a disadvantage? This isn't for sport, it's because they are predators, and their appetite is exceeding the food supplies.

And besides, fish in a barrel is not a good analogy. They have nowhere to go, and you don't shoot them. Wolves can go anywhere. It isn't like there's a fence around them that makes them an easy target. Alaska is a big place, and there aren't roads to most of it. Maybe if there were some more humane way to do it, like driving in on snowmobiles and capturing them, and taking them into wolf internment camps?

25 posted on 08/10/2009 12:54:09 PM PDT by webheart
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To: ForEvers

So Miller is one of them that want to put many farmers out of business because of the Delta smelt needing the water that goes in the aqueduct. Those people are absolutely nuts!


26 posted on 08/10/2009 12:54:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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Related..............

Safari Club Goes To U.S. Supreme Court Safari Club International has taken its litigation efforts to the nation's highest court with the filing of an amicus brief before the U.S. Supreme Court in the case U.S. v. Stevens.

SCI’s brief defends the production and distribution of hunting TV programs and videos – activities of great importance to SCI members and hunters generally. The case involves a federal law that makes it a criminal offense to produce, sell, or possess a depiction of “animal cruelty.”

But the devil is in the details. The statute's definition of "animal cruelty" could foreseeably include TV or videos that depict lawful hunting. For example, if an outdoor television program filmed a black bear hunt in Pennsylvania where bear hunting is legal, but distributed it in New Jersey where bear hunting is not currently legal, then those involved could be in violation of the law. In this example, mere possession of a bear hunting video in New Jersey with the intent to distribute could also be criminalized. In its brief, SCI argued to the Court that the law as written is unconstitutional under the First Amendment because it criminalizes legitimate speech.

The Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation joined SCI on the amicus curiae brief, filed on July 27. Many anti-hunting groups, including the Humane Society, lined up on the other side. The Supreme Court will hear the case on October 6, 2009, the first day of its new term. View the brief HERE.

27 posted on 08/10/2009 12:56:27 PM PDT by Osage Orange (“A community organizer can’t bitch when communities organize.....” - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Myrddin

There’s something to be said for that. :)


28 posted on 08/10/2009 12:56:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Osage Orange

Interesting, thanks for posting.


29 posted on 08/10/2009 12:59:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: webheart

I do not need something more than a vague feeling, to feel that shooting animals from an aircraft is inherently wrong. That is the inherent part, it goes against my idea of the mutual respect we should have for a wild animal. I know it isn’t for sport, that is why I suggested having individuals do the culling from the ground, not from an aircraft. It would, to me, be a much more win-win situation, both for the individuals doing the culling and for PR purposes. We hunters/sportsmen/gun owners have a bad enough time as it is with the negative perception people have of us. To shoot animals from an aircraft, even for a good reason, does not sit well with the general public, and there is no way we can change people’s minds about that.


30 posted on 08/10/2009 1:02:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: jazusamo

I does feel like the inmates are running the asylum...


31 posted on 08/10/2009 1:11:58 PM PDT by ForEvers
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To: stuartcr

“To shoot animals from an aircraft, even for a good reason, does not sit well with the general public, and there is no way we can change people’s minds about that.”

I suspect if you took a survey _in Alaska_ regarding this practice, you’d be in for a surprise. I suspect the majority are just fine with it - and Alaskans are the only ones who should have any say.

Also note that this practice has become common in Texas to cull out of control feral pig populations.

There aren’t enough hunters, and the animals are too numerous and elusive to control them any other way.


32 posted on 08/10/2009 1:17:53 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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I just can’t understand someone that could shoot an animal from an aircraft. To me, it’s very distasteful and shows no respect for the animal.

Have you even been to Alaska?? Outside of the metropolitan areas, that is? If so, you wouldn't make such a totally dumb a$$, bleeding heart, PETA statement.

Maybe you don't understand that there is a higher small aircraft ownership per capita in Alaska than anywhere is else in the US. Because you can't even get there in all terrain vehicles!! You don't just get in your SUV and drive down the interstate to go wolf hunting, with your fancy Cabella's camo suit and hunters vest. In fact, you don't do that just about anywhere to go wolf hunting.

Talk about stupid, dumb$hit statements. Do some research besides reading PETA and Sierra Club press releases.

And if you actually did have some knowledge about the situation, you would know that it is not "sport" hunting that Alaska is doing. This is rather serious conservation measures to insure that the elk, moose and caribou herds aren't decimated by the over abundance of the wolf as predator.

Sheesh, whadda maroon!

33 posted on 08/10/2009 1:20:07 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: jazusamo
Comment removed by poster to save the moderator the trouble

34 posted on 08/10/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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I hear ya!


35 posted on 08/10/2009 1:26:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Wolf control in Alaska is an Alaskan issue that should be dealt with in Alaska. Congress needs to butt out of something they know nothing about other than the drivel spewed forth by a small cabal of hysterical fanatical extremists.


36 posted on 08/10/2009 1:30:31 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: webheart; stuartcr
You'll need something more convincing than a vague feeling. What, exactly, is inherently wrong? Is it that they are at a disadvantage? This isn't for sport, it's because they are predators, and their appetite is exceeding the food supplies. And besides, fish in a barrel is not a good analogy. They have nowhere to go, and you don't shoot them. Wolves can go anywhere. It isn't like there's a fence around them that makes them an easy target. Alaska is a big place, and there aren't roads to most of it. Maybe if there were some more humane way to do it, like driving in on snowmobiles and capturing them, and taking them into wolf internment camps?

Thank you for your answer to stuartcr.

I could not think of a polite way to say that he/she needed to do much more research on the problem before commenting.

37 posted on 08/10/2009 1:38:55 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: AlaskaErik

Well said and dead on the money!


38 posted on 08/10/2009 1:39:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Dear Congressional A-holes,
This is our state, we know it better than you could even know. You are clueless bastards pandering to the dregs of society. But out! This is a state and local issue. In other words, shut your coffee holes!
Sincerely,
VPINTHEAK


39 posted on 08/10/2009 1:40:04 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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Thanks for you answer to stuartcr. RIGHT ON THE MONEY !!

When I read the very uninformed comments made, I was pi**ed.

40 posted on 08/10/2009 1:43:41 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: jazusamo

I may be wrong, but didn’t California Fish and Game do an aerial cull of goats on some of their offshore islands a few years ago?


41 posted on 08/10/2009 1:46:54 PM PDT by hawkboy
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I don’t know if they used aircraft or not but they have culled island goats.


42 posted on 08/10/2009 1:51:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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I guess you have no knowledge of the terrain in AK. You talk about "drops within known over-populated areas" etc. How the hell are the hunters going to get back out? Planes can't land there - it's not like there's a landing strip just down the road a little bit. They shoot from planes because it's the only way that they have access to culling the packs.
43 posted on 08/10/2009 1:52:50 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: jazusamo

Alaska’s perfect answer would be to trap the excess wolves and release them on the estates of these clowns.


44 posted on 08/10/2009 2:05:36 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: stuartcr
To me, it’s very distasteful and shows no respect for the animal.

ROTFLMAO!

45 posted on 08/10/2009 2:54:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obama is in way over his ears.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Yes, they may be fine with it, but I find shooting animals from aircraft to be distasteful.

If the cost per animal was broken down, which would include aircraft maintenance, fuel, pilot services, etc, were figured out, I wonder if that amount could be used as a bounty, to give incentive for more individuals to cull the packs.


46 posted on 08/10/2009 3:09:59 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: hadit2here

Yes. I am a hunter from way back, and a carnivore.

I realise it is culling/animal control, not hunting. I don’t see why organised hunts cannot be conducted via aircraft to those locations, and expeditions sent out from a centralised landing zone.

If we do not want to continually hear from these anti-hunting/gun types, something must be done. Otherwise, I’m betting we will see the end of the wolf-control programs, completely.

Thank you for your most polite comments.


47 posted on 08/10/2009 3:13:58 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Access from lakes, is very doable. It would not be easy, but can be done, if the incentive is there. The alternative, is to continually see this issue all over the media in the lower 48, which will result in such negative PR, that the culling process, will probably come to an end soon. This would at least control some of the population, instead of none of it.


48 posted on 08/10/2009 3:17:24 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

What? Fish in a barrel? I’ll bet you oppose fishing with dynamite too


49 posted on 08/10/2009 3:25:25 PM PDT by faucetman
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To: jazusamo

Well then Alaska should just tell the feds that it is none of their business how Alaska controls their wildlife. I hope they do. The feds have no business interfering in any of this.


50 posted on 08/10/2009 3:26:31 PM PDT by calex59
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