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Officials see rise in militia groups across US
Breitbart ^ | 8/12/09 | EILEEN SULLIVAN

Posted on 08/11/2009 10:34:45 PM PDT by Sammy67

WASHINGTON (AP) - Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends. The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark,

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; bho44; domesticterrorism; firearms; government; guns; militia; obama; splc; third100days; unitedstates; weapons

1 posted on 08/11/2009 10:34:46 PM PDT by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

I bet if Obama supplied his BC, a lot of this would go away.


2 posted on 08/11/2009 10:40:27 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: Sammy67

The Army better hire those “internment / resettlement specialists” pronto!!


3 posted on 08/11/2009 10:41:13 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sammy67

Gee, I wonder why? Could it be that people are tired of being marginalized? Or, that they no longer place any trust in this government?


4 posted on 08/11/2009 10:43:40 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: Sammy67
killer

It is concerns about a Communist president (who just happens to be black) and a Communist congress. This constant painting of opposition as racist is so worn out only the invincibly ignorant are falling for it anymore.

5 posted on 08/11/2009 10:44:08 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Sammy67

Just shocking and amazing. Imagine.


6 posted on 08/11/2009 10:45:03 PM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: Sammy67

According to their criteria, two guys that are friends that are tired of being ass-raped by the government, who own firearms, probably constitute being a militia.

Where they get the race angle, I have no idea.

I suppose I’m a one man militia. I own firearms and strongly disapprove of the size, scope, and actions of our government. Race has nothing to do with it. I have no plans to take up arms against the government, but according to these people, I doubt that disqualifies me from being a “militia” person.

I didn’t care for it when Bush was President either....


7 posted on 08/11/2009 10:46:49 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Sammy67

And somehow we are supposed to be surprised by this.??
If they fear the resurgence of an armed militia.
That’s good. They should. God bless America.


8 posted on 08/11/2009 10:46:55 PM PDT by Pompah
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To: Sammy67

The government SHOULD fear the people, the people SHOULD NOT fear THEIR government.


10 posted on 08/11/2009 10:49:54 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Sammy67

It’s time to revolt!


11 posted on 08/11/2009 10:50:01 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Sammy67

Standard SPLC boilerplate. The BO media is pretty much on schedule with the marginalizing any opposition to him. BO will probably soon trot out some Bob Bullard type to be his Right Wing Militia Czar.


12 posted on 08/11/2009 10:52:56 PM PDT by VR-21 (If it's a vision of the future you want......)
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To: Sammy67
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
13 posted on 08/11/2009 10:53:59 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Sammy67
The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Strange how they don't mention that all those deaths WERE caused by the government. Weaver and the Davidians were setup by the government. If the government had just left them alone they'd be alive today, along with the people in the Murrah Building.

14 posted on 08/11/2009 10:56:29 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Sammy67

Real headline: the Southern Povery Law Center finds something to do with the gobs of cash it gets from Congress.


15 posted on 08/11/2009 10:58:20 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Sammy67
Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends. The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says.

First the article alleges these groups are "Regrouping" and then states they, "Could grow rapidly", then it states reasons for the "Recent rise".

Which is it?

16 posted on 08/11/2009 11:07:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

“All it’s lacking is a spark,” McEntire said in the report.

Obama, Reid, and Pelosi say we are Nazi’s, Mobs, and try to ram health care down the citizens throats..There actions are like a flamethrower....enough to set the spark off.


17 posted on 08/11/2009 11:20:43 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: Sammy67

I have gone back and forth on this myself. the construction of all of these camps would require quite a labor force. there is no way 100% of the workers would be fans of muslim boy. there would be some that would be taking and posting pictures of the work. I do not deny that this is all possible but I think that there would be more out there regarding the construction and basic infrastructure work neede to bring these places up to speed.


18 posted on 08/11/2009 11:30:13 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Nateman

racist = 95%+ voters who voted ONLY because he was black.
racist = ACORN and SEIU thugs I see on you tubes around USA
racist = black panthers with billy clubs
racist = rev.wright, former muslim, full time race baitor

these people who are grouping together ARE NOT RACIST. They have been insulted, called stupid and/or rednecks, ridiculed as Bible thumping zealots, as fringe elements and whitey. yes, and they likely are mostly white because it is the white race which is being pillaged and raped right now through the obamanation. So I’m not surprised.


19 posted on 08/11/2009 11:39:25 PM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: VR-21

“Standard SPLC boilerplate.”

Exactly. If there were left-wing death squads roaming the country they wouldn’t say sh!t.

Brace yourselves for some kind of provocative “incident.”

They’ll want to nip any organized grassroots opposition in the bud, and they’ll want to be able to label us all as violent kooks.

Well, I’m not a kook.


20 posted on 08/11/2009 11:44:47 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: bareford101

Typical really, the left routinely accuses the good guys of things they are guilty of themselves. They project their way of dealing with the world onto other people as if we think the same way they do.


21 posted on 08/11/2009 11:53:33 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Sammy67

Still makes me mad that the Clinton Administration went after those groups like they did. They claim they got rid of them all but what they actually did was send those groups more underground making infiltration impossible. I’m talking about those few groups that really are a danger to all. Now in order to stop them we have to wait for them to attack.


22 posted on 08/12/2009 12:00:55 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Sammy67

...a liberal administration led by a black president...

Just can’t let that black thingy go can they? All of us extremist are racist dontchyaknow. That’s the sole reason for people reacting against this government. NOT the fact that we are watching a dictator in the making with a tyrannical government body supporting him. Nah.....couldn’t be anything like that.


23 posted on 08/12/2009 12:04:56 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: Sammy67

*rolls eyes* The Southern Poverty Law Center huh? I guess Morris Deas is looking to do some fundraising.


24 posted on 08/12/2009 12:07:09 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sammy67

What concerns me is that some of them seem to have gone *underground*. The deleted all of their You Tube videos, some even shut down their forums and said all communication will be done off the internet. I asked what was going on at one of the forums and they asked for my phone number, name and address and said that was the only way they discuss anything.
I said no, went back a few days later and the website was gone. Closed until further notice or something like that.


25 posted on 08/12/2009 12:10:57 AM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Sammy67

The ATF and the SPLC working in tandem. We are in some deep feces.


26 posted on 08/12/2009 12:25:38 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Sammy67

“Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.”

It’s not a theory.

http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/mecha/archive/plan.html

http://www.aztlan.net/

http://www.aztlan.net/la_gran_marcha.htm

http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Aztl%C3%A1n

http://www.umich.edu/~mechaum/Aztlan.html

If any of this rings bells, maybe it’s because our newest Supreme Court justice is a member (albeit the part that has been cleaned up in the past few years to look more respectable) as well as the mayor of Los Angeles.

The prototype separatist bill, supported by Obama and the progressive socialist Democrats, is already moving through Congress and may become law as early as September. The “Akaka Bill” would give Native Hawaiians the right to form a separatist government in Hawaii, supposedly because the sovereign “indigenous” government of the Kingdom of Hawaii was illegally overthrown by the United States (actually not true, but truth doesn’t stand in the way of these measures).

http://akaka.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Home&issue=Akaka%20Bill&content_id=24

Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) are then poised to make the same arguments for creation of a Chicano homeland in the Southwest and California, on the ground, that like Hawaiians, they too are “indigenous Native Americans” and had their land taken from them by force in the Mexican-American War. They will point to the Akaka Bill as precedent and demand they be given the same treatment. If the government says no, they will then say they are being denied equal protection with other groups being given special rights as natives. (How to turn the Bill of Rights upside down.)


27 posted on 08/12/2009 1:28:16 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Sammy67

Funny- at least some of these militias in the early 90s included a number of black Vietnam vets.They tended to be respected for their weapons knowhow and did weapons training.


28 posted on 08/12/2009 1:31:26 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: KoRn
Where they get the race angle, I have no idea.< P>The most basic social/political division in the world of the American Left is between perceptive, intelligent caring Liberals, and racists. Everyone in America falls decisively into one of those two categories. "Racist" can be substituted for every other epithet in the Liberal vocabulary for non-Liberals and is used as an intensifier for all the descriptions and names they use to describe non-Liberals. "Racist" simply means "not us" to Liberals.
29 posted on 08/12/2009 1:36:26 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Sammy67
There was/is nothing ‘right’ about the destruction of that federal building in OK.

Why are the union thugs out assaulting citizens that are invited by their elected representatives ‘town hall’ meetings not considered ‘militias’ that need to be ‘watched’?

30 posted on 08/12/2009 1:47:49 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
The militias formed partly because of Ruby Ridge and Waco but the fuel for the continued development, the veritable explosion of the phenomenon was the pervasive fear that the Clinton government was going to do a total gun confiscation. The libs of the time were all discussing that goal and were promising to finally accomplish it, not in big speeches, but in their publications and their conventions. It reached a peak in September of 1994 and began to slack off just a bit in October as the mood began to change as people began to think the Republicans would gain in November.It evanesced when the Republicans got control of Congress in Newt's revolution.

Through the 2nd half of 1993 and up to the 1994 election the price of military grade used rifles increased steadily as they became harder and harder to find. An M1 Garand that could be bought for $250=300 in 1992 was hard to find at $1500 in September 1994. In December I saw several for under $400.

31 posted on 08/12/2009 1:49:11 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: PLMerite
Brace yourselves for some kind of provocative “incident.”

That is my fear as well. I think the thugs will manufacture another crisis so they will think they have an excuse to try to push more gun control and to curtail our freedoms even more.
32 posted on 08/12/2009 2:29:23 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: kaehurowing

Kudos for your research and links.

The fact remains that Texas and the lands to to the West were ceded to Texas from Mexico by treaty. The Republic of Texas later sold or gave the lands further West to the US.

Mexico has no legal claim on any of that land.


33 posted on 08/12/2009 2:35:54 AM PDT by octex
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To: KoRn

Hang on KoRn’
You obviuosly are an extremist.
ObammY’s minions will b there to get your
Extremist gun toting butt real soon.


34 posted on 08/12/2009 5:23:10 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: octex
"...Mexico has no legal claim on any of that land..."

They don't let facts get in the way. All across the West and on University campuses are folks who are absolutely certain that the land under their feet belongs to the "brown race", and that there will be no justice until their dream is realized. Their dream involves the death or expulsion of those that don't have the correct skin tone.

35 posted on 08/12/2009 5:32:06 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Sammy67
I knew it. I knew it it. As soon as I read the FIRST sentence, I KNEW it!
The SPLC is at it again.

(They should be on a Terrorist Watch List!)

36 posted on 08/12/2009 5:42:26 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Travis McGee
Perhaps of interest.
37 posted on 08/12/2009 5:47:29 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Sammy67

The sad irony is that the ATF and SPLC act so afraid of the Militias, when it reality they are more anti-American than most militias.


38 posted on 08/12/2009 5:56:16 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: VR-21

I believe some years back the SPLC was found to be discriminating against blacks in their hiring practices. The SPLC is nothing, but a marxist communist cesspool deluge in my opinion.
Molon Labe,


39 posted on 08/12/2009 6:00:04 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: octex
Mexico has no legal claim on any of that land.

They will claim those lands by right of reconquest, that is the plan, they moved in Americans moved out ergo the lands now belong to Mexico.

Illegal aliens are an invading army with no right to be here or claim citizenship in our country for them or their children.

40 posted on 08/12/2009 6:15:56 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Nateman

Nateman:

Re: Post#5, where did you get that poster? I LOVE it! Would like a hard copy. Your comments are right on target too. Thanks.


41 posted on 08/12/2009 7:59:10 AM PDT by 7.62mm ("Quis costodiet, ipsos costodes?" Juvenal, Satires 6, Line 347)
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To: KoRn
Where they get the race angle, I have no idea.

Remember, this is the Southern Poverty Law Center. They will throw out charges all around and some stick to those who are inclined to agree with them. They are basically a group of subversives.

42 posted on 08/12/2009 8:00:58 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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