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Biker killed in freeway road-rage clash
Fox 5 San Diego ^

Posted on 08/12/2009 5:41:25 AM PDT by DemonDeac

"CAMARILLO, Calif. - A motor home struck and killed a motorcyclist, dragging his body about 75 feet on U.S. Highway 101 in a bloody conclusion to a Ventura County road-rage encounter.

The motorcycle was impaled on the motor home.

Witnesses and motor home driver Michael Antoine told the California Highway Patrol the biker made obscene hand gestures and pulled in front of the motor home before braking suddenly Monday afternoon."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
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Darwin Award worthy.
1 posted on 08/12/2009 5:41:25 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

Better to get road rage in a Hummer than on a bike.


2 posted on 08/12/2009 5:44:43 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( MARSOC DAD)
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To: DemonDeac
Suicide by RV?
3 posted on 08/12/2009 5:44:55 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Audit the FED NOW!)
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To: DemonDeac

This article is carefully written to imply the road rage was on the part of the motor home driver. It was not - according to the CHP, it was the bicyclist who went insane, and got himself killed by flipping off the driver, movig in front of the motor home and slamming on the brakes.

But the MSM wants to protect the liberal insanity and aggressiveness from being exposed.


4 posted on 08/12/2009 5:45:24 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: DemonDeac

Don’t bring a motorcycle to an RV fight.


5 posted on 08/12/2009 5:47:35 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: DemonDeac
pulled in front of the motor home before braking suddenly

Wow, yeah, not smart. Depending on other people to NOT squash you like a bug AFTER you've pissed them off is generally not advisable.

Always get a kick out of movies where motorcycles menace cars; all the car has to do is stop or turn and the biker is deep in the hurt box.

6 posted on 08/12/2009 5:47:48 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: DemonDeac

“...the biker made obscene hand gestures and pulled in front of the motor home before braking suddenly Monday afternoon.”

Darwin Award candidate (don’t bring a bike to a motorhome fight).


7 posted on 08/12/2009 5:49:09 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: Talisker

More about the “rage boy” results of liberal policies and upbringing, little to do with “liberal insanity and aggressiveness”. It’s just as likely the ‘biker’ could have been a white supremicist neo-nazi as anything. It wouldn’t matter in the long run, the results are the same.


8 posted on 08/12/2009 5:49:45 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Talisker

“This article is carefully written to imply the road rage was on the part of the motor home driver. It was not - according to the CHP, it was the bicyclist who went insane, and got himself killed by flipping off the driver, movig in front of the motor home and slamming on the brakes.”

I have no earthly idea how you took that from the article.


9 posted on 08/12/2009 5:51:36 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Talisker
movig in front of the motor home and slamming on the brakes.

That had to be a dramatic shift in perspective for the motorcylist. "I'll show that sumbitch" ...very rapidly evolves to.."Oh Sh*t."

10 posted on 08/12/2009 5:51:48 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Talisker
What the hell are you talking about?

...it was the bicyclist who went insane...

There was no bicyclist, it was a motorcycle.

But the MSM wants to protect the liberal insanity and aggressiveness from being exposed.

And that one makes even less sense.

No biker that I know that would flip off a RV would have a shred of liberal insanity.

Insanity, yes, but far, far from liberal in nature.

Re-read the story.

11 posted on 08/12/2009 5:52:59 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: DemonDeac
I gotta say I get SO PO'd when cages do stupid things that put my life in danger but you gotta remember who you are and where you are. I do admit that when folks do stupid things around me I figure they are mostly driving the same routes so I look for 'em later in my F-350. I call it the "Iceberg". Folks respect that.

Μολὼν λάβε


12 posted on 08/12/2009 5:53:24 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: Disambiguator

Best line of the morning:

“Don’t bring a motorcycle to an RV fight.”

Kudos to Disambiguator!!!


13 posted on 08/12/2009 5:56:00 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Talisker

Darwinism in action...the dead guy should win the “Hold Muh Beer” award.


14 posted on 08/12/2009 5:59:11 AM PDT by astounded (The democrat party is a clear and present danger to America.)
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To: Disambiguator

LOL!!! Great line!


15 posted on 08/12/2009 5:59:16 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: DemonDeac
I have no earthly idea how you took that from the article.

By reading it:

"Patrol the biker made obscene hand gestures and pulled in front of the motor home before braking suddenly Monday afternoon.

CHP Officer Terry Uhrich says the 68-year-old motor home driver was traveling about 55 mph in the southbound lanes in Camarillo and couldn't avoid slamming into the bike.

The 57-year-old Ventura biker, whose name is being withheld, was thrown under the motor home and dragged about 75 feet before coming loose in travel lanes."

What did you get from the article?

16 posted on 08/12/2009 5:59:21 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: wastoute

LOL!

I feel the same in my Silverado 2500HD. I recall one day where some thug in a compact car tried cutting in my aunt’s funeral procession. He quickly changed his mind. ;)


17 posted on 08/12/2009 5:59:59 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: DemonDeac

Sometimes, stupid has it’s price.


18 posted on 08/12/2009 6:00:08 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: OldSmaj
I drive a bigtruck, and I sit 10 feet off the road ... seeing well over all the traffic.

An RV is not that high, but an RV driver is high enough to see beyond the biker and would/should automatically see if there is a reason for a bike to brake.

That's the physical part of my thinking ... the psych part says ... ain't no way a biker, no matter HOW pi$$ed off he may be, would pull an adolescent trick like that.


I think the RV driver is the one that raged against the biker.

19 posted on 08/12/2009 6:01:49 AM PDT by knarf
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To: DemonDeac

I second the nomination. An old guy in a SUV ain’t going to stop on a dime. Unless the guy’s name was Dime, heh heh.


20 posted on 08/12/2009 6:04:04 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: OldSmaj; DemonDeac
What the hell are you talking about?
There was no bicyclist, it was a motorcycle.

Whoops.

I plead familiarity with California bicyclist jerks.

I don't suppose a 57 year old motorcyclist was presumably operating under the same deranged liberal compulsions as a California bicyclist, either?

No, I guess not.

In the immortal words of Rosanne Rosannadanna: "Never Mind."

(I'm going to get another cup of coffee...)

21 posted on 08/12/2009 6:04:58 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: DemonDeac

Something doesn’t “+” up.


22 posted on 08/12/2009 6:06:30 AM PDT by taxtruth (STAND UP OR BE STOOD ON!)
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To: DemonDeac

I wonder if the witnesses were passengers in the motorhome, i.e. the driver’s relatives. They’d have plenty of time to make up a plausible story.

I have so many bad experiences with those old coots in their rolling barges that I suspect any story dealing with them. If I were king I would ban the dammed things. At the very least the driver’s should be required to have commerical licenses. If we demanded true competence form the drivers we’d lose about 3/4ths of those road hazards.


23 posted on 08/12/2009 6:08:06 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Talisker
It sounds like the media is building a case for health care rationing to get the evil, RV-driving geezers off the road.

Maybe a stretch, but that is what we have come to in this age! We cannot trust the media to even report a traffic accident without bias.

24 posted on 08/12/2009 6:10:45 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Seruzawa
old coots in their rolling barges

Guys who drove a Volkswagen all his life so he could retire and become a bus driver.

25 posted on 08/12/2009 6:17:08 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: DemonDeac

Sounds like suicide to me.


26 posted on 08/12/2009 6:18:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DemonDeac
When I first saw the headline, I thought the name of the RV driver would be Lloyd Bonafide, and Harvey Wireman's Senior Chat would revisit the topic of "How Long Have You Driven With a Person Under Your Car?"

I was wrong.

(You have to be a listener of the old Phil Hendrie Show to understand the references).

27 posted on 08/12/2009 6:19:16 AM PDT by kerosene
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To: Seruzawa

I can’t think of a single time I have had a problem with an RV. They usually drive slower than the rest of the traffic in the right lanes. They do have a problem if they are switching lanes. I usually look out for that.

A couple of days ago, a couple of bikers ran a stop sign in front of me. The guy was trailing a pickup truck as he made the left hand turn. I was making a right and almost hit him and his female partner who was trailing a little behind him.

He pulled a wheelie in front of me after the incident.

I hope the RV driver is going to be ok. I hope he realizes he’s not responsible for other’s stupidity.


28 posted on 08/12/2009 6:19:21 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Talisker
In the immortal words of Rosanne Rosannadanna: "Never Mind."

That was Emily Latella.

29 posted on 08/12/2009 6:21:45 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Shooter 2.5

Yeah, well I live and drive in a place where probably 1/2 of the motorhomes in the USA come each year, so admittedly my results are probably a bit skewed. The mountains are literally littered with these bloated tanks.

And I’ve also run into more than my share of idiots who shouldn’t be on motorcycles either.

I’ll bet that the truth of this incident is somewhere between.


30 posted on 08/12/2009 6:24:10 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Recon Dad

Yes, very true.


31 posted on 08/12/2009 6:27:46 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: DemonDeac

I have had many instances where I saw motorcyclists acting like idiots which left me thinking that guy is going to get himself or someone else killed. Never seen or thought that once about a RV driver yet. Big rig yes but not RV yet.


32 posted on 08/12/2009 6:29:47 AM PDT by badpacifist ("Blessings come from God and He don't bless what he is against" ...Mrs Ray Charles)
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To: HerrBlucher
That was Emily Latella.

LOL - I give.

(although I'd love to hear someone say, "Chris, you ignorant slut" to Matthews).

33 posted on 08/12/2009 6:31:52 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: xsrdx

“That had to be a dramatic shift in perspective for the motorcylist. “I’ll show that sumbitch” ...very rapidly evolves to..”Oh Sh*t.”

Kinda like some poor sap who voted for Obama so we could get past all this racial stuff.


34 posted on 08/12/2009 6:32:59 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: DemonDeac
I had a very similar experience in North Georgia. I was pulling my 5th wheel trailer on a four lane highway and came up on a slow moving pickup. I signaled, checked the mirrors, and pulled into the left lane to pass. I was about halfway into the left lane when I saw a motorcycle coming at twice the posted speed limit. He had come up directly behind me in the same lane and had pulled out into the left lane the same time I did. He tried to continue passing on the shoulder, but decided against it at the last minute.

When I cleared the pickup I tried to move back into the right lane to let the bike go around, but the biker had swerved into the right lane and raced up next to the cab of the truck. He was screaming at me and giving me the finger and yelling for me to pull over. I returned the finger gesture and continued driving. He then tried to kick the front of my truck. When that was unsuccessful he swerved in front of me and hit his brakes. Apparently his single working brain cell kicked in at the point and he changed his mind. I could not have stopped or swerved in time to miss him if he hadn't swerved out of the way at the last moment.

People don't seem to realize that I can't see anything directly behind me when towing. It also takes about twice as long to stop when towing the trailer.

35 posted on 08/12/2009 6:37:24 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: DemonDeac
...the biker made obscene hand gestures and pulled in front of the motor home before braking suddenly Monday afternoon."

Well, I guess he taught that RV'er a lesson......the lesson being that bikers spread thin on pavement.

38 posted on 08/12/2009 6:45:36 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (CITIZENS OF LIBERTY! RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE EVIL BEAST, OBAMUNISM!)
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To: DemonDeac

Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield.


39 posted on 08/12/2009 6:45:59 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: DemonDeac

I guess he forgot how these things work.

40 posted on 08/12/2009 6:47:58 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DemonDeac

My experience with motorcycle drivers and a hard look at safety data can be summarized as follows:

1. Most motorcycle drivers never come close to having an accident.
2. There are a number of motorcycle drivers who are drawn to motorcycles for their perceived higher risk. The purchase of a motorcycle is, for these characters, a death warrant.
3. Most motorcycle drivers who die in accidents have had at least one major automobile accident in the last five years.
4. Most deaths on motorcycles involved people who do not have the motorcycle endorsement on their drivers license.

I think the guy in the motorhome is without fault and he had the unfortunate experience of running into a number two.

Darwin award for the motorcyclist seems to me to be appropriate. At least an honorable mention, perhaps.


41 posted on 08/12/2009 6:50:08 AM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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To: Talisker
it was the bicyclist who went insane,

Motorcycle not bicycle. However, your general premise is correct. The motorcycle rider was at fault. I sounds to me as if he was trying to cause the RV to lose control and crash. This actually worked but with some unforeseen consequences to the motorcyclist.

42 posted on 08/12/2009 6:55:46 AM PDT by calex59
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To: wastoute

I gotta say I get SO PO’d when cages do stupid things that put my life in danger but you gotta remember who you are and where you are. I do admit that when folks do stupid things around me I figure they are mostly driving the same routes so I look for ‘em later in my F-350. I call it the “Iceberg”. Folks respect that.

OOOOO, I’ve seen something like this happen on the way to work on day. This kid in a Mazda 3 was weaving in and out of traffic, not looking, detriot lean, oblivious to everyone else. In my rear view mirror I saw him cut a guy off in an older red pickup truck. Next thing I know I see the kid (now ahead of me) get run into the jersey barriers by the red truck - the truck kept going. I was so happy that day to see the little f@#$%^ got what he deserved.


43 posted on 08/12/2009 7:00:07 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: knarf
That's the physical part of my thinking ... the psych part says ... ain't no way a biker, no matter HOW pi$$ed off he may be, would pull an adolescent trick like that. I think the RV driver is the one that raged against the biker.

Read the article, the witnesses say that the biker did exactly that, pulled in front of the RV and braked suddenly. This was after flipping the RV driver off for some unknown(at least to us)reason. It sounds to me as if the biker wanted to cause the RV driver to lose control and didn't figure on being the bug on the windshield. As I said to another poster, unforeseen consequences. Apparently you are a motorcycle rider and for some reason don't want to believe what eye witnesses said. That is your prerogative.

44 posted on 08/12/2009 7:01:11 AM PDT by calex59
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To: DemonDeac

Not much relaxing at Camarillo in this incident.


45 posted on 08/12/2009 7:07:44 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Talisker

Apparently you didn’t read the entire article:

CHP Officer Terry Uhrich says the 68-year-old motor home driver was traveling about 55 mph in the southbound lanes in Camarillo and couldn’t avoid slamming into the bike.

I didn’t get the impression at all that the article author was blaming the Motor Home Driver, I got the impression that the Biker was mad about the slow speed of the Motor Home, and tried to piss the poor MH drive off (who did not), but couldn’t react to the Biker’s Childish games..which eventually killed him.


46 posted on 08/12/2009 7:28:22 AM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: Talisker

You have a very active imagination.


47 posted on 08/12/2009 7:33:51 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Talisker
But the MSM wants to protect the liberal insanity and aggressiveness from being exposed.

Uhmm...what?

You divined from a 124 word article that not only was the biker a liberal, but that the RV driver was conservative and the media was trying to make him loo bad to protect the biker.

Did I get that straight? I hope not.

48 posted on 08/12/2009 7:36:54 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: Talisker
But the MSM wants to protect the liberal insanity and aggressiveness from being exposed.

Uhmm...what?

You divined from a 124 word article that not only was the biker a liberal, but that the RV driver was conservative and the media was trying to make him loo bad to protect the biker.

Did I get that straight? I hope not.

49 posted on 08/12/2009 7:37:13 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: xsrdx
Always get a kick out of movies where motorcycles menace cars; all the car has to do is stop or turn and the biker is deep in the hurt box.

A relatively small percentage of the population is willing to kill. That's what these idiots depend upon. Occasionally, they guess wrongly.

50 posted on 08/12/2009 7:39:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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