Posted on 08/12/2009 10:18:17 AM PDT by broken_arrow1
Half of the population in Texas is infected with Liberalism. Secession seems pointless unless we can kick them out.
If I am not correct I think Arizona, Alabama, and Tennessee also have the issue of sovereignty being discussed before their individual states legislators also.
Keep in mind the petition says to secede from fed legislation that is unconstitutional.
The rest stays the same
How about actions that deny the feds power without calling it secession?
It would be “de facto” secession to declare that the feds “got no juice here”.
Refusal to enforce, or allow to be enforced, any federal law/regulation outside of Art I, Section 8.
Withholding of federal taxes in escrow pending compliance with this sovereignty.
Arrest of any federal agent that attempts to enforce an unconstitutional law/reg. (This would be IT.)
Another fact that people need to understand is that the left will NEVER allow a group of people to escape their control, and will DEMAND that the feds “make an example” of that state/govt that attempts to do so.
From the Article: “Violence is not condoned by anyone involved.”
I disagree, the 2nd Amendment says “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
This means that the existence of the free state is defend-able with force
(ie violence). Furthermore, the military oath is not one of loyalty to the government, not the president, not the congress, not the USSC, but it is to the Constitution. This suggests that violence is indeed an answer to a corrupt state, which is itself oppressive to the people and does not recognize the restraints set upon it by the Constitution:
— Why was the AIG bonus passed? It is Ex Post Facto AND a Bill of Attainder?
— Why was the Executive allowed to void the legally binding contracts of the GM bondholders?
— Why are the bondholders denied the rights to a) seek redress, b) jury trial for criminal act perpetuated against them, c) civil suit against the government?
— Why hasn’t John Murtha been tried for treason?
— How can a legislature even pretend to have legitimacy when they have PASSED LAWS THEY HAVE NOT READ!?
Libs will “self-deport” when
1) for the sheep, no entitlements are coming their way.
2) for the elitists, they have no hope of imposing their will on others.
Please secede Texas, I love the Texan people and I need to move to a place where I can be free of the G— D-— liberals who are destroying America!
I’d be all for it, except if Texas secedes then the US will truly go down the toilet for sure. At least with Texas this nation still has a fighting chance.
No, it's not half. It's not even nearly half. It's far less. And, we need to get it organized and get it done. I am wholeheartedly in agreement with that action.
According to http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Federal_Funds/Watch_2008/Federal_Funds_051608.pdf 30% of the Texas budget comes from the fed.
That’s a lot of scratch that will no longer be forthcoming.
How do the secessionists plan on keeping the state operational with such a reduction in available funds?
What percent of Texas’ budget is federally mandated entitlement programs.
Once we have that number, your 30% may have some context. It is meaningless without that other bit of info.
Point taken, but regardless, in order to cover the shortfall, only two possibilities from where I sit ... reduce services or raise taxes (actually, the 3rd possibility is to do both).
Solving a problem by moving the undesirables to Oklahoma really is not much of an actual solution.
I cannot even begin to imagine the costs to the citizens of the state of Texas to move from being part of the US to being an independent country would be. Civil defense, border patrols, etc.
I think the current crop of secessionist talkers are just that, talkers of a big game, but not really players. JMO.
Sure we can.
The state of Texas could inform the federal government that they have overstepped their authority under the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, and that because of that abrogation of states rights, that the state of Texas will immediately cease all payments to the US Treasury.
As part of this 10th Amendment declaration of intent to the federal government, the state of Texas could also declare that the state refuses to recognize any federal law, regulation, statute, agency, treaty, mandate, tax, or governmental body which falls outside of what is legally allowable under the US Constitution.
The federal government has broken faith with the states, and with The People. Of that, there is no doubt. Compelling our government to return to the letter of the US Constitution will require more than simply passing toothless 10th Amendment resolutions in the various state legislatures. It's the proper method of response under our constitution, but these resolutions have to be backed by more than mere words.
For just one state to stand up to the federal government in this way is going to take guts of steel, and a firmness of resolve that we've rarely seen in the last century, but it can be done. The courage to do this does exist among us.
Personally, I don't believe that the same level of courage exists in Washington. Our nation's capitol is now inhabited by, and run by lesser beings, who are cowardly and low. Look at the panic that's being caused by ordinary citizens showing up at Town Hall meetings.
No, those running the federal government won't have the guts to stand up against such strident demands from one or more states. They will cave, without us having to resort to formal secession from our own union.
If Texas would stop taking all federal grants, transfer payments, welfare/Medicaid/social security monies, and determine to collect all fed income taxes directly from citizens (in a hugely reduced amount since we would not be partaking of the federal pie anymore), and send the pro-rated amount via the state to DC, I think we’d enjoy a period of freedom and prosperity that most of us haven’t seen in a long, long time. We as people and as states have sold ourselves into slavery, now we need to stop taking the bait so we can get free.
Ultimate goal would be that Texas doesn’t participate in Fed income tax at all, that we just calculate some flat or fair sales tax amount (or tariffs or other fund-raising means) for the services we do decide to participate in (national defense, interstate roads, etc.) We only pay for those services that are outlined in the constitution. If Washington illegally decides to go beyond its constitutional limits of authority, we just blow them off! We say, sorry, that’s illegal, you can try to impose this federal law, agency, legislation, etc, but it’s illegal and we aren’t going to play your game.
We basically ignore all the rest of the stupid federal environmental regulations, education funding and regulations,etc. Ultimate goal, NO welfare, NO social security, no centralized statism, return power to local levels.
That sounds pretty radical, but if we could do it I think the problem of liberals in the state would correct itself.
Also, if federal grants to public ISDs and universities were eliminated it might solve the problem of all the liberal Marxist professors and teachers. They would all leave if they couldn’t get their piece of the pie for teaching all their Marxist and politically correct revisionist history drivel. Go back to completely free market college education and some form of free market/free choice plan for K-12 education. Let the state and only the state of Texas decide if they want to use any taxpayer funds for state colleges and universities.
The federal government only exists as a service to the states, and if states would start remembering that and enacting their own legislation accordingly, I think maybe some of these problems could be solved.
Totally agree with that, and the balance of your very well composed post.
Asserting our state sovereignty is indeed the first step, and it should be done exactly as you outlined.
Only send to Washington those federal tax monies which are required to support those governmental entities and services which our state needs, and which are within the constitutional limits of the federal government.
Put the federal government on notice that the state of Texas will no longer recognize any unconstitutional federal mandates, taxes, programs, agencies, statutes, treaties, etc.
Let them know that we will protect our own borders and enforce our own laws as we see fit.
In my view, that is all that it would take to begin the process of restoring our constitutional republic to its founding ideals.
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