Ezekiel Emanuel Article: Deny Medical Care to Alzheimer's Patients

IsraPundit ^ | 8/12/09 | Bill Levinson

[Winged Hussar]

We previously compared Obamacare to the German Aktion T4, in which "life unworthy of living" was to be eliminated through denial of medical care or even palliatives such as Zyklon B. In fairness to the health care bill HR 3200, of which we downloaded a complete copy, the section on end of life counseling does not mandate or even encourage euthanasia. ...However, Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm Emanuel's brother, with close ties to Barack Obama) is on written record as advocating denial of "discretionary" medical care to patients with dementia such as Alzheimer's Disease: a position entirely consistent with Germany's Aktion T4 health care plan. The Hastings Center Report in question also talks about "communitarianism," and the Communitarians are on record as advocating practices that all responsible hunters and firearm owners would define as slob hunting and vicious cruelty to animals.

This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason.

[Winged Hussar]

[Stepan12]

Unseless bread gobblers /s

[RummyChick]

interview with the guy who made the headlines from yesterday’s Specter town hall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGb_eElg24Q

[b4its2late]

Ezekiel Emanuel’s medical license should be revoked.

[Always Right]

I think the Obama camp thinks of them as “Useless Emitters of Greenhouse Gases.

[silverleaf]

What, you don’t want Dr. Zeke as your oncologist?
He probably had a very low patient readmission rate...

[RC2]

My father died of this problem. Withhold care? Are they totally heartless? Have they ever had their father look at them and not know who they were? Have they ever been in a position where they could no longer have a conversation with their father? I wish with all my heart that the medical industry had found a way to cure my father but it was not there. We can’t give up on our parents and grandparents. Those that gave their lives for us deserve all our support, not the government killing machine.

[ravingnutter]

I wouldn’t want him as my proctologist, one a—hole in the exam room is enough.

[kcvl]

Ezekiel Emanuel’s medical license should be revoked.

Long, long ago!

Instead, he is Director of the Clinical Bioethics Department at the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

[boomop1]

He is a hoodlum scum as his brother.

[kcvl]

Ezekiel Emanuel wrote an article for The Hastings Center Report in 1996, in which he suggested that public deliberative forums should decide which health services should be socially guaranteed, and that those services "that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations" might be considered by this deliberative body as "basic", while "services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed". He goes on to give examples illustrating these two concepts: "not guaranteeing health services to patients with demenia", while "guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason".

[MozarkDawg]

May I have a clarification for future use? He is speaking to any medical care/services to these *useless eaters* is he not? He is not advocating they be denied ONLY if they are under government insurance, right?

I just want to be certain, so that should I use a quote later on, some other message board, some nitwit won't come along and say "They can always pay for it themselves" or such.

[DustyMoment]

We previously compared Obamacare to the German Aktion T4, in which "life unworthy of living" was to be eliminated through denial of medical care or even palliatives such as Zyklon B. In fairness to the health care bill HR 3200, of which we downloaded a complete copy, the section on end of life counseling does not mandate or even encourage euthanasia. ...However, Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm Emanuel's brother, with close ties to Barack Obama) is on written record as advocating denial of "discretionary" medical care to patients with dementia such as Alzheimer's Disease: a position entirely consistent with Germany's Aktion T4 health care plan.

I sincerely pray to God that neither Obama, either of the Emanuels, or any supporter of this horrible "plan" ever suffers from a debilitating disease or has a loved one who suffers such a fate.

And,I hope that God will forgive them for their horrible, perverted and disgraceful characterizations of human beings!

[kati2fl]

My mother died this June 23.she had internal bleeding set in..( I still say it was the medicine for Alzheimer’s.Mixed with her heart medication..and Dr said she was 82 and too weak to operate on..that her “poor” heart was tired out......(I lost it)...........I know the heartbreak...we were with her for a week before she passed and she didn’t know us at all....the look in her eyes was so pleading.as please help me..whats going on....... Ezekiel Emanuel (this so called Dr) is one cold hearted Bast**d........How dare he.......

[b4its2late]

I wonder who the older one is of the two, Zeke or Rhammmy

[socialismisinsidious]

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[kcvl]

“services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed”.

[Pajamajan]

bookmark

[mrsmel]

It fits right in with having a tax cheat over Treasury.

[Cheburashka]

How about research into the causes of Alzheimer's, and possible treatments that delay the onset of the mental deterioration? Are those verbotten (a little NaziGerman lingo there) as well? If a hypothetical future discovery allows, say, a two year delay in the dementia, do we implement that treatment, or just suppress the research results so Alzheimer's sufferers and their family are not aware that the treatment exists? And counsel the family that poor Uncle Robert would be better off with an "expedited end-of-life" treatment?

[B-Cause]

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[Heart of Georgia]

Will zeke emanuel be the czar over obamacare? If so, he will be the head of the death panel and will certainly implement all of his evil beliefs.

[the invisib1e hand]

I've been jumping around on this topic this am, doing a little reseach. Somewhere, I cannot remember where (and I retraced me steps as best I could) somebody posted this (paraphrase):

They don't even feel the elderly are worthy of the right to choose suicide; they want to make that decision for them

That was a thought-provoking point to me, and later in my hopping around I came across this:

One such theorist, Adolf Jost, issued an early call for direct medical killing in a book published in 1895 and significantly entitled “The Right to Death” (Das Recht auf den Tod). Jost argued that control over the death of the individual must ultimately belong to the social organism, the state. This concept is in direct opposition to the Anglo-American tradition of euthanasia, which emphasizes the individual’s “right to die” or “right to death” or “right to his or her own death,” as the ultimate human claim. In contrast, Jost was pointing to the state’s right to kill. While he spoke of compassion and relief of suffering of the incurably ill, his focus was mainly on the health of the Volk and the state. He pointed out that the state already exercises those “rights” in war, where thousands of individuals are sacrificed for the good of the state. Ultimately the argument was biological: “The rights to death [are] the key to the fitness of life.” The state must own death — must kill — in order to keep the social organism alive and healthy.²*

from here:http://www.mazal.org/Lifton/LiftonT046.htm

So, whatever you do, don't call the Obama administration Nazi, even though it's plagiurizing the Nazi Manual.

[sweetiepiezer]

See you have been doing some research, I am in a discussion with a liberal and cannot find who said that a child is not a person until 2 years of age, was it Dr. Emanuel or was it the Science Czar Holdren?
Thanks.

[nanetteclaret]

It’s Peter Singer. He believes that a baby can be “aborted” up to the age of about two years old simply because it cannot reason until then. Lots of info on him out there.

[facedown]

Obama’s Science Czar Said a Born Baby ‘Will Ultimately Develop Into a Human Being’

[sweetiepiezer]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[sweetiepiezer]

Thank you, check out post #26 also.
This is what I found on Singer. Is he one of the czars, if not, what position does he hold in this administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer

n his book Rethinking Life and Death Singer asserts that, if we take the premises at face value, the argument is deductively valid. Singer comments that those who do not generally think abortion is wrong attack the second premise, suggesting that the fetus becomes a “human” or “alive” at some point after conception; however, Singer argues that human development is a gradual process, that it is nearly impossible to mark a particular moment in time as the moment at which human life begins.
Singer lecturing on medical ethics.

Singer’s argument for abortion differs from many other proponents of abortion; rather than attacking the second premise of the anti-abortion argument, Singer attacks the first premise, denying that it is wrong to take innocent human life:

[The argument that a fetus is not alive] is a resort to a convenient fiction that turns an evidently living being into one that legally is not alive. Instead of accepting such fictions, we should recognise that the fact that a being is human, and alive, does not in itself tell us whether it is wrong to take that being’s life.[27]

[the invisib1e hand]

See you have been doing some research, I am in a discussion with a liberal and cannot find who said that a child is not a person until 2 years of age, was it Dr. Emanuel or was it the Science Czar Holdren? Thanks.

Thanks, as I really haven't been doing that much research. Just glances at Emanuel's paper for the NIH in which the Complete Lives System is described.

There is such a thing as "scarce medical care": for example, ten people need a heart, 3 are available. This is a matter that cannot be ignored.

The danger is that the framework of "allocating scarce resources" will be transposed across the board, once government completely f)cks up the market allocation of all medical resources, which currently are not scarce, but surely will be once the elephant stomps into the marketplace.

That possibility, FRiends, is fearsome indeed.