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Oh my : New Gallup poll shows town hall protests winning over independents ?
Hot Air ^ | August 12, 2009 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 08/12/2009 4:06:53 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Either indies have suddenly developed a taste for Nazi mobs of political terrorists or the Democrats’ message war on ObamaCare opponents is a rather epic fail.

Given the left’s monopoly on wisdom and virtue, I must reluctantly conclude it’s the former. When did independents start hating America?

In a survey of 1,000 adults taken Tuesday, 34% say the sometimes heated protests at sessions held by members of Congress have made them more sympathetic to the protesters’ views; 21% say they are less sympathetic.

Independents by 2-1, 35%-16%, say they are more sympathetic to the protesters now.

The findings are bad news for President Obama and Democratic congressional leaders, who have scrambled to respond to town halls marked by aggressive questions and noisy demonstrations by those opposed to plans to overhaul the health care system…

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2009polls; bhohealthcare; independentvote; swingvote

1 posted on 08/12/2009 4:06:53 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

I imagine it is because, for the first time, they are being exposed to the language in this witches brew of a bill. Put, that’s what Town hall meetings are for, aren’t they? So the local politicians can get the truth out? (satire)


2 posted on 08/12/2009 4:09:59 PM PDT by bareford101 (What Obama is doing to America is REVERSE-TREASON)
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To: RobinMasters

I imagine it is because, for the first time, they are being exposed to the language in this pelosi witches brew of a bill. Put, that’s what Town hall meetings are for, aren’t they? So the local politicians can get the truth out? (satire)


3 posted on 08/12/2009 4:10:12 PM PDT by bareford101 (What Obama is doing to America is REVERSE-TREASON)
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To: RobinMasters

Good news! Even within the indie’s there must be patriots.


4 posted on 08/12/2009 4:11:00 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: RobinMasters

Obama and the Leftist media decry supposed, fear-mongering charges of “Death Panels” as baseless, but are silent regarding explicit and indistinquishible HHS / Congressional jargon requiring or incentivizing physicians to “initiate guided consultations” regarding “advance care planning” or “end of life planning” (HR 3200 sec. 1233) in order to meet bureaucratic goals (http://www.ahrq.gov/research/endliferia/endria.htm) for “reducing resource use”and “positively influencing terminal care costs” through such “consultations.

Physicians are to be subjected to de-facto quotas via “quality reporting initiative” measured against yet to be defined standards, to be endorsed or adopted by “consensus based organizations”. These “Advance Care Planning Consultations” to include “an explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. “

Sec. 141 - 142 of the House bill “Establishes the ‘Health Choices Administration’, an independent executive branch agency.” “The ‘Health Choices Commissioner’ will carry out out functions including: establishment of qualified plan standards, establishment and operation of the Health Insurance Exchange, administration of affordability credits, and additional functions as laid out within the bill. The Commissioner can collect data necessary to carry out his or her duties and to promote quality and value and address disparities in health care.”

Corollary provisions empower other government bureuacrats to adopt and implement a “national wellness strategy” to “improve the Nation’s health” through “community prevention and wellness activities (sec. 3121) coordinated by the “Task Force on Clinical Preventive Services” (sec. 3131) charged with among other things, “‘taking into account health disparities in developing, updating, publishing, and disseminating evidence-based recommendations on the use of such services”.

Additionally, a czar-like, “Director of the Center for Quality Improvement” is to be charged with “ prioritizing areas for the identification, development, evaluation, and implementation of best practices for quality improvement activities in the delivery of health care services” in accordance with the evolving political consensus, likely complied by ACORN, and reflected by long established and all too familiar “we are the government and we know what’s good for you so shut up and take it” standard.


5 posted on 08/12/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by Gail Wynand
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To: RobinMasters

I believe things are bubbling over finally. After years and years of government growth and reckless spending, America is finally getting sick of it! The health care plan protests are a symptom of the disease that is government overreaching its bounds.


6 posted on 08/12/2009 4:12:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: RobinMasters

I keep waiting for those testimonials of shiny happy smiling Brits and Canadians telling us how they just love government health care.


7 posted on 08/12/2009 4:12:58 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: RobinMasters
"Oh my : New Gallup poll shows town hall protests winning over independents?"

The honeymoon for Obama is not only over, he has been served with divorce papers.

8 posted on 08/12/2009 4:13:16 PM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: RobinMasters

I remember a speech by Ike in 1956 when he appealed to voters, he addressed his audience by saying “I understand there are more Independents here than Democrats.” Nothing has changed, there are many Independents out there and they are the ones who really decide the elections.


9 posted on 08/12/2009 4:13:46 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (tagline closed for renovation)
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To: devane617

We’re around. But we’re “Right Wing Indies”.


10 posted on 08/12/2009 4:14:30 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (If I had any further to go,I'd be there.)
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To: Enterprise

Now lets be careful and not be too giddy, lol.


11 posted on 08/12/2009 4:14:39 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: devane617
Half the protesters ARE independents, with many dems thrown in too. THAT is why the libs criticism is failing them.
12 posted on 08/12/2009 4:15:28 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: RobinMasters

13 posted on 08/12/2009 4:18:05 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: RobinMasters

I’m highly confident that Obama’s socialist health care plan will not pass. There’s just too much opposition to it and the Democratic congressmen who aren’t to the left of Bill Ayers are very nervous about voting for it. What I think may happen is that a compromise bill will pass. It will not have a public option and it will be far short of what Obama and the other radical libs in Congress want. But Obama will sign it in order to say that he got something passed, and to save face.


14 posted on 08/12/2009 4:18:24 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: RobinMasters

Me thinks the socialists are rapidly expending their political capital.


15 posted on 08/12/2009 4:18:35 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: RobinMasters
Look, folks, ANY THINKING HUMAN BEING would detest the government running the health care system.

Such a notion is absolutely idiotic.

Billy Tauzin, or whatever that lobbyist jerk's name is, ought to be fired for going along with Hussein's plan. He is ignorant, too, because Hussein will be a friendly crocodile...and eat Big Pharma last.

The AARP "leadership", too, is ripe for replacement. What kind of ASSES decide to betray the people they supposedly serve? I think they look upon it as a way to get their nose into the public trough, and nothing else.

Ridiculous.

I hope independents are being won over. Hell, I hope DEMOCRATS are being won over....not all Democrats are comfortable with this CRAP.

16 posted on 08/12/2009 4:18:56 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: RobinMasters

I posted this account on another thread that died, but I thought it was interesting and relevant enough to repost.

I’m in NYC right now, and I was sitting in a coffee shop in a very liberal area and chatting with the 60ish lady at the next table, who looked very liberal herself and sure sounded that way in our conversation.

I went back to reading my paper after a bit, and then she read the headlines (NYers read other people’s papers - I can even read papers upside down!) and leaned over and said in a confidential voice, “You know? Something that really scares me is that health care plan. Especially at my age...”


17 posted on 08/12/2009 4:20:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: devane617

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

Here’s a real Patriot???


18 posted on 08/12/2009 4:21:36 PM PDT by danamco
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To: devane617
Good news! Even within the indie’s there must be patriots.

You don't seem to know much about independents, a large number of independents are just too conservative to register as republicans, how often do you read here of conservatives that are switching to independent out of disgust because the GOP is too mushy for them. Why does JR make it clear that this is a conservative site, not a republican site.

I would guess that independents also make up at the least a sizable portion of the protesters.

19 posted on 08/12/2009 4:22:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: GoCards

20 posted on 08/12/2009 4:24:10 PM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: bareford101
I do believe the points made elsewhere are valid that this name calling has not gained any traction and is clearly hurting Bam’s cause. Watch the videos and one can see who exactly these protesters are, just ordinary Americans.

Bam has made a huge gaff/miscalculation here, demonizing those that disagree, lying about what is in the plan and most important thinking that these folks will vote for the Demos in 2010 and beyond after being called some pretty nasty stuff.

We just might win this one!

schu

21 posted on 08/12/2009 4:25:49 PM PDT by schu
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To: vpintheak
This has turned out to be a strategic mis-calculation by the dems.

Now the INDs sitting at home are seeing people JUST LIKE THEM at town halls trying to make the politicians listen and be sensible and then here comes the state run media and the dems beating up and verbally bashing the obviously not radical or nazi citizens that are JUST LIKE THEM.

None of the dems have enough sense to come out of the rain and they think they are invincible because THEY WON.

I'm bettin lots of dem representatives have seen the light at the end of this tunnel and recognize that sound as a train coming. Nobamacare is sinking like a lead balloon.

Damn its nice to see AMERICA and LIBERTY prevailing again!

22 posted on 08/12/2009 4:27:25 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo Tea Party - PALIN 2012)
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To: Bobkk47
Re#14 Me too. He's going to get something just for PR sake and will get an idiot bump in the polls.

That said, the good thing is that he has spent a lot of capital, has lost his luster and charisma and, most importantly, has lost the trust of a lot of voters who can only conclude he is lying. Getting that trust back is nearly impossible for a politician. Clinton would be an exception (only because his lie was "about sex).

23 posted on 08/12/2009 4:27:55 PM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: SeeSharp
I keep waiting for those testimonials of shiny happy smiling Brits and Canadians telling us how they just love government health care.

Ask and you shall receive.

Check out the following two keyword streams on Twitter (both keywords have been popular trending topics all day):


24 posted on 08/12/2009 4:29:50 PM PDT by Vision Thing (He has a white house, and he wants to paint it black.)
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To: Enterprise

LMAO!


25 posted on 08/12/2009 4:30:04 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: RobinMasters

26 posted on 08/12/2009 4:37:37 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: dusttoyou

I won’t say prevailing yet. The rats have the majority, and I wouldn’t put it past them to pass this pieace of crap anyway. They have utter disdain for regular Americans, and will only stop if they know it would kill their political careers. But yes, it is nice to see American standing up!


27 posted on 08/12/2009 4:39:30 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: RobinMasters
The findings are bad news for President Obama and Democratic congressional leaders, who have scrambled to respond to town halls marked by aggressive questions and noisy demonstrations by those opposed to plans to overhaul the health care system…

It's actually worse news than the Dems think, and I'll tell you why.

Some of the most deeply seated and rock-rooted opinions and choices in politics are based in fear. (The Dems know this, as they are always playing to fears.)

But now Americans are faced with not one, but two fears, and they are very real, and immanent threats to our safety and well being.

Fear One: Confiscation of health care quality and choice (and confiscation of wealth to pay for others' healthcare.)

We place high value on the health our health and that of our families, and our relationships with our physicians. We are motivated to fight this confiscation of healthcare. Older folks are motivated to fight the raid of Medicare, on which they depend; and they fear being herded into the cemetery by bureaucrats who see them as bothersome liabilities to be counseled and (you-know-whated).

Fear Two: Political disenfranchisement: We (who oppose socialized medicine) now have oppressive limits on free speech and assembly.

Ordinary folks, just like you and me, are accused of collaboration with companies that they barely know exist; and, they are called hateful names and they and their families are harassed.

Couple these two fears together, and you have a heightened state of political ill will directed toward the Dems that cannot be erased or molified by Marxist Obama's speechwriters, or be silenced by arrogant, condescending "representatives".

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28 posted on 08/12/2009 4:39:53 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: RobinMasters

Dear Leader is not going to be happy about this at all.

NEENER..NEENER..NEENER!

NOT ALL OF US WERE HOPEMOTIZED! AND NOW OTHERS THAT WERE UNDER THE SPELL ARE WAKING UP!!

OBAMA IS A MARXIST!!


29 posted on 08/12/2009 4:43:43 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: vpintheak

You are right. But we have to keep pushing back until we have taken back our country and created definitive laws to keep this from ever happening again: http://pushbackuntil.com.


30 posted on 08/12/2009 4:43:44 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: RobinMasters
Top 10 List of names people against Nationalized Health Care have been called by top ranking Democrats....

1. Swastika-carrying
2. Astroturf
3. Brown-shirts
4. Nazi
5. Angry mobs
6. Terrorists
7. UnAmerican/Unpatriotic
8. Racists
9. Fishy
10. Birthers

31 posted on 08/12/2009 4:43:50 PM PDT by Always Right (The Brown Shirt Media © is coming!)
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To: RobinMasters

Hey here’s some good news I got today. I hope it makes someone’s day just a tiny bit brighter...this is not totally off topic because the person in my story was an Independent who fell for the ObamaMania. In this case it was an Indy who had White Guilt and voted for O for that reason.

Since last fall, right before the election, I have been trying to get my friend’s husband to vote for conservatives in future elections.

I only met the man once before the 2008 election, so he voted for Zero. He says he’s voted repub and dem in the past, but voted for Zero because of his race (ugh).

His wife and I are strongly Christian Conservatives, thus our friendship.

I’ve know this man, who is very witty and funny, since last September, although I’ve known his wife for 4 years. He and I and his wife have discussed politics everytime we see eachother or speak on the phone(we live an hour apart). I also never fail to bring homemade cookies to the man everytime I visit and we then talk of many things and politics always comes up.

The political talk started last Sept. because I had my Sarah Palin shirt on when I met this man last fall.

After less than a year of bribery with cookies, and his wife and me telling him why socialism is bad etc, he has announced to me this morning via telephone that he will now vote for conservatives and even for Sarah. And he says he’s turning over a new leaf and going to church with his wife too.

Of course he’s aware of all that is going on in politics and does not like what Der Fuhrer is up to. So I don’t take much credit in bringing him to the light of conservatism. The cookies helped. And the friendly banter between him vs. me and his wife did the most good.

I have committed to baking a variety of cookies for him at least until Nov.2012. We have won over one middle of the road voter. He’s on our side now.

A very small victory for the country, but rather a nice development for me, and it didn’t take long or much effort to have him see the light.

A big JimRob “WOO HOO!”. I hope you enjoyed my story. Easy on the flames please, my flame retardant undies are not on at this time.....


32 posted on 08/12/2009 4:48:27 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("I am Sarah Palin.")
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To: devane617
Good news! Even within the indie’s there must be patriots.

This is something Reagan knew in his bones. That is because he grew up among the American people. He didn't despise them. He loved and trusted them.

Obama has no clue who we are.

33 posted on 08/12/2009 4:51:20 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Enterprise

And?


34 posted on 08/12/2009 4:57:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TheConservativeParty

May I have your recipe? My ex is a staunch liberal.


35 posted on 08/12/2009 4:57:37 PM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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To: RobinMasters

Bwa-hahahahah. Take that, Bamster!


36 posted on 08/12/2009 4:57:55 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Lotta speechless folks on this thread. C’mon, give it another try.


37 posted on 08/12/2009 4:58:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Sorry ‘bout that. The graphic didn’t come up the first time through the thread.


38 posted on 08/12/2009 5:00:10 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RobinMasters

I am going to give my word of warning here. In the last few days too many have been urging folks to tone it down.

Do NOT listen to them. Let your passion guide you. The honest passion, even your outight outrage and anger, is the honesty coming out and that is what all of us are feeling.

Be WHO you are, do not be violent, but do not tone it down.

Do not listen to the left and do not fear their words and scorn. They will do this no matter what you do. They fear your outrage and your honest passion more than anything.

The talking heads? Ignore them. Their wishy washy stance is a losing proposition. RINOitis is a lethal disease.


39 posted on 08/12/2009 5:04:55 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: RobinMasters

A large part of it is our passion. I’ve only been to two, Pelosie and Perlmutter.

I never got inside, but it didn’t matter. The battle is won as much on the outside with our shouting and screaming as it is on the inside.


40 posted on 08/12/2009 5:07:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: RobinMasters

I don’t think there would be all of this yelling if our REPRESENTATIVES in Congress acted like representatives and listened. Instead, they go to these Town Hall meetings with an agenda, then lecture and expect everyone to go along without question.


41 posted on 08/12/2009 5:09:15 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: RobinMasters
These meetings are not uncommon, they are just on a national level.

This spring, here in Roswell, NM,they tried to annex most of the county, let me tell you the anger was as real as any you see on T.V............and we won.

They left us alone.

42 posted on 08/12/2009 5:13:12 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Excellence

LOL! Thanks for not flaming me!

I made the standard Toll House Choc Chip Cookies every time.

This morning I asked him what other kinds of cookies he likes. Peanut butter cookies and oatmeal with raisin are approved alternatives.

I do have a great recipe for PB cookies from an old Betty Crocker book. These turn out so good and look like they belong in a really good bakery:

PB Cookies
__________

1/2 cup granulated sugar
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup real butter, softened
1/2 cup peanut butter
1 egg
1 1/4 cups flour
3/4 tsp baking soda
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt

*note: I add vanilla although it is not in the recipe. A bit more flour has to be added when one tsp vanilla goes in the batter.

Mix sugars,butter,PB,egg.
Stir in remaining ingredients.
Heat oven to 375 degrees.
Lightly grease 2 cookie sheets.
Roll dough in hands to desired size and flatten with a fork in a criss-cross pattern, and sprinkle each flattened cookie with granulated sugar before baking.
Bake 8 to 10 minutes or until cookies are slightly browned on top.

Yield, about 18 large cookies.

Best oatmeal raisin recipe is on the inside of the lid of a large container of Quaker Oats. They’re called “Incredible Disappearing Oatmeal Cookies”.


43 posted on 08/12/2009 5:24:23 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("I am Sarah Palin.")
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To: Bobkk47

****I’m highly confident that Obama’s socialist health care plan will not pass. There’s just too much opposition to it and the Democratic congressmen who aren’t to the left of Bill Ayers are very nervous about voting for it. What I think may happen is that a compromise bill will pass. It will not have a public option and it will be far short of what Obama and the other radical libs in Congress want. But Obama will sign it in order to say that he got something passed, and to save face.****

I imagine that any bill passed will have mechanisms in place for later expansion and morphing into public option, and then ultimately single payer. This is how they always accomplish their ultimate goals when the political kitchen gets too hot.


44 posted on 08/12/2009 5:35:30 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Government tends to never fix the problems it creates in the first place)
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To: mikey_hates_everything
We're winning. Dems pity parties, thuggery, intimidations, and lies aren't working this time...
45 posted on 08/12/2009 5:50:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal paid protesters ...http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2310139/replies?c=22)
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To: TheConservativeParty

****Best oatmeal raisin recipe is on the inside of the lid of a large container of Quaker Oats. They’re called “Incredible Disappearing Oatmeal Cookies”****

My dear Mom made the best oatmeal cookies anywhere, but I haven’t been able to find the recipe yet. She used to use either raisins or currants and put them in a small pan with some water and just bring them to a boil then let them cool. This made for the moistest cookies ever and were always gone in minutes from the oven.

Congratulations on your cookie diplomacy results. It is very gratifying to share the truth and have it received.


46 posted on 08/12/2009 5:52:18 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Government tends to never fix the problems it creates in the first place)
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To: ResponseAbility

The way to a man’s heart really is through his stomache!

: )


47 posted on 08/12/2009 6:04:19 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("I am Sarah Palin.")
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To: TheConservativeParty
Thanks so much for the recipes. I've tried to make the oatmeal cookies on the box of Quakers and it was always a disaster. Maybe the PB cookies will come out better.
48 posted on 08/12/2009 6:12:29 PM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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To: Excellence

I sneak in extra PB in the recipe, maybe an extra quarter cup. Doesn’t seem to make the consistency too gooey so I don’t add more flour. Makes them moist and delicious. I don’t like to measure the PB since it’s so hard to get it out of the measuring cup. I just guess on the high side and glop it in the bowl with a spoon. PB is a mess to deal with but it’s really good in these cookies. With the extra vanilla and PB, and the sugar on the top, they look good enough to sell.

Maybe try the oatmeal ones and deviate from the recipe. I only use real butter in baking and cooking. I am sure Quaker calls for margarine, but I hate that stuff. I go for the real deal from the cow, Land O Lakes Butter. Makes a big difference in taste and how the cookie turns out. Margarine used to make rather flat cookies for me.

I figure butter is the natural choice. I even got my husband to stop saute-ing things in that vile margarine. I told him it’s oil and water and to please try butter. He finally listened this year and he’s stopped buying Country Crock. He had to admit butter is better. As the saying went “Butter made Betty’s bitter batter better”! Oldie but goodie.

While we’ve taken over and made cooking comments here, I’ll throw out another thing I learned last year. Canned mushrooms are almost always from China and Indonesia. Even Green Giant and Pennsylvania Dutch brands. It’s on the cans. We’ve been buying fresh USA mushrooms for almost a year now. The taste is 100 percent better too.


49 posted on 08/12/2009 8:35:09 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("I am Sarah Palin.")
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To: TheConservativeParty

Land o’ Lakes butter is so good. I like the sweet unsalted. I got hooked on it on my honeymoon in the Bahamas. I’ll give that a try. Thanks.


50 posted on 08/14/2009 3:32:22 PM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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