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Bruce Bartlett : The GOP's Misplaced Rage (the person they should be angry with already left)
The Daily Beast ^ | 8/13/2009 | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 08/13/2009 1:15:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Leading conservative economist Bruce Bartlett writes that the Obama-hating town-hall mobs have it wrong—the person they should be angry with left the White House seven months ago.

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Where is the evidence that everything would be better if Republicans were in charge? Does anyone believe the economy would be growing faster or that unemployment would be lower today if John McCain had won the election? I know of no economist who holds that view. The economy is like an ocean liner that turns only very slowly. The gross domestic product and the level of employment would be pretty much the same today under any conceivable set of policies enacted since Barack Obama’s inauguration.

In January, the Congressional Budget Office projected a deficit this year of $1.2 trillion before Obama took office, with no estimate for actions he might take. To a large extent, the CBO’s estimate simply represented the $482 billion deficit projected by the Bush administration in last summer’s budget review, plus the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, which George W. Bush rammed through Congress in September over strenuous conservative objections. Thus the vast bulk of this year’s currently estimated $1.8 trillion deficit was determined by Bush’s policies, not Obama’s.

I think conservative anger is misplaced. To a large extent, Obama is only cleaning up messes created by Bush. This is not to say Obama hasn’t made mistakes himself, but even they can be blamed on Bush insofar as Bush’s incompetence led to the election of a Democrat. If he had done half as good a job as most Republicans have talked themselves into believing he did, McCain would have won easily.

Conservative protesters should remember that the recession, which led to so many of the policies they oppose, is almost entirely the result of Bush’s policies. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the recession began in December 2007—long before Obama was even nominated. And the previous recession ended in November 2001, so the current recession cannot be blamed on cyclical forces that Bush inherited.

Indeed, Bush’s responsibility for the recession is implicit in every conservative analysis of its origins. The most thorough has been done by John Taylor, a respected economist from Stanford University who served during most of the Bush administration as the No. 3 official at the Treasury Department. In his book, Getting Off Track, he puts most of the blame on the Federal Reserve for holding interest rates down too low for too long.

While the Fed does bear much responsibility for sowing the seeds of recession, it’s commonly treated as an institution independent of politics and even the government itself. But the Federal Reserve Board consists of governors appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

Because the president appoints the board, he has primary influence over its policies. This is especially the case for chairmen of the Fed appointed by Republicans because they often have ties to Republican administrations. Chairman Ben Bernanke was originally appointed as a member of the Fed in 2002, serving until 2005, when he became chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers in the White House, a position that made him Bush’s chief economic adviser.

As early as 2002, a majority of the seven-member Federal Reserve Board was Bush appointees, and by 2006 every member was a Bush appointee. While many critical decisions about monetary policy are made by the Federal Open Market Committee, the board’s position always prevails.

The Treasury secretary also has had breakfast with the Fed chairman on a weekly basis for decades. Consequently, most economists generally believe that every administration ultimately gets the Fed policy it wants. Therefore, one must conclude that if there were errors in Fed policy that caused the current downturn, it must be because the Fed was doing what the Bush administration wanted it to do.

To the extent that there were mistakes in housing policy that contributed to the recession, those were necessarily committed by Bush political appointees at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and other agencies. To the extent that banks and other financial institutions made mistakes or engaged in fraudulent activity, it was either overlooked or sanctioned by Bush appointees at the Securities & Exchange Commission, the Comptroller of the Currency, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and elsewhere.

But in a larger sense, the extremely poor economic performance of the Bush years really set the stage for the current recession. This is apparent when we compare Bush’s two terms to Bill Clinton’s eight years. Since both took office close to a business cycle trough and left office close to a cyclical peak, this is a reasonable comparison.

Throughout the Bush years, many conservative economists, including CNBC’s Larry Kudlow, extravagantly extolled Bush’s economic policies. As late as December 21, 2007, after the recession already began, he wrote in National Review: “the Goldilocks economy is outperforming all expectations.” In a column on May 2, 2008, almost six months into the recession, Kudlow praised Bush for having prevented a recession.

But the truth was always that the economy performed very, very badly under Bush, and the best efforts of his cheerleaders cannot change that fact because the data don’t lie. Consider these comparisons between Bush and Clinton:

• Between the fourth quarter of 1992 and the fourth quarter of 2000, real GDP grew 34.7 percent. Between the fourth quarter of 2000 and the fourth quarter of 2008, it grew 15.9 percent, less than half as much.

• Between the fourth quarter of 1992 and the fourth quarter of 2000, real gross private domestic investment almost doubled. By the fourth quarter of 2008, real investment was 6.5 percent lower than it was when Bush was elected.

• Between December 1992 and December 2000, payroll employment increased by more than 23 million jobs, an increase of 21.1 percent. Between December 2000 and December 2008, it rose by a little more than 2.5 million, an increase of 1.9 percent. In short, about 10 percent as many jobs were created on Bush’s watch as were created on Clinton’s.

• During the Bush years, conservative economists often dismissed the dismal performance of the economy by pointing to a rising stock market. But the stock market was lackluster during the Bush years, especially compared to the previous eight. Between December 1992 and December 2000, the S&P 500 Index more than doubled. Between December 2000 and December 2008, it fell 34 percent. People would have been better off putting all their investments into cash under a mattress the day Bush took office.

• Finally, conservatives have an absurdly unjustified view that Republicans have a better record on federal finances. It is well-known that Clinton left office with a budget surplus and Bush left with the largest deficit in history. Less well-known is Clinton’s cutting of spending on his watch, reducing federal outlays from 22.1 percent of GDP to 18.4 percent of GDP. Bush, by contrast, increased spending to 20.9 percent of GDP. Clinton abolished a federal entitlement program, Welfare, for the first time in American history, while Bush established a new one for prescription drugs.

Conservatives delude themselves that the Bush tax cuts worked and that the best medicine for America’s economic woes is more tax cuts; at a minimum, any tax increase would be economic poison. They forget that Ronald Reagan worked hard to pass one of the largest tax increases in American history in September 1982, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act, even though the nation was still in a recession that didn’t end until November of that year. Indeed, one could easily argue that the enactment of that legislation was a critical prerequisite to recovery because it led to a decline in interest rates. The same could be said of Clinton’s 1993 tax increase, which many conservatives predicted would cause a recession but led to one of the biggest economic booms in history.

According to the CBO, federal taxes will amount to just 15.5 percent of GDP this year. That’s 2.2 percent of GDP less than last year, 3.3 percent less than in 2007, and 1.8 percent less than the lowest percentage recorded during the Reagan years. If conservatives really believe their own rhetoric, they should be congratulating Obama for being one of the greatest tax cutters in history.

Conservatives will respond that some tax cuts are good while others are not. Determining which is which is based on something called supply-side economics. Because I was among those who developed it, I think I can speak authoritatively on the subject. According to the supply-side view, temporary tax cuts and tax credits are economically valueless. Only permanent cuts in marginal tax rates will significantly raise growth.

On this basis, we see that Bush’s tax cuts were pretty much the opposite of what supply-side economics would recommend. The vast bulk of his tax cuts involved tax rebates—which failed in 2001 and again in 2008, because the vast bulk of the money was saved—or tax credits that had no incentive effects. While marginal rates were cut slightly—the top rate fell from 39.6 percent to 35 percent—it was phased in slowly and never made permanent. Neither were Bush’s cuts in capital gains and dividend taxes.

I could go on to discuss other Bush mistakes that had negative economic consequences, such as the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which imposed a massive regulatory burden on corporations without doing anything to prevent corporate misconduct, and starting unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which will burden the economy for decades to come in the form of veterans’ benefits.

But there is yet another dimension to Bush’s failures—the things he didn’t do. In this category I would put a health-care overhaul. Budget experts have known for years that Medicare was on an unsustainable financial path. It is impossible to pay all the benefits that have been promised because spending has been rising faster than GDP.

In 2003, the Bush administration repeatedly lied about the cost of the drug benefit to get it passed, and Bush himself heavily pressured reluctant conservatives to vote for the program.

Because reforming Medicare is an important part of getting health costs under control generally, Bush could have used the opportunity to develop a comprehensive health-reform plan. By not doing so, he left his party with nothing to offer as an alternative to the Obama plan. Instead, Republicans have opposed Obama's initiative while proposing nothing themselves.

In my opinion, conservative activists, who seem to believe that the louder they shout the more correct their beliefs must be, are less angry about Obama’s policies than they are about having lost the White House in 2008. They are primarily Republican Party hacks trying to overturn the election results, not representatives of a true grassroots revolt against liberal policies. If that were the case they would have been out demonstrating against the Medicare drug benefit, the Sarbanes-Oxley bill, and all the pork-barrel spending that Bush refused to veto.

Until conservatives once again hold Republicans to the same standard they hold Democrats, they will have no credibility and deserve no respect. They can start building some by admitting to themselves that Bush caused many of the problems they are protesting.

-- Bruce Bartlett was one of the original supply-siders, helping draft the Kemp-Roth tax bill in the 1970s. In the 1980s and 1990s, he was a leading Republican economist. He now considers himself to be a political independent. He is the author of Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action and Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy . His latest book, The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward, will be published by Palgrave Macmillan in October.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bankingcrisis; brucebartlett; bush; bushsfault; federalspending; gop; insidejob; january2008; kneepadbrigade; obama

1 posted on 08/13/2009 1:15:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy must have one hell of an FBI file.


2 posted on 08/13/2009 1:16:43 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley
He dose not get it.. I was Pissed off at BOTH parties at about two years before George W. Bush even ran for Office.. and DAMN... they proved me right up to know...

Both sides are at fault for this mess.. but they would play us for suckers and try to blame the other side to get you angry..

Apparently.. its working.

3 posted on 08/13/2009 1:19:25 PM PDT by Kitanis
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh....how about you live in the PRESENT, Bruce???


4 posted on 08/13/2009 1:19:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Tell everyone, DEMS are the RACISTS...they created the KKK and Jim Crow Laws...to start)
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To: Kitanis

I agree. Both parties use government as a taxpayer-funded cash cow to reward their cronies and stay in power.


5 posted on 08/13/2009 1:22:44 PM PDT by FreeSmart
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To: SeekAndFind

Ugh. I agree with parts of what he said—the recession was shaping up during 2008, and GWB made a LOT of mistakes through his term on economic policy (especially in spending like a drunken pirate and cranking the deficit up to ridiculous levels). But just because President Bush made a ton of mistakes doesn’t mean that we can’t call President Obama out for making WORSE mistakes, such as running the deficit even higher out beyond the event horizon, nationalizing major corporations, attempting to execute more state control over the economy, and now trying to nationalize our healthcare system.

You can argue whether Bush was bad on the economy, but I can’t see how any conservative could argue that Obama isn’t much, much worse. One does not prevent you from pointing out the other.

}:-)4


6 posted on 08/13/2009 1:22:44 PM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bush’s fault™

FWIW, McCain and Bush both made weak attempts to fix/end the subprime thing.


7 posted on 08/13/2009 1:23:25 PM PDT by BJClinton (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Moose4
Who said this :

“I have abandoned free-market principles to save the free- market system,”


8 posted on 08/13/2009 1:24:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy is so far off the edge. I e-mail corresponded with him and he HATES Bush. Apparently, he’s pals with the Muzzies or something because he’s just insane.


9 posted on 08/13/2009 1:25:09 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: SeekAndFind
Where is the evidence that everything would be better if Republicans were in charge?

Republicans have not been in charge for a long time.

Bush was hamstrung by the Democrats in the House and Senate.

Also, Bush and his Father are both Northeast Liberal Republicans, so they are mostly Democrats in their action.

McCain is also, so any questions about how it would be "different" are misguided, at least.

10 posted on 08/13/2009 1:25:29 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: SeekAndFind

“If George W. Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.” - Bruce Bartlett, 2004.


11 posted on 08/13/2009 1:26:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind

And, FWIW, there probably wouldn’t be a “free market system” to save if Bush hadn’t fought the war on terror. In five years, he absolutely cremated al-Qaeda. Obama is slowly letting them off the mat in Afghanistan, and we’ll have to do it all over again in a year or so, after more towers go.


12 posted on 08/13/2009 1:27:00 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Bartlett: Just imagine how sharply consumer spending would have increased if the trillion dollars of stimulus had gone to tax refunds, for instance. Sure, if that were our strategy, the GDP would probably tank in 2011 by about 5%, but it’d go up by about 10% before then. Now, we’re due for a tanking, with no growth first.

But if your point is that we should be outraged by the 2007-2008 Congress and the feckless, spineless bastard in the White House back then for being so soft on Domestic communism/totalitarianism, then your point is well taken. George Bush and Juan McCain can rot in Hell with Obama.


13 posted on 08/13/2009 1:27:13 PM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
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To: SeekAndFind
The gross domestic product and the level of employment would be pretty much the same today under any conceivable set of policies enacted since Barack Obama’s inauguration.

That's just plain idiotic. McCain sucks, but there are plenty of "conceivable policies" that could have ended the recession already. Louie Gohmert's tax holiday proposal, for one.

14 posted on 08/13/2009 1:28:26 PM PDT by Sloth (Irony: Freepers who call Ron Paul a "nut" but swallow all the birth certificate conspiracy crap.)
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To: kcvl

>> “If George W. Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.” - Bruce Bartlett, 2004. <<

He was right on that point, in retrospective. The socialists in capitalist clothing in DC warred versus the conservative grass roots.


15 posted on 08/13/2009 1:28:52 PM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
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To: SeekAndFind

“He is the author of Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action and Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy . His latest book, The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward, will be published by Palgrave Macmillan in October.”

Huh???? One book DEFENDS the Reagan legacy. The next calls it a FAILURE. Sounds like he is not getting invited to enough wine and cheese parties inside the Beltway. What a loser.


16 posted on 08/13/2009 1:29:10 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: SeekAndFind
Because reforming Medicare is an important part of getting health costs under control generally, Bush could have used the opportunity to develop a comprehensive health-reform plan.

So this "conservative" economist is in favor of socialized medicine? I smell something fishy.
17 posted on 08/13/2009 1:29:31 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Can we trade in the clunker we have in the White House?)
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To: LS
I have had a few back and forths with him via FaceBook. He has truly lost it.

Someone obviously did something to him in the past and he won't let it go. Who and what is the question.

18 posted on 08/13/2009 1:33:03 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this is 0 cleaning up a mess, I dread mess he is going to make for the next guy. His clean up is a complete screw up.


19 posted on 08/13/2009 1:34:39 PM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

I take issue with a lot of what he says here because Bartlett is a well known Bush hater and enough so to want to carry water for Clinton. No mention of the tech crash and declining revenues that Bush walked into, no mention of the Wall St. corruption that went on during Clinton’s watch that the Dems were able to blame on Bush (Enron) that prompted Sarbenes/Oxley, Clinton’s WH signed Graham Leach and pushed subprime lending. Clinton also had the Repubs in Congress refusing to go along with his spending plans and kept him in check. Bush did raise the red flag on freddie and fannie and he was crucified for even trying to limit social spending growth. When he talked about allowing people to own some of their tax dollars with respect to SS he was crucified for that as well.

Oh, and please don’t deny that Greenspan had nothing to do with our credit bubble Bruce.

Bush could have and should have made some different decisions but I don’t recall any democrats calling for less social spending.


20 posted on 08/13/2009 1:35:44 PM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: LS

Oh, I understand that completely. But I don’t think that lets George W. Bush completely off the hook for a whole series of government-expanding, budget-expanding initiatives (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, TARP, etc.). In the end, “compassionate conservatism” sure wasn’t conservative, and I don’t think it was terribly compassionate for the folks who are going to pay for it down the road—you, me, and our kids.

GWB doesn’t deserve anywhere near the hate he gets from the left or the right (and it sure looks like Bartlett thinks he ran over his dog or something). But at the same time, let’s be clear-eyed about the mistakes he made in addition to the fantastic job he did against Islamic terror.

}:-)4


21 posted on 08/13/2009 1:36:01 PM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh what earthly use is being angry at a guy who is no longer POTUS? Bush made a bunch of policy and strategic errors but that has little impact in real time.

We are fighting against policies and proposals which some are trying to force on us. It is about the present and the future not the damned past.

The historical lesson to be learned from the Bush years is don’t elect a non-conservative to the office if you can avoid it. Nevertheless, Bush was better than the Democrat alternative. Politics is about choosing from available choices. If I could have my fantasy POTUS it would be Reagan at age 36 with no 22nd Amendment.


22 posted on 08/13/2009 1:37:30 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: SeekAndFind
To a large extent, Obama is only cleaning up messes created by Bush. This is not to say Obama hasn’t made mistakes himself ...

Including VOTING FOR THE STUFF WE'RE MAD ABOUT!

Until conservatives once again hold Republicans to the same standard they hold Democrats, they will have no credibility and deserve no respect. They can start building some by admitting to themselves that Bush caused many of the problems they are protesting.

Where has this guy been? It's CONSERVATIVES who have been griping at the GOP to the point many of us left the party long ago!! Why do they all confuse conservatives with Republicans?

In 2003, the Bush administration repeatedly lied about the cost of the drug benefit to get it passed, and Bush himself heavily pressured reluctant conservatives to vote for the program.

For the record, a good many conservatives said don't pass this entitlement. But really, is this something this guy wants to use in his argument, when 0bama and the Dems are crowing about how they've "won significant benefit for Medicare patients by eliminating the doughnut hole", meaning they took a program that is costing umpteen and cannot be sustained and will be making it worse!!

Finally, conservatives have an absurdly unjustified view that Republicans have a better record on federal finances. It is well-known that Clinton left office with a budget surplus and Bush left with the largest deficit in history. Less well-known is Clinton’s cutting of spending on his watch, reducing federal outlays from 22.1 percent of GDP to 18.4 percent of GDP.

I am so tired of these people giving Clinton credit for anything along the lines of fiscal responsibility, welfare reform, etc. It was the TRUE CONSERVATIVES in the GOP back in 1995 who wrote the budget reforms/legislation, it was not Clinton and his big spenders in his administration. He is not the one who cut (real, true minuses, not the phony cuts in proposed increases) spending, the GOP is. If he hadn't pushed so much on the citizens over their vociferous objection, the Dems would not have lost all those seats, Mr. Newt would not have had the chance to pass the Contract With America. It was not Clinton at all -- only look at the difference in what he did in 1993 and what he signed in 1995-2000. PLEASE already!!

23 posted on 08/13/2009 1:39:24 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, so because Republicans were screwups we shouldn’t hold Obama to account for his own screwups? LOL

I believe I recall getting in Bush and the Republican’s faces over amnesty, Miers and the stimulas. Now we’re getting in Obama and Democrat’s face over this government takeover of the health industry. Rest assured if Republicans find themselves in power again due to Democrat incompetance that the old days of party over principle are over. I’ll be just as strident against them if they, I guess when they is more likely, propose similiar destructive policy.

Maybe it’s time the Left did the same and realized the true enenmy is the government they wish expnded and the elites that scorn average Americans.


24 posted on 08/13/2009 1:40:03 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( qite often tha)
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To: SeekAndFind

Conservatives are angry at Bush. You don’t get an approval rating below 30% without really annoying your own base.


25 posted on 08/13/2009 1:42:25 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Carley

demholes took over Congress in ‘06. That’s when it all started going downhill.


26 posted on 08/13/2009 1:43:28 PM PDT by wny
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Because reforming Medicare is an important part of getting health costs under control generally, Bush could have used the opportunity to develop a comprehensive health-reform plan.

Dude, (Bartlett), look what happened when the conservative Republicans attempted to begin serious, reasonable Medicare reform in 1995 -- Rep. John Lewis (among other Dems) on the Floor of the House: "They're coming for the old! They're coming for the poor! They're coming for the chil'ren!!"

This guy is fruit loops, or he's got an agenda.

27 posted on 08/13/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Bruce Bartlett is a self serving IDIOT!

Nothing more or less!

When you see his by line on something read no further is my advice.


28 posted on 08/13/2009 1:46:00 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Question_Assumptions

No kidding. They keep trying to use Bush as the bogeyman and can’t understand why it doesn’t work. It’s only partly because he’s no longer in office. The other part is that conservatives still hold him somewhat responsible for where we are today in domestic policy and partisanship breakdowns on government. For some reason they have developed amnesia about the intra party fights they enjoyed from the sidelines so much during Bush’s second term.

Word to Libs. We no more like Republicans than Democrats. It’s just you are the majority party now so you’ll rightly receive the bulk of anger.


29 posted on 08/13/2009 1:51:05 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( qite often tha)
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To: pallis

It will take a century of Republican rule to clean up this idiot’s mess.
He makes Carter’s legacy look like a windfall for America.


30 posted on 08/13/2009 1:51:36 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: LS
This guy is so far off the edge. I e-mail corresponded with him and he HATES Bush. Apparently, he’s pals with the Muzzies or something because he’s just insane.

And that hate is bi-partisan.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


31 posted on 08/13/2009 2:03:06 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Bush’s incompetence led to the election of a Democrat"

Agreed.

0bummer simply ran as "Not Bush" and won.

32 posted on 08/13/2009 2:04:35 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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To: Moose4
I view TARP as the dress rehearsal for Obanomics.

Hundreds of billions transferred from taxpayers and taxpayers' children into the pockets of the politically influential, based on the lie that "we gotta do something RIGHT NOW, there's a CRISIS".

In that sense it is Bush's fault.

And if we replace Obama with a Republican who continues to prop up the investment banking zombies with government debt, in the long run we'll be no better off.

33 posted on 08/13/2009 2:28:35 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Will we ever have another President whose lips aren't attached to Goldman Sachs' ass??)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the economy is so slow to respond why then did we see near instantaneous devaluation of the stock market with 0bama’s ‘we got a guy, and he has a plan for the economy!’-then the guy says ‘thanks for the job. what plan?’- fiasco?

Value is based upon perception of long term worth. The more power government exerts the less predictable things are because while the market is predictable, government is irrational and arbitrary.

34 posted on 08/13/2009 2:43:36 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: LS

IIRC, Bartlett was a paleoPaulie fan which is enough to eliminate him as rational now and forever. Just another poseur on autosmooch for Islamofascist butts.


35 posted on 08/13/2009 3:00:08 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: allmendream
Value is based upon perception of long term worth. The more power government exerts the less predictable things are because while the market is predictable, government is irrational and arbitrary.

Excellent summary. Those words should be engraved in stone some place where the congress critters can read them every day as they pass by on their way to another day of destroying the country at the orders of Dear Leader.

36 posted on 08/13/2009 3:00:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: Moose4
No question from 2005 on, domestically, he came unglued. For whatever reasons---I think it was a misplaced but genuine compassion, but I wish it was simply misjudgment about trying to "buy" support for the war---he just went the wrong way domestically. It got him absolutely no credit from the lefties--Obama bashes the presc. drug bill even now! Outrageous, as that's a 100% leftie bill.

But I think as more unfolds about his admin, we're going to see that he did an astounding job defeating AQ and keeping us safe.

37 posted on 08/13/2009 3:05:40 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: livius
:) Thanks so much!

Unfortunately their thinking is upside down. They think the market is irrational arbitrary and unpredictable while government is rational.

The law of unintended consequences never occurs to them. Subsidize unwed motherhood, and watch it become a way of life. Provide the people with subsidized bread cheaper than the wheat in it, and watch farmers feed bread to pigs. The tragedy of the commons on anything that is not owned just used, and thus ill used.

I wish I could claim credit for my way of thinking but I have to cite Walter Williams, Tomas Sowell, and Edgar Rice Burroughs (through the character of Dejah Thoris).

38 posted on 08/13/2009 3:08:06 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: SeekAndFind

After reading this I think it is safe to assume the entirety of creation came about only when Bush was elected and he told God personally to screw things up.


39 posted on 08/13/2009 3:11:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: SeekAndFind
Here, Bruce. Stand aside and let the pros handle this.

"Bush sucks, but Obama swallows."

All fixed now.

Cheers!

40 posted on 08/13/2009 3:44:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: FreeSmart
You might enjoy this and this related vanity.

Cheers!

41 posted on 08/13/2009 3:46:30 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LeonardFMason
"wine and cheese parties"

That's whine and cheese parties, son.

Cheers!

42 posted on 08/13/2009 3:47:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: misterrob
When he talked about allowing people to own some of their tax dollars with respect to SS he was crucified for that as well.

You do well to remember this.

Click here for the ultimate b*tch-slap of anyone who accuses the current GOP of "scaring seniors" over the Obama ApathacareTM Final Solution.

Cheers!

43 posted on 08/13/2009 4:20:32 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Leading conservative economist Bruce Bartlett

LMAO!!!
I only had to read the first five words to know what a steaming pile of fresh dog feces this nonsense would be.

44 posted on 08/13/2009 4:28:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: LS

Yep, this pantload Bartlett is the same kind of “leading conservative economist” as Paul Craig Roberts - - a jack-in-the-box looney tune.


45 posted on 08/13/2009 4:32:22 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind

What an idiot. IMHO yes the economy would’ve still been bad but by Obma’s actions he’s msde it worse much worse.


46 posted on 08/13/2009 4:42:09 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind


I guess he's right at least some of the time. There's
hell to pay all over the political spectrum.
47 posted on 08/13/2009 4:44:00 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SeekAndFind

Terminal case of BDS. Talk about living in the past. Sheesh.


48 posted on 08/13/2009 6:16:18 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: Moose4

“You can argue whether Bush was bad on the economy, but I can’t see how any conservative could argue that Obama isn’t much, much worse. One does not prevent you from pointing out the other.”

Correct. The author seemingly cannot tell the difference between bad and really, really ,really bad.


49 posted on 08/13/2009 9:10:02 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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