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Airborne Laser Completes 1st Test Against Missile
Boeing Missile Defense Systems ^ | Aug. 13, 2009 | Marc Selinger, Chuck Cadena

Posted on 08/14/2009 10:46:14 PM PDT by gandalftb

EDWARDS AFB, CA - The Boeing Company and the US Missile Defense Agency successfully completed the Airborne Laser's (ABL) first in-flight test against an instrumented target missile, achieving a historic milestone.

During the test, the modified Boeing 747-400F used its infrared sensors to find a target missile launched from San Nicolas Island, Calif. The battle management system aboard ABL issued engagement and target location instructions to the beam control/fire control system, which acquired the target and fired its two solid-state illuminator lasers to track the target and measure atmospheric conditions.

ABL then fired a surrogate high-energy laser at the target, simulating a missile intercept. Instrumentation on the target verified that the surrogate high-energy laser hit the target.

"This test demonstrates that the Airborne Laser can fully engage an in-flight missile with its battle management and beam control/fire control systems," said Michael Rinn, Boeing vice president and ABL program director. "Pointing and focusing a laser beam on a target that is rocketing skyward at thousands of miles per hour is no easy task, but the Airborne Laser is uniquely able to do the job."

ABL will now undergo flight tests in which the aircraft will fire its high-energy laser, first into an onboard calorimeter, then through its beam control/fire control system.

The ABL team then will test the entire weapon system against in-flight missiles, culminating with ABL's first high-energy laser intercept test against a ballistic missile later this year.

ABL would deter potential adversaries and provide speed-of-light capability to destroy all classes of ballistic missiles in their boost phase of flight. Eliminating missiles in their boost phase would reduce the number of shots required by other elements of the layered ballistic missile defense system.

"ABL's revolutionary speed, mobility, precision and lethality would make it a great asset to America's warfighters," Rinn added.

(Excerpt) Read more at boeing.mediaroom.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abl; aerospace; airbornelaser; asat; avionics; boeing; laser; lasers; military; missiledefense; missiledefenseagency; nmd; sdi; starwars; treyobering
There have been a number of previous FR posts regarding the weapons-grade laser that is now operational.

Within a year we will be able to deploy fully operational weapons grade lasers able to knock down any missile, hundreds of miles away in the boost phase. This is the first missile defense of its kind.

N Korea, Iran, whomever, their missiles will be useless. This is the game changer.

1 posted on 08/14/2009 10:46:15 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb
The ABL has been in development for quite awhile, believe it or not.. it was really got going during the Clinton Administration.

Time will tell if Obama would allow this system to be fully developed.

2 posted on 08/14/2009 10:49:10 PM PDT by Kitanis
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To: gandalftb

3 posted on 08/14/2009 10:49:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: phantomworker

ping


4 posted on 08/14/2009 10:55:31 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 205 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: gandalftb

The test managed to get a tagging laser to illuminate the test missile. How steadily is not stated.

Being able to illuminate a hostile missile would greatly help antimissile missiles to home in on it. This would probably be more practical than trying to burn the missile down with a laser from hundreds of miles away, particularly when weather makes the atmosphere almost opaque.


5 posted on 08/14/2009 10:57:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: wastedyears
ABL 747 cutaway.
6 posted on 08/14/2009 10:58:23 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: gandalftb

ABL is all part of the Intergrated Ballistic Missile System
7 posted on 08/14/2009 10:58:36 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: myknowledge

And they said it couldn’t be done!


8 posted on 08/14/2009 10:59:21 PM PDT by libsrscum (Obama causes cancer.)
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To: gandalftb
" This is the game changer. "

Yes, at the speed of light !!!

Let's hope they can get this system up to operational status in one year, and lets hope they can produce more than one 747 with this system.
Here is a deal for airlines/Boeing/and the Air force.
Boeing is looking for more new orders for the new version of the 747-8I Intercontinental ... so far, only 20 + 20 more options for one airline so far.
How many of these systems could, would the Air Force need or use ? .... 10 ? 20 ? 30 ? ....
Have the Air force buy any good used 747 from airlines or cargo companies and convert them to this system...
9 posted on 08/14/2009 10:59:47 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: libsrscum
" And they said it couldn’t be done! "

Need to clarify that more....

They as in, Reagan's critics, Main Stream Media, Liberals, Democrats, and didn't Obama say these systems are useless ? a waste of money ?
10 posted on 08/14/2009 11:03:04 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: libsrscum

You can fire a laser from any target as long it is enough power and has a tracking mirror. If you are firing from space you need a larger mirror. White Sands Missile Range has the High Energy Laser Systems Test Facility.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 11:04:30 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

The ABL range is about 360 miles for liquid-fueled missiles, while the aircraft loiters at an altitude of 40,000ft. That covers all of N Korea and the outer 2/3 of Iran.


12 posted on 08/14/2009 11:04:55 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: libsrscum

They tagged the missile.

Keeping enough laser on it steadily to burn it up, despite intervening clouds and any reflective/refractory coating on the missile itself, is another thing.


13 posted on 08/14/2009 11:05:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: gandalftb

My information on the the Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser (ABL) weapons system is a megawatt-class chemical oxygen iodine laser It is primarily designed as a missile defense system to destroy tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs), while in boost phase. The low-power lasers have been test-fired in flight, aimed at an airborne target board.In theory, the ABL could be used against hostile fighter aircraft, cruise missiles, or even low-earth-orbit satellites (see anti-satellite weapon). However, as they are not its intended target, the capability against them is unknown.


14 posted on 08/14/2009 11:08:08 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We’ll be shooting at 40,000 feet and weather won’t be as much an issue. Liquid fuel will be the easiest to knock down by hitting the big tanks. Solid-fuel knock down would be about half the maximum range.


15 posted on 08/14/2009 11:09:16 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: gandalftb

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/doc_src/ABL_overview.pdf

Here is the Boeing Backrounder


16 posted on 08/14/2009 11:09:18 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Liquid-fuel tanks are obviously the easiest to light up. You’re right, there is no end to the available targets. Certainly we will be making major improvements in power and target aquisition.


17 posted on 08/14/2009 11:11:46 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: gandalftb

I agree. The military applications of the new weapons is endless.


18 posted on 08/14/2009 11:13:33 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: gandalftb

If well above clouds, that would work better to be sure.

I hope some hapless jet liner isn’t in the way, as they cruise at such altitudes.

Also, I wonder if bright plating all external surfaces of the missile that are not already refractory would be an effective countermeasure.


19 posted on 08/14/2009 11:13:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Imagine what could be smoked on the ground.


20 posted on 08/14/2009 11:14:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: gandalftb

Are you telling me that they can’t simply coat the missile with a mirror like finish to reflect the laser?


21 posted on 08/14/2009 11:16:04 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree with you.I would say it could be used for ground targets. Just give the coordinates of the target an POOF!!! This is the perfect weapon for taking out targets that need to be taken care of.


22 posted on 08/14/2009 11:16:48 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Until some of the Axis of Evil achieve similar capacity... this could be worse than nukes because it would not generate any radioactive fallout to make subsequent ground based conquest harder. Think of a party like Iran or North Korea not nuking, but lasering targets in Washington.


23 posted on 08/14/2009 11:22:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: kik5150

Was my question too, though what we know as effective mirrors for optical light might be less effective for the infrared cranked out by carbon dioxide lasers.


24 posted on 08/14/2009 11:24:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (When did it become the Democrat You-Shut-Up-And-Listen-To-Me Tour?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Chinese and the Russians have been working on this as an ASAT weapon for years in defiance of international treaty(ABM Treaty).The same treaties we signed back in 1972. It is rather recently that we have started working on this and achieved great strides. IMHO, we are making better weapon systems than the Russians and to a certain extent the Chinese. The Chinese or Russians have nothing like the ABL.The next world war will be in space using laser weapons.


25 posted on 08/14/2009 11:27:27 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: All

No body panic at this successful test, Barry The Kenyan will kill this program too!


26 posted on 08/14/2009 11:41:19 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It doesn’t take long to burn through the very thin-skinned missiles and destroy their aerodynamic integrity/warhead controls/flight controls and electronics.

“Dumb” single-stage/gravity-ballistic missiles like the Palistinian’s Katuska’s have also been routinely destroyed since the early 2000’s by the THEL and other laser versions.

The lasers are actually chemically-powered by some “complex” H2OH (etc) reactions. You don’t use electric power to create the beam, just mix the chemicals. Given enough liquid in the 747 tanks, it means you can’t run out of “anti-missile missiles” .

While not mid-air refueled now, such a reload capability could be provided by specialist tankers.


27 posted on 08/14/2009 11:41:45 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Actually this is here to stay. I would expect missile tests from Vandenberg very soon.


28 posted on 08/14/2009 11:43:23 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: kik5150
No, I don't think that would work. They are talking about hitting it with multiple megawatts of energy in a very, very short pulse. Think of your average 100W incandescent bulb. Now picture the heat and light of 20,000 to 30,000 of them hitting something.

True, a good mirror would reflect most of the energy. However, how are you going to make a "good mirror" out of a missile body? They have a strict weight budget, can't hang fragile glass or plexi based mirrors on it. A simple paint coating isn't going to do it. That will still absorb too high a percentage of the energy of the laser pulse - boom. Highly polished stainless or some other metal might reflect a fair amount of energy... But would it stay highly polished in the beam? The beam is going to vaporize everything in its path, clouds, moisture, anything that absorbs even a fraction of the energy will boil away. May even ionize the air some?

The laser may not even need to damage the missile. Just the superheating of the air on that side of the missile is going to disrupt the symmetry of the airflow around the vehicle. That alone may be enough to throw it off course, pitch/yaw it to too high of an angle of attack on the airflow, causing it to tear apart. Ballistic missiles pull some big Gs along the primary axis, but they generally do not pull many Gs turning or maneuvering, they just are not built for it like SAMs and Air-to-Air missiles.

During boost the missile structure is under tremendous forces, acceleration, aerodynamic drag (and heating), internal pressure on the fuel and oxidizer tanks, even more pressure if it is a solid fuel booster. You don't have to upset that system/structure much and it will simply tear itself apart. Generally even the smallest structural failure leads to catastrophic loss of the vehicle...

29 posted on 08/14/2009 11:44:16 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I agree with your assesment


30 posted on 08/14/2009 11:46:10 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: kik5150

The way the Army engineers discribed the results to me, the force of the laser is so strong it literally “punches” (distorts and blows through) the incoming missile - not “heat it up and melt the missile wall” like in James Bond movies.

Mirror-reflection surfaces don’t reflect enough energy to matter - the mirrored surface itself is destroyed.

Notably, one avantage that an airborne laser gets is that thermal bloom - the distortion of the cylinder of air between the laser and the target as the laser goes through the air - is minimized by the forward movement of the aircraft in the air. Ground based lasers lose some time between shots if several targets are in the same “tunnel” of air if they all come from the same launcher.


31 posted on 08/14/2009 11:48:37 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

You really nailed it with this part: “The laser may not even need to damage the missile. Just the superheating of the air on that side of the missile is going to disrupt the symmetry of the airflow around the vehicle.”

All mirrors (even if feasible to attach) would do is INCREASE the heating of the air on that side of the missile by redirecting some of the energy back there.

The “they’ll just coat their missiles with mirrors” meme is a fallacy possited by the left to denigrate the technology in the eyes of a scientifically ignorant public. After all, the dollars “wasted” on actual national defense could be better spent buying votes...


32 posted on 08/14/2009 11:57:52 PM PDT by piytar (Being asked to report your neighbors to flag@whitehouse.gov is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: piytar; ThunderSleeps

He did a very good summation


33 posted on 08/14/2009 11:58:49 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: gandalftb

FReepers are losing their edge. Here we are, 30 posts into this thread, and there’s no picture of Dr. Evil saying “just give me sharks with frickin’ laser beams, that’s all I ask”.


34 posted on 08/15/2009 12:01:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo

Put one up then


35 posted on 08/15/2009 12:12:17 AM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Then that would be taking away someone else’s thunder and they’d have to think of something witty to say in order to bump this thread.


36 posted on 08/15/2009 12:17:05 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo

"Okay people, all I'm asking for is a fleet of jumbo jets with laaassser beams on them. Is that so friggin' difficult?"

37 posted on 08/15/2009 12:36:35 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: gandalftb

Cool.....

I can now say we have a real death-ray gun.....


38 posted on 08/15/2009 1:25:52 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

I like to see that in action.


39 posted on 08/15/2009 1:27:50 AM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Being able to illuminate a hostile missile would greatly help antimissile missiles to home in on it. This would probably be more practical than trying to burn the missile down with a laser from hundreds of miles away, particularly when weather makes the atmosphere almost opaque.

Atmospherics at +50K feet are quite a bit clearer than at sea level.

40 posted on 08/15/2009 1:33:41 AM PDT by fso301
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That was the first thing I thought of too ... reflecting 90%+ of the power directed at it would work well..
41 posted on 08/15/2009 2:13:29 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: ThunderSleeps
The beam is going to vaporize everything in its path, clouds, moisture, anything that absorbs even a fraction of the energy will boil away. May even ionize the air some?

But not birds ... right? We wouldn't want to vaporize some birds to save the nation.

42 posted on 08/15/2009 3:09:47 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: sonofstrangelove

>> The Chinese or Russians have nothing like the ABL.

Not yet, but Hillary and/or Bill will take care of that detail on their next trip to China or NoKo.


43 posted on 08/15/2009 4:36:34 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: libsrscum

We’re here! We’re here! We’re in the Buck Rogers age!

And the Animal Farm age.


44 posted on 08/15/2009 4:42:45 AM PDT by RoadTest (I am not a Sunday God.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“>> The Chinese or Russians have nothing like the ABL.

Not yet, but Hillary and/or Bill will take care of that detail on their next trip to China or NoKo.”

You’re right. That’s where Russia and China have gotten ALL their modern military technology.


45 posted on 08/15/2009 4:44:59 AM PDT by RoadTest (I am not a Sunday God.)
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To: The Duke
But not birds ... right? We wouldn't want to vaporize some birds to save the nation.

Grin, why no, of course not. That's actually been the hold up of the entire program. They had to develop a combination of powerful airborne radars and sensitive IR and visual band sensors, use sophisticated data-fusion algorithms... All so they could detect any wildlife in the area that might be adversely affected by a discharge of the laser. Obviously the battle manager beam planning routines take this into account when determining shot-opportunities... :-)

And of course, since obama is all about transparency and being a good "world citizen" (except when it comes to birth certificates I guess)... If we were ever to put ABL into use in an operational scenario I'm sure he'd issue orders that would reflect his sensitivity to the world stage... "Hey NK, please warn your citizens we have an ABL aircraft orbiting 75 miles off your coast, due east of your missile field at {some unpronounceable name}. Notify your citizens that if they see a smoke trail of one of your missiles headed up, not to look up and avert their eyes - we don't want to hurt anyone."

46 posted on 08/15/2009 6:07:20 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness; PhilDragoo; Grampa Dave
Not to worry. Obamadinejad and Gates have already slashed funding and are poised to KILL THE PROGRAM OUTRIGHT, according a WSJ article. BASTARDS

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574348822530004230.html

47 posted on 08/15/2009 6:37:00 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER ( Proud Member of the angry mob)
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To: gandalftb

But will it lance a volcano?


48 posted on 08/15/2009 8:08:27 AM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Thank you.

This scientist/engineer was ALWAYS of the educated opinion that this could be done, and would be done in time. I believe it should have been accomplished sooner, but that is not the fault of Reagan, or others like me.


49 posted on 08/15/2009 9:43:06 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: gandalftb

Guess which leader recently canceled this program.


50 posted on 08/15/2009 11:57:32 AM PDT by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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