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How U.S. allies nearly won Vietnam War
WorldNetDaily ^ | August 17, 2009 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 08/15/2009 7:34:58 PM PDT by RobinMasters

In his recent appearance on the Roger Hedgecock Show, Richard Botkin, author of "Ride the Thunder," shares the heroic and largely untold story of how South Vietnamese warriors and their American counterparts almost won the Vietnam War.

Hedgecock's nationally syndicated daily radio show can be heard in 75+ markets and on XM Satellite. His show streams live on WND from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern.

Marine Capt. Botkin toured battlefields in Vietnam and has chronicled the Vietnamese military organization called TQLC, whose members, with their American advisers, "fought, bled, endured and triumphed against communism."

Botkin's book tells a new Vietnam history with a unique twist – a happy and inspiring ending. It has been an instant hit with booksellers and reviewers, Vietnam vets and the South Vietnamese community in the U.S.

In his interview with Hedgecock, Botkin said his goal in writing the book was to "honor and affirm the warrior" with a story about brave men facing tough times and overcoming in the face of extreme adversity.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: booktour; botkin; ridethethunder; vietnam; vietnamwar
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To: RobinMasters

Calling it a night. Will check back in the AM.

Since I am a USAF Colonel’s daughter, here is one of my favorite videos.

A tribute to the USAF:

http://www.media-magik.com/usaf.html


21 posted on 08/15/2009 8:39:37 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
My dad was a Thud pilot July 67 - May 68 and I have done a lot of research on what these pilots were able to do and not do.

What is his view of "Thud Ridge" by Col. Jack Broughton? I think that book gave an excellent picture of the absurd restrictions under which the F-105s had to operate.

22 posted on 08/15/2009 8:47:52 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Interesting Times
He said “Thud Ridge” was dead on. My dad lost friends because of the restrictions and it didn't have to happen. Another good read is “When Thunder Rolled” by Ed Rasimus. It is a first hand account of what was going through a pilot's mind as he made his way to training, his first mission over the infamous Route Pac Six and completion of his 100 missions. Good stuff. Also if you search for and go to “Craig Bakers F-105 site” you will find lots of good stuff on the plane, the missions and the pilots.
23 posted on 08/15/2009 8:56:54 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Thanks. Broughton also wrote a followup twenty years later titled “Going Downtown.” It’s worth reading as well.


24 posted on 08/15/2009 9:00:38 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: RobinMasters

The U.S. and the SVN were winning the VN war. The Democrat Congress lost it all when they chose to eliminate funding for continued supplies of ammo, etc. to the SVN AFTER they forced the withdrawal of U.S. force. We would have won it much earlier if the left had not forced an end to the bombing of the North.


25 posted on 08/15/2009 9:06:18 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“..am I right ?”

It was a larger war than just the Tet offensive but we did put a major hurt on them. The biggest blow of the Tet Offensive was Uncle Walter convincing the hippies and their lefty mommies that the U.S. had lost the Tet effort although we had a decisive win. Walter Cronkite did a complete spin job to the detriment of the U.S. troops.


26 posted on 08/15/2009 9:11:04 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: smoothsailing

I’ve never been able to find proof that Giap said that. I’d still like to find out if that came out of an interview with him. I didn’t find it in the book he wrote.


27 posted on 08/15/2009 9:24:41 PM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Hey, Doc! How are ya? This is an encouraging thread... Guess I’ll hafta find that book! But when I left, according to Uncle Wally, we had lost the year before!


28 posted on 08/15/2009 9:36:22 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: meatloaf

I don’t know if he said it or not, but it’s nonetheless true. Linebacker II hurt the commies, badly. It was a full-on, World War II scale saturation attack, and even though the first part of the campaign was poorly planned, resulting in lost aircraft and needless death, the campaign as a whole was a body blow to North Vietnam. By the time the last raid occurred (99 B-52s, plus a large number of tactical aircraft), Hanoi was on the ropes. We had leveled pretty much every logistical and industrial site in North Vietnam, including electric power stations, POL and petroleum storage, marshaling yards, freight terminals, warehouses, munitions dumps, dockyards, and so forth. A week or two more bombing at that level would have finished off the commies.


29 posted on 08/15/2009 9:37:25 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: RobinMasters

My wife and I know people from South Vietnam who now live in our community. These are people who survived horrible carnage in refugee camps. They experienced hardship very few of us born in this country are capable of imagining. The friends we know who made it here from South Vietnam are some of the hardest working most patriotic conservative Americans we know.

We have another friend who was my hang glider instructor; he was a Green Beret and was deployed as an adviser early in the war. He told me of the tremendous courage and heroism of the young Vietnamese men that he trained and helped lead in battle. These were amazing stories. I will be looking for Richard Botkin’s book.


30 posted on 08/15/2009 9:46:54 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: RobinMasters
I am an Army brat. My Dad was a Special Forces Advisor in Viet Nam circa 1960 - 61.In 1969 when I joined the USAF, he steered me away from the Army & Marines because he felt they were being sacrificed for political expediency by politicians instead of allowing the military to prosecute the war as it saw fit.He blamed Kennedy in large part for allowing Diem to be assassinated and thereby inviting aggression by the North and Johnson for trying to play general - totally mismanaging the war. The US military never lost a major battle & Tet was a complete defeat for the VC & NVA.Our politicians once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory as they continue to do today.
31 posted on 08/15/2009 10:08:12 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: meatloaf
I've never seen an original source for the quote.

But Giap was a ruthless and brilliant General, and he would have been well aware that the reporting of the American media and the American domestic dissent it stoked was having an impact on American political decisions concerning the war, thus aiding his efforts.

With that in mind, even if Giap never uttered those exact words, or ever wrote them down somewhere, he would certainly see the truth in them, even if his own code of honor made it impossible for him to admit it.

32 posted on 08/15/2009 10:20:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RobinMasters; shibumi
God bless our men who fought in Vietnam.

I grew up watching the Vietnam War on the 7:00 pm News, with Cronkite and the like.

Our men didn't nearly win the war, they DID their part, but the politicians and the MSM undermined them and stole victory from their grasps.

The Politicians and the MSM of that era have the blood of Americas finest sons on their hands.

May they both suffer their portion of the fires of hell.

33 posted on 08/15/2009 10:22:40 PM PDT by Semper Mark (ObamaCare: A Funeral Directors delight.)
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To: RobinMasters
As bad as Obama is, it would have been worse if Kerry won in 2004 because he would of made Iraq another Vietnam.

Unfortunately Obama still may do so.

34 posted on 08/15/2009 10:35:53 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (...and never forget that!)
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To: RobinMasters; ConorMacNessa; Markos33; Salamander
MACV Team 14, 1970 - 71. I never felt or will feel that we were wrong, or that we were defeated. It was scum like those in power today that lost the war.


35 posted on 08/15/2009 10:41:37 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Yep, pretty much. Missions originated in Washington. Also keep in mind that we were under rules of engagement. When you have ROE, it encumbers the fighting forces making total victory very difficult.

AS we used to say : "It don't mean nuthin".

36 posted on 08/15/2009 10:51:47 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: RobinMasters; atomic conspiracy; ConorMacNessa; 12Gauge687; LuvFreeRepublic; meatloaf; Frantzie; ...
"Never forget, never forgive."

Words I live by...

We were paid to stop the communist aggression, which we did. Some paying the ultimate price...

Now they want us to lay down, do nothing, and allow that same communist organization to destroy Our Nation!

They have no idea what "Payback" truly means if they continue down this path of destruction...

37 posted on 08/15/2009 11:20:28 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: smoothsailing

I think there’s a possibility it came from an interview with Giap. There was one writer for whom I tried to find contact info. Never was able to find it.


38 posted on 08/15/2009 11:32:14 PM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: shibumi

thank you for your service. I will never forget what you and men such as yourself did for this country.


39 posted on 08/16/2009 12:08:50 AM PDT by bobby.223
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To: afnamvet

There are ALWAYS Rules of Engagement. Sometimes they are real simple (and I like simple), such as “Go there. Kill everything that moves. Do not use nukes. Come home.” Other times (like Vietnam), we have a braying jackass like LBJ who must PERSONALLY approve each day’s bombing lists and get LOTS of our brothers killed for no good reason!!!

DC Wright
USMC Phu Bai, 1969


40 posted on 08/16/2009 1:11:40 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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