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RETREAT : White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
Associated Press Writer ^ | August 16, 2009 | PHILIP ELLIOTT

Posted on 08/16/2009 9:16:51 AM PDT by RobinMasters

WASHINGTON – Apparently ready to abandon the idea, President Barack Obama's health secretary said Sunday a government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul.

The White House indicated it could jettison the contentious public option and settle on insurance cooperatives as an acceptable alternative, a move embraced by some Republicans lawmakers who have strongly opposed the administration's approach so far.

Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama has been pressing for the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the White House would be open to co-ops instead of a government-run public option, a sign Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the must-win showdown.

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1 posted on 08/16/2009 9:16:52 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Don’t believe it.


2 posted on 08/16/2009 9:17:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: RobinMasters

They’d better kill this think and start all over again.

If at all.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 9:17:56 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: RobinMasters

I won’t let up till they drop the whole damned IDEA of nationalizing MY health care!


4 posted on 08/16/2009 9:18:14 AM PDT by bayliving (How long before the Stars and Bars are replaced with the sickle and hammer?)
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To: angkor
thinkg

whoops.

5 posted on 08/16/2009 9:18:56 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: livius

I don’t really think it will be out of the picture until we can get this administration out of office.


6 posted on 08/16/2009 9:19:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Impeach Barak "let them eat cake" Obama, while there's still something of our Republic to save.)
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To: livius
Don’t believe it.

Exactly.

Compromise isn't an option. This bill, and the adminstration that spawned it, have to go.

7 posted on 08/16/2009 9:19:31 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (STOP OBAMA NOW.)
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To: RobinMasters
Kill the entire bill. This thing is pure anti-freedom and needs to die now. Otherwise, they will just add the "public option" back later. This may have been the plan all along.

Kill it now, while it squirms.
8 posted on 08/16/2009 9:20:08 AM PDT by Pantera
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To: RobinMasters


9 posted on 08/16/2009 9:20:15 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: livius

Don’t believe it.
_______________________________

Hell no! Don’t trust them at all.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 9:20:34 AM PDT by unkus
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To: RobinMasters

This thing was over when they couldn’t rush the vote before the summer recess.

Next time they try this they must have silenced Talk Radio and Fox. Believe me...they are working on it.


11 posted on 08/16/2009 9:20:57 AM PDT by kjo
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To: livius

Exactly someplace in their compromise bill will be a clause or section to allow what they could not legislatively get to be imposed bureaucratically.


12 posted on 08/16/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Former Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session “death panels,” a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.

Rebuke?
Why did they pull that section of the bill?


13 posted on 08/16/2009 9:25:13 AM PDT by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: RobinMasters
Any Republicans or Democrats who "compromise" for the sake of popularity now on this important principle involving future generations should be recalled at the next election cycle!

This is not about a frivolous question of which provisions are acceptable and which are unacceptable. This is about a power struggle between the principles the founding generation were willing to stake their "lives, property, and sacred honor" for, and those who, throughout the history of civilization have arrogated unto themselves power over other people's lives.

The current "issue" called "health care reform," or its equally obnoxious semantic twin "health insurance reform," is just the invasion of liberty by arrogant elected officials which has finally aroused citizens who, heretofore, ignored the decades-long power grab by those who were supposed to protect "We, the People's" constitutional principles.

Now, citizens are seeing that it is a matter of "principle," not an issue of semantics over wording.

They should not allow their elected representatives to be coopted by "blue dogs" or any other "wolf in sheep's clothing" that would allow what may turn out to be the most important watershed moment in the history of American liberty to be further threatened. Now, Conrad and Sebelius, and others, sensing the voter mood are throwing out "compromise" talk this weekend, all to punt for better position down the road. Seize the moment for the sake of posterity and just say, "no"!

A word from the author of our Declaration of Independence regarding citizens and oppressive government might give some backbone to today's citizens:

"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny are to illuminate . . . the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that they may. . . know ambition under all its shapes, and . . . exert their natural power to defeat its purposes." - Thomas Jefferson

And, for more wisdom from the same source:

" . . . this is a tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sin and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers. . . have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follws that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."- Thomas Jefferson

14 posted on 08/16/2009 9:25:46 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: RobinMasters

They’re losing a lot of traction on health care so now they plan to punt and move on to amnesty and card check. They figure the average American has only so much venom in them.

Now, what does this say when Jo-bama only had to get **his own party** to vote for socialized medicine and couldn’t get it done?


15 posted on 08/16/2009 9:26:23 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: MizSterious; The Invisible Hand
I don’t really think it will be out of the picture until we can get this administration out of office.

Exactly. He has an agenda and he is determined to impose it; he was trying this one at top speed because he knew it would be unpopular and he wanted to get it through before too much opposition could build up. Now that it looks like there's significant opposition and perhaps not even all of the Dems are on board with it, he (or rather, the radical leftists for whom he is the mouthpiece and salesman) will bring it out again more quietly later, perhaps in a piecemeal fashion.

He hates this country and its people and our system, and he will not rest until he has destroyed them.

16 posted on 08/16/2009 9:26:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: the invisib1e hand

The insurance issue is BS. What they want is to extend the benefits to more people including non citizens. Regardless of whether or not there is a public plan, the onus will be put on the insurance companies i.e. those with insurance to cover those without. That may include complete underwriting by the government i.e. the taxpayers. Furthermore, there would have to be an onus on employers to offer plans, whether they want to or not. I am sure some form of subsidy would have to come. Now then, where will the money to fund this come from. Mostly from Medicare I fear.

This whole this must go down, period. end of story.

Vince


17 posted on 08/16/2009 9:26:46 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: RobinMasters
They'll wind up passing the Marxist-lite Co-op.

Why are they going to settle for 95% socialism? Reverse this clunker and drive for freedom.

obama's way-->oppression
other way<--Freedom

18 posted on 08/16/2009 9:27:15 AM PDT by rvoitier ("The law allows what honor forbids." -- C. C. Colton)
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To: RobinMasters
Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises

Socialism on the installment plan, exactly as advised by Mitt Romney in recent weeks.

Same old story:

The Democrats propose to tear down the Washington Monument, and the Republicans, instead of simply opposing such insanity, counter with their own proposal to do it in three stages.

19 posted on 08/16/2009 9:28:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Principled Independent Conservatives are winning. National Socialists and their dupes are losing.)
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To: JLS

My spider sense tells me that their internal WH poll numbers are tanking.

but they are not finished. this is not over. This is like game 2 of the World Series. they are bringing in the mop up guy to pitch down 12-0. they will be back pushing more socialism sooner than you think.


20 posted on 08/16/2009 9:28:25 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: RobinMasters

The corrupt amateurs and academics we have in charge are leaning an important lesson.

Things don’t work the same way in Washington, as they do in graduate Political Theory classroom, while writing the foundation of an academic paper.


21 posted on 08/16/2009 9:28:46 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: RobinMasters

Strategery options being utilized ?

1. Two steps forward, one step back:

Drop it for now. Pass the bill. Include it later

2. Diversion:

Public option isn`t really the critical centerpiece of legislation. THe WH computerized medical records and “reform” of Medicare will allow Ezekiel Emanuel and Obama to control costs by limiting spending,as is done in the UK, to kill off the sick and elderly.


22 posted on 08/16/2009 9:29:11 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: jamndad5

A death panel by any other name still stinks. Socialists/Leftists are great at euphemisms.


23 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:18 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: JLS
...someplace in their compromise bill will be a clause or section to allow what they could not legislatively get to be imposed bureaucratically.

A very good point. That seems to be his approach with everything, essentially using Congress and the offices supervised by it - Cabinet positions, for example - just for show, while at the same time having his czars enact things through bureaucratic magic that is outside of anybody's oversight (or even sight, most of the time).

24 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Yep, to them it’s a can’t-lose strategy. Simultaneously a feint to get the opposition’s guard down—and an actual fallback in case they can’t somehow sneak it through after all.


25 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RobinMasters

In other words, they’re ready to kill the entire plan. Yeah, I’ll believe it when I see it.


26 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Report dissenters to snitch@whitehouse.gov for a $4,500 tax credit)
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To: livius
Nor do I.

The Obama administration hasn't given up on the idea of the 'public option', they've only changed PR strategies.

Rather than continue beating what even many of their own fellow democrats now consider a dead horse, they're just choosing to bury the dead one inside a Trojan horse bearing the friendlier sounding moniker of "co-ops".

In fact, I'm quite sure they had this 'compromise' ready to go from the very beginning.

It's a classic bait & switch subterfuge, only this time it's not actually a different defective product they're switching to - they're just peddling the same toxic crypto-fascist junk under a less-scary socialist name.

27 posted on 08/16/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by leilani
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To: EternalVigilance

It is what happens when they move to Washingtopia.


28 posted on 08/16/2009 9:31:29 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: RobinMasters

Insurance cooperatives will also remove all MDs from private practice if their only ‘option’ is to be in a cooperative with vastly reduced income prospects such as with the already inadequate Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. Physicians in private practice now account for 10 additional jobs to their own self-employed numbers, and the additional jobs they support will also disappear if cooperatives are established...this amounts to several million jobs. No study has been published or ordered to determine the effect of the impact on private practice and the results on what will be resultant realities of patient choices of physician. The Dems want to get rid of at least 90% of medical specialists by any means possible. THe people they employ and peripherally related jobs will disappear by the millions.


29 posted on 08/16/2009 9:31:55 AM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: RobinMasters
"Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the White House would be open to co-ops instead of a government-run public option, a sign Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the must-win showdown".

We must not compromise. We have them on the run.

Let them WIN whatever they can...no giveaways.

The Coops must NOT have any tax or regulatory advantages over the insurance companies.

30 posted on 08/16/2009 9:32:52 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: 9YearLurker

I think his announcement of his “housing plan” today is part of a strategy to temporarily divert attention from his medical take-over plan. He hopes to make us fight on so many fronts (do we really want the Feds to become the landlord for most of America???) that we will be stretched thin and exhausted.


31 posted on 08/16/2009 9:33:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: OrangeHoof

Co-ops simply boards that are appointed by the President.

This is just single payor by another name.

However, the confusion tactic seems to be working on the MSM.


32 posted on 08/16/2009 9:33:14 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("How's that 'hopey, changy' thing work'in out fer ya?")
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To: livius

Interesting. It’s probably both diversion and yet another front in the war, as you suggest.


33 posted on 08/16/2009 9:34:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: leilani
I'm quite sure they had this 'compromise' ready to go from the very beginning.

You are probably right. I think they gave this a flier and met much more vocal resistance than they expected, so now they're dropping back to Plan B. It's far from over.

34 posted on 08/16/2009 9:34:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: OrangeHoof
They’re losing a lot of traction on health care so now they plan to punt and move on to amnesty and card check

They are going to be losing a lot more as the economy keeps tanking and they are TOO Marxist driven to implement the right solution
35 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:05 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: RobinMasters
Here we go, with the three-card monte again...the dealer is the kenyan.

Any good horse trader knows to ask for more than you really want, and wind up "settling" for what you wanted in the first place.

Americans do not want government health care...PERIOD!

This "announcement" should just intensify the protests...not quell them.
36 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:14 AM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: RobinMasters
"But for all the scare tactics out there, what's truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing."

BWAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah "scary" and "risky" for his political power as President going forward.

37 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:34 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Report dissenters to snitch@whitehouse.gov for a $4,500 tax credit)
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To: RobinMasters

I am thinkin, YEA RIGHT ON! We have em stepping BACKWARDS on this whole thing, and THAT is a great sign!

We won a battle here, but the war is far from over. We can’t let up now until the do something that means something, like TORT REFORM Perhaps????? Yea, This is a good sign!


38 posted on 08/16/2009 9:35:56 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: RobinMasters

Head fake.


39 posted on 08/16/2009 9:36:38 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: angkor

When they tackle tort reform, I might listen.


40 posted on 08/16/2009 9:36:38 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RobinMasters
And furthermore, this is just a ploy to get the camel's nose in the tent...a year from now, they will INCREMENTALLY add the public option back in...

DON'T FALL FOR ANYMORE COMMIEBAMA LIES...JUST SAY 'NO' TO GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE - PERIOD!"
41 posted on 08/16/2009 9:37:09 AM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: kjo

What will happen if they silence talk radio and Fox News?

I heard rumors that Rush had plans to go to the Bahamas, out of US jurisdiction, and set up a radio station there. It would be like the days of “Radio Free Europe” when we broadcast the news and information behind the Iron Curtain.

And, with literally millions of web sites, can they control the whole flow of information online? Just wondering, if they surpress talk radio, maybe the online community will grow more to compensate?

Is the internet even under the jurisdiction of the FCC or any other government agency?


42 posted on 08/16/2009 9:38:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: rvoitier

“Reverse this clunker and drive for freedom.”

Mind if I lift this for my tagline/protest sign?


43 posted on 08/16/2009 9:38:52 AM PDT by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: RobinMasters
So new spin will be that 0bama was never for the "public option" and the "public option" is another scare tactic created by the evil right wing. Just like the new spin this past week of "health insurance reform" vs "health care reform" which 0bama, of course, never wanted.

Spin baby spin.

44 posted on 08/16/2009 9:40:00 AM PDT by crazyhorse46
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To: Mouton

I wonder if they will somehow require insurance companies to cover the uninsured? Then, inevitably costs will rise, and Obama will be able to hammer them for high premiums and high costs, totally ignoring the costs he will impose on them.


45 posted on 08/16/2009 9:40:25 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: livius

If its true, credit belongs on this web site.


46 posted on 08/16/2009 9:41:43 AM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: RobinMasters

The entire bill needs to be killed. Same with Medicare and Social Security. The Feds should have absolutely no stake in health care, retirement, or any other issue that cannot be handled by the states. We need to elect politicians who will begin the task of dismantling the Federal behemoth instead of making it larger. It has to be dismantled - there is no other path to “smaller government.”


47 posted on 08/16/2009 9:42:03 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

They never give up. They won’t give up until we have full blown socialized medicine. After the Clinton failure in ‘94, they went into hiding for years on this issue, only to revive it when they thought the time was right.

It speaks volumes about how unpopular this is. Consider that you have a Democrat president and strong Democrat majorities in Congress. Yet they still can’t get to the socialized medicine utopia even with big majorities in Congress.


48 posted on 08/16/2009 9:42:31 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Can somebody give me a quick and dirty as to how these health cooperatives would work?


49 posted on 08/16/2009 9:43:34 AM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: RobinMasters
"Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the White House would be open to co-ops instead of a government-run public option,..."

And what then? I'll answer that question. Once co-ops are formed, the government will simply take them over just as they did two auto manufacturers and a host of financial institutions.

Anyone who places any trust at all in the present administration is a fool!

50 posted on 08/16/2009 9:46:29 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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