Skip to comments.Utah Told It Canít Count Missionaries In Census
Posted on 08/16/2009 8:33:36 PM PDT by Steelfish
Utah told it cant count missionaries in census
Bureau says theres no way to reliably count those overseas in 2010
Aug 16, 2009
SALT LAKE CITY - The U.S. Census Bureau has told Utah's elected leaders it won't count Mormon missionaries serving overseas in the nation's next head count.
Census Bureau officials, rejecting Utah's lobbying efforts for the better part of a decade, say there's no way to reliably count the overseas missionaries.
Utah leaders say the omission cost the state an extra congressional seat in 2000, when the state fell just 857 people short of receiving the last available slot in the U.S. House.
The Census Bureau does count military and federal employees serving overseas, and Rob Bishop, R-Utah, says it should include Mormons on proselytizing missions.
"The bottom line should still be fairness and accuracy," Bishop said. "If we are currently counting some people abroad and not others, there is just no logic to that whatsoever."
An experiment in counting Americans abroad in 2004 turned into a "colossal failure," said Louis Kincannon, a former Census Bureau director under President Bill Clinton.
Few Americans responded to an outreach program in three sample countries Mexico, France and Kuwait.
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You can count illegals.
You can count the homeless using “estimates”.
You can not count Utah’s citizens who are out of state doing good works....sigh
I’m sure the ACORN types would choose to overlook the missionaries even if they were all home.
Oh Ok...Liberals believe they can change the earths climate but they cant accurately count overseas missionary's. Gotcha.
They could bring the missionaries home for the census.
I am not sure teaching the fairy tales of the convicted fraud, Joseph Smith counts as good works.
Why not lie a little? I’m sure Acorn is going to count any family member who may be in another state temporarily. So when the form comes..add in the kids who are out there on mission and the kids who are in the military. etc. Why not?
Can these people be any more transparent?
Doesn’t matter who else they count or don’t count since they have decided to count the illegals.
The only thing for citizens to do is to undercount themselves to make up for the 30-40 million illegals here.
I plan on making my census ‘very intersting’. lol
“theres no way to reliably count those overseas in 2010”
Airplane tickets there would be a way.
Something completely upside down in that thinking.
Not counting military will be next.
I wonder if they count Americans who are serving overseas in the Peace Corps?
These pinheads piss me off.
There goes Mayor Ray Nagin’s plan to have Katrina refugees counted as still living in New Orleans.
I say we citizens need to undercount ourselves to make up for the illegals they plan on counting.
They say California has 6 million illegals, do you know how many more reps that will add for them?
Do people that live elsewhere really want California to have that many reps?
Conservatives need to really think about how they are going to fill out their census forms.
Can bet every illegal in Utah will be counted though.
That makes two of us for sure!
Then don’t count me.
Don’t count any military.
And so what is the Missionary Position?
The “experts” never cease to amaze me L0L
What idiots. Of course they can count them. Acorn counts dead people and makes up people all of the time. Why not count real people who should be counted?
Utah should count them anyway. They are legitmate.
When I cut through all of my personal feelings about the LDS Church and Mormonism and look at the issue on its merits, I come to a conclusion.
Utah is right and Washington DC is wrong as usual.
That is the choice of the individual (assuming they actually received the "memo"...).
And while I may not agree with Mormonism, this shouldn't be about religion. This is about counting citizens of a state (and illegals should NOT count in any way but how many busses and planes are needed (or train cars?) to sent them back to their country of origin.
Seems like we've created our own "Bingo" parlor here. lol
And that right there is the whole issue - how come illegals get representation in OUR government? Heck, as bad as those from my home state are, I feel like I am not represented - and I am a CITIZEN!!!!
I agree, must as LDS beliefs are anathema to my intellect, - wouldn’t the US embassies in these foreign countries know or their consular offices in the US?
On that note, I am sure the IRS has zero trouble finding anyone who owes any US federal tax, regardless of where in the world said person may live.
They keep prodding the stirring giant that is awakening...and there's going to be some major blow back...starting in 2010.
There is some major blow back now, and they are to arrogant to stop.
don’t count missionaries. Just all the illegals, ACORN grifters, homeless parasites (estimate) and the rest of the freak fest that are the democrat party.
You're not represented, that is why. Illegals in the USA have more rights, generally, than legal US citizens and residents:
If you tried to enroll in an out of state public college in some states, you would be expected to pay out of state tuition, not so for an illegal.
If you needed health care and could not pay for it, you'd get it, but then be hounded for the rest of your life to pay for it. Meanwhile, illegals clog our health care system to the brim and rarely pay for anything with no consequence at all.
If you tried enrolling your children in public schools, you'd be expected to provide proof that you live in the district in which you were enrolling. Illegals, even though they are not legal residents of any state, don't have to go through that hassle.
Your perception is reality my friend. Legal citizens get the short end of the stick from what is supposed to be our government.
If Utah was a Democrat state, they would be counted. Wonder what the former Governor now Ambassador to China thinks of this Administration he is now a part.
From LDS to Catholic Bingo, in one thread. ;)
I got the long form which they will never figure out. I kept filling in the answer, crossing it out, drawing arrows to the real answer, crossing that out, drawing another arrow, etc. Only thing I answered without looking like a first grader did it was the first questions about how many lived in the house. The rest I would hate to have to figure out.
Yes! We are an eclectic lot are we not? lol
That would be an understatement! But, we have a common lineage in truth and freedom.
Yep, I got those LDS relatives and I’m Catholic.
Grandparents went from Catholic and Methodist to Unitarian.
I went to church as a kid at a lost of different denominations.
That was the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw Utah. :)
Ya done good!
In the year 2000, Algore spearheaded an effort in Florida to disallow votes by military personnel voting from overseas. He said the envelopes lacked proof of date, i.e., postmarks. Military personnel serving in war zones can send mail to the U.S. which doesn’t require the normal post office processing - Gore tried to use this technicality since he assumed (probably rightly) that military personnel were heavily against him.