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Utah Told It Canít Count Missionaries In Census
AP Report ^ | August 16, 2009

Posted on 08/16/2009 8:33:36 PM PDT by Steelfish

Utah told it can’t count missionaries in census

Bureau says there’s no way to reliably count those overseas in 2010

Aug 16, 2009

SALT LAKE CITY - The U.S. Census Bureau has told Utah's elected leaders it won't count Mormon missionaries serving overseas in the nation's next head count.

Census Bureau officials, rejecting Utah's lobbying efforts for the better part of a decade, say there's no way to reliably count the overseas missionaries.

Utah leaders say the omission cost the state an extra congressional seat in 2000, when the state fell just 857 people short of receiving the last available slot in the U.S. House.

The Census Bureau does count military and federal employees serving overseas, and Rob Bishop, R-Utah, says it should include Mormons on proselytizing missions.

"The bottom line should still be fairness and accuracy," Bishop said. "If we are currently counting some people abroad and not others, there is just no logic to that whatsoever."

An experiment in counting Americans abroad in 2004 turned into a "colossal failure," said Louis Kincannon, a former Census Bureau director under President Bill Clinton.

Few Americans responded to an outreach program in three sample countries — Mexico, France and Kuwait.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 2010census; census; discrimination; impeachobama; missionaries; missionary; obama; utah
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1 posted on 08/16/2009 8:33:36 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

You can count illegals.
You can count the homeless using “estimates”.
You can not count Utah’s citizens who are out of state doing good works....sigh


2 posted on 08/16/2009 8:35:33 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Steelfish

I’m sure the ACORN types would choose to overlook the missionaries even if they were all home.


3 posted on 08/16/2009 8:36:19 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Steelfish
An experiment in counting Americans abroad in 2004 turned into a "colossal failure," said Louis Kincannon

Oh Ok...Liberals believe they can change the earths climate but they cant accurately count overseas missionary's. Gotcha.

4 posted on 08/16/2009 8:36:25 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Steelfish

They could bring the missionaries home for the census.

I am not sure teaching the fairy tales of the convicted fraud, Joseph Smith counts as good works.


5 posted on 08/16/2009 8:37:54 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: icwhatudo

Why not lie a little? I’m sure Acorn is going to count any family member who may be in another state temporarily. So when the form comes..add in the kids who are out there on mission and the kids who are in the military. etc. Why not?


6 posted on 08/16/2009 8:38:00 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Steelfish

Can these people be any more transparent?


7 posted on 08/16/2009 8:38:23 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Boehner Baby!!!)
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To: icwhatudo

Doesn’t matter who else they count or don’t count since they have decided to count the illegals.
The only thing for citizens to do is to undercount themselves to make up for the 30-40 million illegals here.
I plan on making my census ‘very intersting’. lol


8 posted on 08/16/2009 8:39:11 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Steelfish

“there’s no way to reliably count those overseas in 2010”

Airplane tickets there would be a way.


9 posted on 08/16/2009 8:39:41 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: mylife
Oh Ok...Liberals believe they can change the earths climate but they cant accurately count overseas missionary's. Gotcha.

Bingo!
Well Said!

10 posted on 08/16/2009 8:39:55 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: icwhatudo

Something completely upside down in that thinking.
Not counting military will be next.


11 posted on 08/16/2009 8:41:02 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: Steelfish

I wonder if they count Americans who are serving overseas in the Peace Corps?


12 posted on 08/16/2009 8:41:23 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Fiddlstix

These pinheads piss me off.


13 posted on 08/16/2009 8:41:25 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Steelfish

There goes Mayor Ray Nagin’s plan to have Katrina refugees counted as still living in New Orleans.


14 posted on 08/16/2009 8:41:29 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Jump You F**kers!)
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To: Fiddlstix

Double Bingo!


15 posted on 08/16/2009 8:42:00 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: Oldexpat

I say we citizens need to undercount ourselves to make up for the illegals they plan on counting.
They say California has 6 million illegals, do you know how many more reps that will add for them?
Do people that live elsewhere really want California to have that many reps?
Conservatives need to really think about how they are going to fill out their census forms.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 8:42:58 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Steelfish

Can bet every illegal in Utah will be counted though.


17 posted on 08/16/2009 8:43:02 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: jer33 3

Ping.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317642/posts


18 posted on 08/16/2009 8:44:01 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: mylife

That makes two of us for sure!


19 posted on 08/16/2009 8:44:13 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Steelfish

Then don’t count me.

Don’t count any military.


20 posted on 08/16/2009 8:44:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Live free or die.)
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To: Steelfish
"Utah Told It Can’t Count Missionaries In Census"

And so what is the Missionary Position?

21 posted on 08/16/2009 8:44:56 PM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: Steelfish

bftal


22 posted on 08/16/2009 8:44:58 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Fiddlstix

The “experts” never cease to amaze me L0L


23 posted on 08/16/2009 8:45:38 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Enterprise

Hmmmm.....


24 posted on 08/16/2009 8:46:16 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: icwhatudo

What idiots. Of course they can count them. Acorn counts dead people and makes up people all of the time. Why not count real people who should be counted?


25 posted on 08/16/2009 8:47:53 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: icwhatudo

Utah should count them anyway. They are legitmate.


26 posted on 08/16/2009 8:48:54 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Steelfish

When I cut through all of my personal feelings about the LDS Church and Mormonism and look at the issue on its merits, I come to a conclusion.

Utah is right and Washington DC is wrong as usual.


27 posted on 08/16/2009 8:49:55 PM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan)
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To: Steelfish
Few Americans responded to an outreach program in three sample countries — Mexico, France and Kuwait.

That is the choice of the individual (assuming they actually received the "memo"...).

And while I may not agree with Mormonism, this shouldn't be about religion. This is about counting citizens of a state (and illegals should NOT count in any way but how many busses and planes are needed (or train cars?) to sent them back to their country of origin.

28 posted on 08/16/2009 8:50:33 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: mylife; machogirl
LOL! Me too

Seems like we've created our own "Bingo" parlor here. lol

29 posted on 08/16/2009 8:51:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: sheana
They say California has 6 million illegals, do you know how many more reps that will add for them?

And that right there is the whole issue - how come illegals get representation in OUR government? Heck, as bad as those from my home state are, I feel like I am not represented - and I am a CITIZEN!!!!

30 posted on 08/16/2009 8:52:38 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Fiddlstix
Careful, If Obama finds out we are playing Bingo he will want a cut of the winnings! ☺
31 posted on 08/16/2009 8:53:09 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: TheBattman

I agree, must as LDS beliefs are anathema to my intellect, - wouldn’t the US embassies in these foreign countries know or their consular offices in the US?


32 posted on 08/16/2009 8:53:33 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Fine. If they won't count these missionaries so that they can receive their lawfully entitled congressional representation, then those missionaries should be free to skip paying taxes on income they earn.

On that note, I am sure the IRS has zero trouble finding anyone who owes any US federal tax, regardless of where in the world said person may live.

33 posted on 08/16/2009 8:55:14 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Steelfish
But these same marxists will count the illegals for their own purposes.

They keep prodding the stirring giant that is awakening...and there's going to be some major blow back...starting in 2010.


OBAMA'S BRIDGE TOO FAR


THE STORM UNLEASHED ON AMERICA

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

34 posted on 08/16/2009 8:56:52 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: pnh102
I am sure the IRS has zero trouble finding anyone who owes any US federal tax, regardless of where in the world said person may live.

BINGO!

35 posted on 08/16/2009 8:57:32 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Jeff Head

There is some major blow back now, and they are to arrogant to stop.


36 posted on 08/16/2009 8:58:54 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Steelfish

don’t count missionaries. Just all the illegals, ACORN grifters, homeless parasites (estimate) and the rest of the freak fest that are the democrat party.


37 posted on 08/16/2009 9:01:36 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: TheBattman
Heck, as bad as those from my home state are, I feel like I am not represented ...

You're not represented, that is why. Illegals in the USA have more rights, generally, than legal US citizens and residents:

If you tried to enroll in an out of state public college in some states, you would be expected to pay out of state tuition, not so for an illegal.

If you needed health care and could not pay for it, you'd get it, but then be hounded for the rest of your life to pay for it. Meanwhile, illegals clog our health care system to the brim and rarely pay for anything with no consequence at all.

If you tried enrolling your children in public schools, you'd be expected to provide proof that you live in the district in which you were enrolling. Illegals, even though they are not legal residents of any state, don't have to go through that hassle.

Your perception is reality my friend. Legal citizens get the short end of the stick from what is supposed to be our government.

38 posted on 08/16/2009 9:01:55 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: icwhatudo

If Utah was a Democrat state, they would be counted. Wonder what the former Governor now Ambassador to China thinks of this Administration he is now a part.


39 posted on 08/16/2009 9:02:20 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Fiddlstix

From LDS to Catholic Bingo, in one thread. ;)


40 posted on 08/16/2009 9:03:39 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: sheana

I got the long form which they will never figure out. I kept filling in the answer, crossing it out, drawing arrows to the real answer, crossing that out, drawing another arrow, etc. Only thing I answered without looking like a first grader did it was the first questions about how many lived in the house. The rest I would hate to have to figure out.


41 posted on 08/16/2009 9:04:44 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: machogirl; mylife

Yes! We are an eclectic lot are we not? lol


42 posted on 08/16/2009 9:06:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PhiKapMom

LOL!!!!!!!!


43 posted on 08/16/2009 9:06:45 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: Fiddlstix

That would be an understatement! But, we have a common lineage in truth and freedom.


44 posted on 08/16/2009 9:08:33 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife
Hear! Hear!

Go Ahead: Click It!

45 posted on 08/16/2009 9:11:11 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix

Yep, I got those LDS relatives and I’m Catholic.
Grandparents went from Catholic and Methodist to Unitarian.
I went to church as a kid at a lost of different denominations.


46 posted on 08/16/2009 9:11:24 PM PDT by machogirl (If Obama's handing out Pie, I like Lemon Meringue.)
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To: Fiddlstix
Thank You...Thank You Very Mush... ☺
47 posted on 08/16/2009 9:13:10 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Brad's Gramma

That was the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw Utah. :)


48 posted on 08/16/2009 9:13:18 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Ya done good!


49 posted on 08/16/2009 9:15:43 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: Steelfish

In the year 2000, Algore spearheaded an effort in Florida to disallow votes by military personnel voting from overseas. He said the envelopes lacked proof of date, i.e., postmarks. Military personnel serving in war zones can send mail to the U.S. which doesn’t require the normal post office processing - Gore tried to use this technicality since he assumed (probably rightly) that military personnel were heavily against him.


50 posted on 08/16/2009 9:18:51 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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