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Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist
Examiner.com ^ | 8-18-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 08/18/2009 7:46:39 AM PDT by Danae

In a study sure to ruffle the feathers of the Global Warming cabal, Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT has published a paper which proves that IPCC models are overstating by 6 times, the relevance of CO2 in Earth’s Atmosphere. Dr. Lindzen has found that heat is radiated out in to space at a far higher rate than any modeling system to date can account for.

Editorial: The science is in. the scare is out. Recent papers and data give a complete picture of why the UN is wrong.

The pdf file located at the link above from the Science and Public Policy Institute has absolutely, convincingly, and irrefutably proven the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming to be completely false.

Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT’s peer reviewed work states “we now know that the effect of CO2 on temperature is small, we know why it is small, and we know that it is having very little effect on the climate.”

"The global surface temperature record, which we update and publish every month, has shown no statistically-significant “global warming” for almost 15 years. Statistically-significant global cooling has now persisted for very nearly eight years. Even a strong el Nino – expected in the coming months – will be unlikely to reverse the cooling trend.

More significantly, the ARGO bathythermographs deployed throughout the world’s oceans since 2003 show that the top 400 fathoms of the oceans, where it is agreed between all parties that at least 80% of all heat caused by man made “global warming” must accumulate, have been cooling over the past six years. That now prolonged ocean cooling is fatal to the “official” theory that “global warming” will happen on anything other than a minute scale." - SPPI

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antigoracle; capntrade; catastrophism; climate; co2; globalwarming
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A lot more at link with graphs.
1 posted on 08/18/2009 7:46:39 AM PDT by Danae
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To: Danae

But the TV said we only have 4 months to save the planet...


2 posted on 08/18/2009 7:48:53 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

Hehe. Oops, that retraction is gonna hurt...

Seriously though, the Satellite data completely disproves the entire argument.

The Global Warming Cabal should be TOAST after this. Now its just a matter of getting the word out! Once the public knows what is in this study and what the results mean, yea. Put a fork in it! It is DONE!

You can hit that one.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 7:51:03 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

"Unbeliever!!!!"


4 posted on 08/18/2009 7:51:26 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: Danae

Global warming is old pagan religion.

It will die a slow death.

And liberals will deny ever being supporters. Just watch.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 7:52:31 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: Danae

Obviously, this is clearly Bush’s fault.


6 posted on 08/18/2009 7:52:39 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: GourmetDan
But the TV said we only have 4 months to save the planet...

Not true, if Al Gore's team of scientists can create machines that will turn all this bad Carbon into pencil lead. The only hang-up they are facing is how to encase the pencil lead in a eco-neutral device that is comfortable to hold and write with...

7 posted on 08/18/2009 7:53:10 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Danae

Carbon Dioxide...the most harmless substance in the universe.

It makes trees grow!!! The greens should be pushing for greater Carbon Dioxide production!


8 posted on 08/18/2009 7:55:23 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: All

Marked for reference.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 7:55:26 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Government can’t make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise"...Sarah Palin)
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To: Danae; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; SideoutFred; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.


CØ2 now, eh?
10 posted on 08/18/2009 7:55:55 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GourmetDan

What? Not “Five Years”?


11 posted on 08/18/2009 7:56:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: COBOL2Java

Just call me Ur-Lord Thomas Covenant!

LOL


12 posted on 08/18/2009 7:56:10 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae
"Dr. Lindzen has found that heat is radiated out in to space at a far higher rate than any modeling system to date can account for."

Thats what I've always said.

Try working up in the arctic and see how fast the heat of day vanishes as soon as the sun does. The ONLY thing that can trap a little heat is water vapor, clouds. Otherwise a clear arctic sky means a darned cold night. It's the one place on earth where it seems you can feel directly the coldness of space.

13 posted on 08/18/2009 7:57:42 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Danae

I thought that the Goreacle ominously intoned that “the debate is over.”


14 posted on 08/18/2009 7:58:12 AM PDT by kromike
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To: kromike

Four months to go and we’re dead.


15 posted on 08/18/2009 7:59:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Danae

Just so. Hopefully this is in time to derail the “Cap and Trade” monstrosity.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 8:00:01 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Dixie Yooper
The only hang-up they are facing is how to encase the pencil lead in a eco-neutral device that is comfortable to hold and write with...

The NOW hags suggest that there are 150 million potential male donors, just in the US alone....

17 posted on 08/18/2009 8:00:26 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: GourmetDan
But the TV said we only have 4 months to save the planet...

Doncha just love those sitcoms?

18 posted on 08/18/2009 8:00:59 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Danae

Thank you Dr. Lindzen for saving us from the Gorecle. In another posting on FR, Dr. Linszen made the same point I have been making for quite some time.

Global warming is the next internet bubble, the next sub-prime mortgage scheme. It is pseudo science being used by the likes of Goldman Sachs to ‘sell’ the public ‘carbon credits’ and thus enrich themselves in the process.

One should ask why Al Gore waited until he was not Vice President to become a crusader for global warming? Why was he not pounding his fist that the uSA pass the Kyoto Treaty when Bill C was POTUS?

Enron was meeting with Clinton i nthe White House to pass Kyoto. The Enron boys had the carbon credit scam down way before Wall St and Goldman Suchs figured out that you could con people into buying air which cost nothing and results in 100% profit. People should ask if Enron was taken down by the powers that be just because they stood in Wall Sts way on the carbon credit scheme.

The damage Enron caused our economy through their energy games is like a shoplifter at the local 7/11 compared to what Wall St did with the mortgage mess. Yet, the Enron boys are dead or in jail, and the Wall St boys have been bailed out and Goldman Will give BILLIONS in bonus payments this year.

Lindzen has exposed the corrupt Wall St boys and the fallacy of their UN socialist AGW baloney. Will the public listen and punish Goldman and the boys? I doubt it since when they leave Goldman they become Gov’s (Corzine), or work for Obama (Summers, et al)


19 posted on 08/18/2009 8:02:55 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: Nathan Zachary

Yep, thats what I have always observed as well. Clear cloudless nights are usually colder, unless local weather has specific conditions which keep it warm, Air inversions for example. Weather is not Climate however, and that is something the Warmers just get their little beans wrapped around.

The water vapor clouds keep things warm at the surface, and at high elevations they are part of the mechanism of Infra Red heat being released into space. Al Gore is... dead wrong, this proves it.

HAPPY DANCE!


20 posted on 08/18/2009 8:04:37 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: kromike

D’oh!


21 posted on 08/18/2009 8:04:57 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I think the were telling the truth, 4 months to do anything with this Carbon Tax before the public finds out it is a complete farce!

They won’t be able to pass cap and trade with this information in the public, and this should be Headline news!


22 posted on 08/18/2009 8:06:05 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

another bookmark to add to the other one.
FReerepublic is full of good ones this morning.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 8:07:06 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Danae
If Ike Skelton (D) 4th District, Missouri, would come out from under his bed, I’d let him know.
24 posted on 08/18/2009 8:09:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Danae
Go Richard... this guy was the first to call Al Gore's global warming ---> hogwash!!

Best part... he's got the facts to back up his statements.

25 posted on 08/18/2009 8:10:18 AM PDT by xtinct (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xtinct

God bless the man!

I feel sorry for the European Nations that bought into this crap of Cap n Tax, they just slaughtered their own Economies for literally nothing.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 8:13:33 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

Miklós Zágoni, ex-NASA, was involved in this paper. While at NASA he found and corrected a basic error with the CO2 heat absorption equations. Basic calculus. NASA refused to release his work and he resigned in protest.

I remember when this hit the blogs and Drudge and was amazed at the hypocrisy of NASA giving politicized scientists like Hansen a platform to complain about being muzzled by Pres. Bush and then spiking this in house.

Here’s a link to an article about it:
Researcher: Basic Greenhouse Equations “Totally Wrong”
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2018


27 posted on 08/18/2009 8:13:55 AM PDT by Bonneville
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To: FairWitness

The more people know about this, the less likely the Senate will be to take it up.

Get the word out! send it to everyone and anyone! I don’t know if the MSM will carry the story or not, but we have to try and get it into the public consciousness.
Besides, its a GREAT thing to hammer away on the Dims for during an election cycle.... muahahahahahahaha! They tried to pull a flat out HOAX on us! They should politically fry for it!


28 posted on 08/18/2009 8:15:59 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Bonneville

Yep! I have been in contact with him, he gave me a lot of research, and man it was some heavy reading, but I understand Radiative theory now! WOO HOO! Just don’t ask me to do the math!


29 posted on 08/18/2009 8:17:34 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: milwguy

By all rights, there should be Trials held on this, and across several Nations, these inglorious bastards are guilty of perpetrating a hoax on a global scale.

Trials... judges and juries, and JAIL TIME.

Not holding my breath, but thats what should happen.


30 posted on 08/18/2009 8:20:09 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae
Another nail in the coffin of Global Warming is the observed temperature change from 1980, which is observed to be 1.5 degrees C.

Dianna made a goof. This should say the rate of temperature change is 1.5 degrees C per century. The temp on the graph clearly did not rise 1.5 degrees C in 29 years.

Many people do not understand the concept of 'rate of change.'

31 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:33 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

You are 100% correct!


32 posted on 08/18/2009 8:34:30 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

I just sent the article to Bob Golic at WNIR, Kent, and to Triv at WTAM, Cleveland.


33 posted on 08/18/2009 8:38:16 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Let’s hope that it gets a lot of attention before Congress goes to take the matter up again!


34 posted on 08/18/2009 8:50:37 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

Bump to that.


35 posted on 08/18/2009 8:54:26 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Danae
This report from a scientist from MIT could not have come at a better time when most Americans are seeing Obama's and the Liberal's policies failing.

ObamaCare = Failed ..
People might take a 2nd look and ask " what else have they lied to us about "
36 posted on 08/18/2009 8:58:12 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Danae

All the climate institutes with their bloated staffs will attack these findings. If they accepted it, they would have to go out of business.


37 posted on 08/18/2009 9:00:16 AM PDT by mombi
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To: GourmetDan
But the tv said we only have four months to save the planet...

We only have four months before the lies are found out.

38 posted on 08/18/2009 9:02:28 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
" Otherwise a clear arctic sky means a darned cold night. It's the one place on earth where it seems you can feel directly the coldness of space "

Or when you go out and get in your car on a very very cold winters day, open the door, sit down, close the door, and feel the bone chill go right to your soul.
There have been times that I sat there waiting for the car to warm up and felt the chill go right to my soul.
39 posted on 08/18/2009 9:02:54 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Danae

Shhhh, don’t tell Al Gore.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 9:05:18 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: mombi

I agree, thats why it’s imperative that we get this news out to the world! Knowledge is power, and facts are really hard to argue with. It takes only a little education of the public to make it clear as a bell that Global warming is not only a lie, the climate is cooling, but also that CO2 has nothing to do with climate at all.


41 posted on 08/18/2009 9:10:34 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: PureSolace

LOL I won’t tell him, I will whack him upside the head with it though (figuratively speaking). Gore is a bald faced liar.


42 posted on 08/18/2009 9:12:03 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae

I heard a great illustration, one I use for global warming debates with people who think they are so smart and nuanced.

Take an Olympic sized swimming pool, one that Phelps won all those medals in, take the temperature of the water. Now pretend that is the whole atmosphere. Take a common ordinary eyedropper, take about 10 of them. Fill them with boiling water. Now squirt all ten in the pool, wait about 10 seconds and take the temperature of the pool, do you think the temp went up? Well those 10 eyedroppers are ALL the Co2 us humans generate through respiration, automobiles, industry, burning leaves,etc. Do you think taking away those 10 eyedroppers of water away will lower the temp of the pool water? See how dumb your argument is. Always gets them irrational or elicits a smile and the light bulb goes on. Those ratios are exactly what we are talking about. Hyperbole and deception falls flat in the face of real science.


43 posted on 08/18/2009 9:23:47 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Danae

Ha! Lindzen calls Hanson’s predictions “rodomontade”

rodomontade or rhodomontade – 1 : a bragging speech 2 : vain boasting or bluster.


44 posted on 08/18/2009 9:27:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: Danae

45 posted on 08/18/2009 9:35:37 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: pburgh01

Oh that IS a good one! I will remember that!


46 posted on 08/18/2009 9:41:00 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

That should be the word of the day....


47 posted on 08/18/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Peter Horry

Poor Froggy!


48 posted on 08/18/2009 9:54:44 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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Bkmrk


49 posted on 08/18/2009 9:55:39 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Danae

Nice timing by Dr Lindzen. Perhpas I’ll send a copy of the paper to the SCOTUS where they still believe that CO2 is a pollutant.


50 posted on 08/18/2009 9:59:17 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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