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Obama Reaches Out to Religious on Immigration
newsmax.com ^ | 08.17, 2009 | newsmax

Posted on 08/18/2009 8:21:04 AM PDT by VU4G10

WASHINGTON -- The White House plans to host a discussion on immigration on Thursday with advocates, faith-based groups, businesses and law enforcement officials.

An administration official says that Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano will lead the discussion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting is not public.

Last week President Barack Obama said immigration reform is important but that other priorities such as his health care overhaul and financial regulation are going to come first.

Obama said he expects to see draft legislation for an immigration overhaul by the end of the year, with changing the system waiting until next year.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bho44; bhocira; bhoillegals; dhs; dncfalseprophets; envy; falseprophets; fubo; idolatry; immigrantlist; immigration; obama; religion; religiousleft

1 posted on 08/18/2009 8:21:05 AM PDT by VU4G10
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2 posted on 08/18/2009 8:22:10 AM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

Lame. Grasping at straws. Appeals to religion when it suits him. The religious should be wary of such given Barry’s ‘religious’ track record.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 8:22:33 AM PDT by cranked
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To: VU4G10

Ping for later


4 posted on 08/18/2009 8:22:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: cranked

bingo

and Janet, too?

(rolls eyes)


5 posted on 08/18/2009 8:24:07 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: VU4G10

The hits keep coming!


6 posted on 08/18/2009 8:24:21 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: VU4G10
I wish the Catholic Church would criticize Mexico for its horrible civil rights record, concerning non-Mexicans in Mexico.
You can't really own property or a business in Mexico, if you are not a Mexican.
Mexico deports non-Mexicans with some regularity, as they have every right to do.
However, the left never tell us these things when they bash America for any type of enforcement action.
7 posted on 08/18/2009 8:25:47 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: VU4G10

Obama...bitterly clinging


8 posted on 08/18/2009 8:26:22 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: F15Eagle; All

Mike Cutler weighs in:

Hi Gang:
The news article I have attached below appeared on a number of websites and originated on the FAIR website today and was forwarded to me by a friend who held a high-ranking position on Capitol Hill.

As I am all but certain, you know that FAIR is the Federation of American Immigration Reform.

As you read the article I want you to consider my “take” on this issue.

Let me start out by telling you that I am unashamedly in favor of having our nation enforce its immigration laws and secure its borders against those who would circumvent the vital inspections process by which our CBP (Customs and Border Protection) inspectors are supposed to keep out aliens whose presence in our country would be a violation of our laws and would have a deleterious impact on our nation and/or our citizens.

I also want you to know that I am absolutely outraged that there is virtually no integrity to the “system” by which our nation adjudicates applications for a wide variety of immigration benefits for aliens including according them lawful resident status and even United States citizenship.

Simply stated, I believe that the folks who are paid by our government to enforce and administer the immigration laws do so in an effective, efficient and civil manner.

As I am also certain you most probably know, for 30 years I worked for the former INS, first as an immigration inspector and then for about a one year stint, as an examiner or, “adjudicator” as that position is now referred to. I adjudicated applications for residency for aliens who were married to United States citizens or resident aliens (lawful immigrants).

I spent the balance of my career as an INS special agent enforcing the immigration laws, investigating and arresting aliens and others who had violated the immigration laws of our nation. I rotated through virtually every squad in the investigations branch of the INS at New York.

Yet, apparently today, DHS (Department of Homeland Security) and the Secretary of DHS would love to categorize me as being an “extremist” simply because I want our nation to secure its borders against illegal immigration and smuggling activities and want the immigration bureaucracy to possess real integrity.

They would also love to similarly brand returning soldiers with a similar label along with God only knows how many other Americans who believe in having our nation’s borders secured.

There is a radio talk show host by the name of Terry Anderson with whom I have had the privilege of sharing the podium at a number of speaking engagements around our nation. He has a wonderful expression and even hands out bumper stickers with his exclamation:

“If You Ain’t Mad- You Ain’t Paying Attention!”

I have been paying attention for many years and boy am I mad!

I recall when the DHS first made its outrageous claims that they referred to those of us who were concerned about our nation’s porous borders and its incompetent efforts to create an immigration bureaucracy that possessed even a modicum of integrity as being “single issue” advocates.

Here is the point: immigration is not a single issue but is the major aspect of almost every serious challenge confronting our nation today! Our nation’s nonfeasant, misfeasant and malfeasant immigration bureaucracy and our nation’s utter failure to secure its borders impacts everything from national security, criminal justice, the economy, the environment, health care and education- to name the most prominent of those challenges.

The 9/11 Commission, to which, incidentally, I provided testimony, found that immigration fraud and our broken immigration system contributed greatly to our nation’s vulnerability on September 11, 2001.

Yet, when citizens of our nation speak out demanding that our nation finally do what is in the best interests of our nation and our citizens, Ms Napolitano would be among the first in line to brand those citizens who are exercising their First Amendment rights as extremists.

Napolitano is not alone in playing the “name game.”

Nancy Pelosi has stated that when ICE agents arrest illegal aliens they are acting in a terrorist fashion against the people (illegal aliens) they arrest. Incredibly she made that statement on October 29, 2003 in Mexico City- the capital of the country that sends our nation the greatest number of illegal aliens!

What is more than just a bit disturbing is that Janet Napolitano, as the Secretary of Homeland Security is in charge of the agencies that are charged with securing our nation’s borders and providing integrity to the immigration bureaucracy.

Apparently she believes that anyone who expects her and her minions to actually do their jobs effectively are to be considered “Extremists!”

WOW!

That really takes my breath away!

Would she consider anyone who expected the DEA to get the drugs off the streets of our towns and cities to be an “extremist?”

How about demanding that the EPA go after those who pollute- what would she call such people?

Why then is she quick to brand those who expect her to live up to her oath of office to be extremists?

Imagine being a soldier who returns to the United States after a tour of duty in harm’s way being told that he is suspicious to our government for having gone in harm’s way at the behest of the very government who sent him (her) overseas at great personal risk!

What is disturbing to me is what actions, perhaps, Ms Napolitano might have wanted to implement against those who are viewed as extremists. In many ways, the DHS can wield more power than even the FBI. The DHS, through the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) has the authority to deny an individual the ability to board a commercial airliner.

The sort of hostility voiced by high ranking members of the government is of great concern to me and should be to all Americans!

What is of even greater concern are the “sources” used by DHS in preparing its report.

Certainly their are a relative handful of those who are xenophobic and simply do not want our nation to admit aliens. I can, however tell you that in my extensive travels around our nation to participate in various speaking events- just about everyone I have spoken with is not opposed to lawful immigration but are absolutely opposed to illegal immigration. As I generally state at the end of my commentaries- immigration is not a “Liberal” issue, nor is it a “Conservative” issue- immigration and border security are American issues!

The issue of immigration law enforcement is clearly not the “litmus test” to determine whether or not someone is an extremist, but it is being used by our government as a means of vilifying those who are willing to take a stand on this critical issue. Every pole that is taken makes it clear that the vast majority of Americans want our borders secured and want the immigration bureaucracy to be effective at weeding out fraud.

Latest poles also show that the great majority of Americans want lawful immigration levels greatly reduced. This is not about extremism, racism or xenophobia- it is about common sense. It would be absurd for a family to invite guests to the dinner table if their own kids were going to sleep hungry at night. Today mortgage foreclosures are rising along with filings for bankruptcy. For an increasing number of Americans, the American dream is just that- a dream- an increasingly unattainable dream!

It makes no sense to permit the United States to go the way that California has gone! California should be thought of as the canary in the mine. The massive influx of illegal aliens into that beleaguered state has bankrupted its economy. Furthermore, if the point to the Economic Stimulus Package was to pour billions of dollars into the American economy to prime the economic pump, what sense does it make to watch more than a hundred billion dollars per year get wired or otherwise transmitted from the United States to countries around the globe by foreign workers, legal and illegal, working at jobs that Americans would do for a living wage?

The health of our country needs to be measure by more than the Dow Jones Average! America can not be really doing well if the average American is not doing well!

On a personal note, I am a lifelong registered Democrat. As I have jokingly noted at a number of my speaking events, the closest I come to being a “skin head” is my growing bald patch on the back of my head that I have come to refer to as my “flesh colored yarmulka!”

Of course now there is an effort underway to backpedal on the name calling engaged in by our “leaders” but the point is that damage has already been done!

The issue for our politicians is that they do not want the citizens of our country to get in the way of their plans. In some ways, we have ourselves to blame for this deplorable situation. My dad used to tell me that I would teach people how they should treat me. He told me that if made it clear that I would accept unfair treatment that those around me would be quick to exploit my acquiescence. That is why first impressions are so important!

For far too many years, the average American has failed to be involved in the political process. Sporting events are far more exciting than listening to a Congressional hearing or reading through testimony and legislative bills. However, it is of extreme importance for the citizens of our nation to stand up and be heard!

Of course when people speak out at town hall meetings, they are often branded as extremists- there is that word again! However, We the People must stand up and be clear about what we expect of our government!

I will also offer you a suggestion.

I am a fan of Lou Dobbs- I have been on his program many, many times and he was one of the very first journalists to discuss our nation’s immigration crisis. However, I disagree with Lou on an important point. He has said that we should declare our “independence” and not be affiliated with either major party.

I have a very different suggestion. Especially when you consider that neither party represents the “average” American.

The collective failure of We the People to get involved in make our concerns known to our politicians have nearly made the concerns of the great majority of the citizens of this nation all but irrelevant to the politicians.

I implore you to get involved!

If this situation concerns you or especially if it angers you, I ask you to call your Senators and Congressional “Representative. This is not only your right- it is your obligation! You need to politely but pointedly, demand to know what they are doing to protect our nation. You need to ask them how they are protecting you and your families. You can also forward this commentary to them.

All I ask is that you make it clear to our politicians that we are not as dumb as they hope we are!

We live in a perilous world and in a perilous era. The survival of our nation and the lives of our citizens hang in the balance

This is neither a Conservative issue, nor is it a Liberal issue- simply stated, this is most certainly an AMERICAN issue!

You are either part of the solution or you are a part of the problem!

Democracy is not a spectator sport!

Lead, follow or get out of the way!

-michael cutler-


9 posted on 08/18/2009 8:28:35 AM PDT by AuntB (Tired of D & R globalist power brokers? How 'bout HEARTLAND AMERICA PARTY? It's a state of mind!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


10 posted on 08/18/2009 8:34:19 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Kansas58

Mexico’s largest export to the US isn’t oil, it’s Poverty. Maybe Mexico should use some of that oil money and build schools so that 3/5’s of it’s population have a high school education.


11 posted on 08/18/2009 8:37:01 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: VU4G10

My religion tells me to love all mankind, but it also says to obey the laws of the land as established. I have nothing against people from Mexico, I have an aunt whose from Mexico, but the laws of my land (USA) state that if you cross into this country illegally, you are an ILLEGAL and must be deported.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 8:44:39 AM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: VU4G10

13 posted on 08/18/2009 8:46:17 AM PDT by maggief
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To: massgopguy

God told us La Raza and MS 13 should destroy your country as quickly as possible, let them all in.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 8:47:30 AM PDT by redstateconfidential ("They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze.")
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To: VU4G10
"the meeting is not public"

What a surprise! /s


If Obama thinks he is catching hell on health care wait until he tries to 'reform' immigration!

15 posted on 08/18/2009 8:48:27 AM PDT by kcvl
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Illegals get endless freebies and are contributing to America going bankrupt and electing marxists.

Keep fighting against DeathCare, Cap & Tax and Amnesty.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 8:52:57 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: VU4G10
"The White House plans to host a discussion on immigration on Thursday with advocates, faith-based groups, businesses and law enforcement officials.
An administration official says that Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano will lead the discussion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting is not public. "

Why are such meetings off limits to the public?

Every one of the 57 states makes fabulous claims as to how transparent they are in their dealings in government meetings, open record laws, Sunshine laws, etc.

Yet here, in the White House, Janet N is meeting with advocates, faith-based groups, and businesses all on her very own?
I understand excluding meetings for security (law enforcement, military, CIA, etc. ) but advocates and business people? Oh, I get it, raising hand: it's under the guise of Homeland Security.

Give me a break. This is exactly how we get crap policies enacted. No public input. Or, more accurately, the illusion of public input after the fact.

Transparency indeed.

17 posted on 08/18/2009 8:55:02 AM PDT by Sparko ("My name is Barack Obama. I love to hear myself speak. Tune in and drop all independent thought.")
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18 posted on 08/18/2009 8:55:04 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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Re #2: Why are you superimposing my face on that DJs body? My face is too large for that small body, so you aint fooling anyone!


19 posted on 08/18/2009 8:57:17 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: kcvl; stephenjohnbanker; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS; raybbr; Guenevere; 3AngelaD; ...
If Obama thinks he is catching hell on health care wait until he tries to 'reform' immigration!

The healthcare townhalls will look like prayer meetings by comparison.

Bozo exists in a Democrat power vacuum. He needs those illegal votes more than ever.......... now that he flopped on healthcare.

He made a HUGE mistake w/ Senora Soto---polluting our USSC with an avowed Third World racist.

Americans will not tolerate another amnesty move.

The last two amnesty flops left lawmakers with tire tracks on their backs. This time they are looking at political quicksand.

20 posted on 08/18/2009 9:03:08 AM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: Kansas58
I lived in a rectory in Chicago several years ago. The priests that lived there were against Islamic immigration to Europe (they were from Spain or the US), but thought that Mexican immigration was a "blessing" to the Church, and supported letting the illegals stay.

Catholics on this site may tell you otherwise, but there are many in the clergy and hierarchy who support the migration/invasion by folks from Mexico and Central America. You are lucky if you can find ONE priest who would speak against illegal immigration of folks from Latin America.

To be fair, however, the ELCA, ECUSA, and many independent evangelical churches are also big supporters of amnesty/open borders, particularly if the immigrants are at least culturally christian.

21 posted on 08/18/2009 9:05:24 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Kansas58
I wish the Catholic Church would criticize Mexico for its horrible civil rights record, concerning non-Mexicans in Mexico.

Considering the anti-clerical violence and outright banning of church activities during the first decade of the PRI regime, the Catholic Church has effectively been neutered as an anti-government entity.

Don't ever make the mistake of calling Mexico a "Catholic" country, particularly in terms of its politics. The government for many years was run by atheists/agnostics (Vicente Fox being the first openly Catholic president in decades when he was in power), and the 35% of the population that is culturally Amerindian practice a fusion of paganism and christianity.

22 posted on 08/18/2009 9:09:20 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: VU4G10

The Catholic church should lose their tax exempt status for supporting the illegals!


23 posted on 08/18/2009 9:11:15 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Clemenza

Points taken.
However, I was talking, mainly, about the clerics in the USA being rather stupid on these issues.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 9:12:13 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Liz

The people have found their voice!


25 posted on 08/18/2009 9:14:15 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: VU4G10
Satan wants Christians to support his overthrowing the borders?

Satan needs to resign as "Illegal-Immigrant-In-Chief," and go back to Kenya.

26 posted on 08/18/2009 9:16:10 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: dalereed
I agree. Any church that supports those who this blatantly break the laws and cause this much damage to our country should lose their tax exempt status. I bet if we start pushing this policy they MIGHT become a little less outspoken on supporting criminals and terrorists.
27 posted on 08/18/2009 9:17:36 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: Liz

” He made a HUGE mistake w/ Senora Soto-—polluting our USSC with an avowed Third World racist.

Americans will not tolerate another amnesty move. “

Especially with unemployment rising every day.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 9:37:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: VU4G10

sadly, the Catholic Church is filled with quislings eager to comply


29 posted on 08/18/2009 9:40:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Liz
Something I wasn't aware of....one of the groups VERY involved with the Tea Parties...Dick Armey's Freedom Works....is in FAVOR of a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY. Freedom Works is NOW on my "enemies" list!! From their website:

"The FreedomWorks Position A combined approach of a temporary worker and border security program is the obvious way forward for Congress and America. Proposals like the plan offered by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) recognize that we will not be able to effectively secure our borders unless we also address economic realities. By providing American employers and temporary guest workers a legal way to operate, we can eliminate the source of much of the current lawlessness at the border. Reducing the overall flow of illegal traffic at the border will allow law enforcement to focus on stopping criminal gangs and capturing terrorists.
"
Sounds just like Bush's "in order to secure our borders, we MUST have comprehensive immigration reform".

An invitation to join Mike Pence and K B Hutchinson (touchback AMNESTY schemers)

"Please join FreedomWorks Foundation for an important discussion of immigration reform that will focus on the need to balance both security and economic concerns. In particular, the forum will examine options for strengthening our borders while establishing procedures that provide law-abiding workers a legitimate path to the American workplace. In addition, the speakers will discuss opportunities to use the private sector and market forces to create a more efficient temporary worker program that creates a ready pool of labor while reducing incentives for illegal immigration."

"law-abiding workers"????? "legitimate path to the American workplace"????

"We propose a new program with a private sector component that can solve the most difficult part of the problem – making guest worker status quick enough and easy enough that the workers (including those already illegally in the U.S.) will take the steps and get documented. The active involvement of the illegals themselves will make the program work, and resolve one of our nation’s most serious security problems. And the alternatives are clearly not working. Unless illegals already in the U.S. believe obtaining guest worker status will be quick and certain, they simply cannot be expected to apply.

The basis of this solution is simple. Separate the guest workers and immigrants in the debate, and in the legal system, on two completely different and unrelated paths. And use the powerful incentives of the free market system to guarantee the success of the guest worker program. The results will be:

• A much simpler process for controlling the border because most of the problem won’t be there any more,

• An easy path for businesses to find the workers they need,

• A simple path for workers to get the jobs they need,

• A safer and more secure America."
30 posted on 08/18/2009 10:02:49 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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“Something I wasn’t aware of....one of the groups VERY involved with the Tea Parties...Dick Armey’s Freedom Works....is in FAVOR of a “path to citizenship” = AMNESTY. Freedom Works is NOW on my “enemies” list!! From their website:

“The FreedomWorks Position A combined approach of a temporary worker and border security program is the obvious way forward for Congress and America”

Thanks for mentioning that...these political hacks are always looking to climb on the most popular bandwagon at any given time. I’ll never forget a roundtable discussion on CSPAN, early 90’s with Dick Armey and Milton Friedman...who tried his best to tell Armey that NAFTA was NOT free trade, but ‘managed’ trade...Armey voted for it anyway.


31 posted on 08/18/2009 10:12:45 AM PDT by AuntB (Tired of D & R globalist power brokers? How 'bout HEARTLAND AMERICA PARTY? It's a state of mind!)
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To: VU4G10

32 posted on 08/18/2009 10:26:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Liz

Thanks for the ping, Liz.


33 posted on 08/18/2009 11:06:24 AM PDT by HollyB
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