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Twilight: Giving heed to fables
believersingrace.com ^ | May 25 2009 | Bill Randles

Posted on 08/18/2009 11:43:02 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles

Twilight - Giving heed to fables…

By: Pastor Bill Randles

Why “Twilight” is spiritually fatal, and what it shows us about the state of

Christian youth.

“…and they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:4)

If someone would have told me 25 years ago, that one day a popular series of “vampire romance” books would be accepted and promoted by evangelical ministries, I wouldn’t have been able to believe it. That’s why I was shocked to read this article by Christian documentarian and researcher, Caryl Matrisciana and Paul Villanueva, http://carylmatrisciana.com/x2/content/view/81/1/ which documents the glowing reviews of the occult book series by evangelical publications such as: Campus Life, Focus on the Family, Christianity Today, Christian Teen, and Christian Stay at Home Moms Magazine. All gave glowing testimonials, and some even suggested that the "Twilight” series could become the basis for Bible discussions and studies!

My purpose isn’t to merely echo Caryl Matrisciana and Paul Villanueva's excellent article, exposing the occult roots of this book series. Rather, I have a burden to show you why I believe that this literature could have a completely soul deadening effect on those who are fascinated by its dark vision.

First of all, consider what the ‘vampire’ myth really is - nothing less than an obscene parody of the precious gift of God - which is eternal life through the Son of God, Jesus Christ, and by the gift of His blood, offered to God for us. To God blood is sacred, those who drink it are an utter abomination to Him, because of what blood represents. We obtain eternal life by accepting in faith our share of the offering of the blood of Jesus, termed precious by God, ”…As of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (I Peter 1:19)

In the pagan myth, ‘vampires’ are those who obtain ‘immortality’ by sucking other’s blood. The ‘immortality’ they gain, is literally a damned existence. They live in the night, they cannot endure light, they feed on the blood of innocence. Far from just a harmless thrill, Vampirism is the basis for all sorts of pagan spiritualities. Blood drinking and blood sacrifice is an everyday reality among animists all over the world.

The vampire fable is nothing less than an all out assault on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Consider this, a young person can go to a theater on a Saturday evening and vicariously fall in love with a vampire, and his 'coven'(family), and then go to church on Sunday morning and partake of the Lord's supper. That same person on Saturday evening could conceivably root for a girl to forfeit her own mortal soul, to be the lover of a vampire, and the next morning go to church and eat the bread and drink the cup of eternal life! Can one eat at both the Lord's table and the table of demons? Did you know that this book series was 'given' to a Mormon woman in a dream, and that she was visited in a subsequent dream by the vampire figure?

“You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons, you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and the table of demons.” (I Cor 10:21)

Ah but Pastor it is only a movie! Lighten up! But this is more than a movie - it is a pagan myth which is a perversion of the only Gospel that can save us. The movie presents vampires as being attractive, in fact so attractive that the young lady in the story is willing to become a vampire to be with her lover. In order to be with her vampire lover, she submits to being an eternally damned soul! This movie skillfully plays on the emotions in such a way that the viewer pulls for the mortal young woman to be with her “lover”, a 110-year-old vampire in the form of an attractive and well-mannered teen.

What the popularity of this film, even among evangelical youth, says about the state of the church is that we have forgotten what we once knew very well. That is, you can’t fill your mind with all of this paganism without injuring your relationship with God. We used to know that it is very possible to “lose your soul”, to so jade ourselves by constant, undiscerning exposure to worldliness, that we render ourselves unable to pray, to hear the Word, or to live for God.

We once knew that to voluntarily expose ourselves to blasphemy and sexual sin - not to mention something as blatantly spiritual as Vampirism - was something to be shunned, avoided, that it was soul deadening, and injurious to our Christian walk.

Another thing the popularity of this movie shows us is the loss of the sense of the sacred among Christians. I believe in gospel liberty. We don’t need Christian guru’s telling us what books not to read and what movies to avoid, we have the Holy Spirit. On the other hand, Paul warned the Christians in Ephesus, to:

“Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11)

Where is the sense of the sacred? The idea of the sacred is that there are some things in life that are ‘other’, they are above us, they are not to be ‘profaned’, for they are above us. For example, marriage is sacred, so is sexuality, as well as life itself. The purity of children is to be held sacred, that is why there is a special warning to any who would cause them to stumble.

The Gospel itself is sacred. I believe that “Twilight” is a direct assault on the gospel, an obscene parody of the good news of salvation, the salvation we obtain by partaking of the precious blood of Jesus, offered as a sacrifice for us. Jesus is the one who has brought “life and immortality to light” through the Gospel. I don’t believe it is possible to read or enjoy “Twilight” without spiritual defilement.

Of course we must remember, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness…for the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sins.” (I John 1:7-9)

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1 posted on 08/18/2009 11:43:03 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

The wife an I vacationed in WA state last week and the signs and stuff around there were the first I had heard of this.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 11:46:47 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: pastorbillrandles

I am a little disturbed by the fact it’s getting good reviews for apparently some religious application, but I have to say, otherwise, I don’t have a problem with it.

Fantasy isn’t evil, and I grew up reading a series of fiction books on magic etc. Didn’t make me a witch, but at the same time, I would be rather disturbed if churches thought they would be good ways to teach Christ!


3 posted on 08/18/2009 11:46:58 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: pastorbillrandles

First, have you read the books?


4 posted on 08/18/2009 11:49:08 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: pastorbillrandles

Romance novels, no matter who the characters are, should not be read by tweens and teens.

They distort “love”.
Love is not huge explosions and tingling. Love is waking up to morning breath and dirty socks. Love is working with your spouse towards a common goal.

I won’t even let my girls read “Christian” love stories.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 11:49:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; pastorbillrandles

...or figured out that this is a VANITY... and not news/activism...


6 posted on 08/18/2009 11:50:32 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: rwfromkansas

So which house do you belong to at Hogwarts?


7 posted on 08/18/2009 11:50:58 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: rwfromkansas

I agree with your premise, fantasy is just that,fantasy. However attempting to derive spiritual truth from vampirism is itself a sign of the utter spiritual bankruptcy of much of contemporary evangelicalism.


8 posted on 08/18/2009 11:51:56 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

You could say the same about “Lord of the Rings” or “Beowulf”. Should we ban those as well?


9 posted on 08/18/2009 11:52:10 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: pastorbillrandles; All

How about this: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!


10 posted on 08/18/2009 11:53:10 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Twilight is the Lord of the Rings for girls and young women and I still don’t see why they are so fascinated by it.


11 posted on 08/18/2009 11:54:16 AM PDT by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
However attempting to derive spiritual truth from vampirism

Most people are just going to see a movie or read a book. I didn't dig twilight that much, but it didn't mess up my faith.
12 posted on 08/18/2009 11:54:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: pastorbillrandles

mark for later study


13 posted on 08/18/2009 11:54:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: pastorbillrandles

My daughter rented Twilight a few weeks ago. I saw about 45 minutes of it. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

Missing Bela Lugosi. Now THERE was someone who knew how to play a vampire.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 11:54:56 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: pastorbillrandles

1. I am a serious Christian.

2. I am not worried about books like this or Harry Potter or whatever, assuming one’s child is aware of the difference between fantasy and reality and a generally well-balanced person.

3. Fantasy stories (including science fiction) are useful for allegorical purposes. C.S. Lewis’s Narnia stories -— now classic Christian allegories -— are filled with witches, magic, and even a nasty vampire or two at the end. Obviously, like any secular tool, this can be used to a bad end (the Golden Compass, for example, which pushes atheism).

That’s why parents should read the books.

4. These books are generally moral, much like the Harry Potter books. Good vs. evil. That’s a good thing.

5. The one issue I have is that consorting with evil spirits is a real thing, and not to be toyed with. To the extent a child is silly or stupid and decides from reading Twilight books that it is “OK” to go piddle around with “real” witchcraft or paganism, that’s a bad thing. Again, this falls under the category of parents knowing their children. If a child is that stupid, it’s not the book’s fault, it’s the parent’s fault.


15 posted on 08/18/2009 11:57:23 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: stinkerpot65

I am not calling for the banning of anything. I am merely calling attention to the need for discernment among christians, and observing that The Vampire myth is an inversion of the christian gospel.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 11:58:42 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: netmilsmom

I figure I read them as a teen and turned out just fine. It’s important to realize (and for us as parents to teach) that fiction/fantasy is just that. Be it books, tv, movies, even the news ;)

As for Twilight, 3 of my kids have read the books and all have seen the first movie. I’ve also read the books and saw the first movie.


17 posted on 08/18/2009 11:59:23 AM PDT by Twink
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Good points, I am actually directing my comments to parents as well as to young readers.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 12:00:32 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

not entirely.


19 posted on 08/18/2009 12:02:41 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

I was adamantly against my 13-year old daughter reading this series and seeing this movie. After many of her Christian friends read the books and saw the movie, I spoke to their parents about it. I was told that I was being ridiculous about it because the girl in the book waits until she’s married to have sex and because there is some discussion in the book about whether or not these vampires have a soul. The book leads you to believe that by drinking only the blood of animals rather than humans that these vampires are “good” vampires and have a soul.

I caved and let her read the books. I regret not going with my gut. The Spirit was telling me no. I let other Christian parents convince me that I was being stupid.

If anyone else out there has second thoughts about letting their children read it, I recommend that you follow your first instinct and avoid the books and movie. If you have already caved, at least sit down and have a long discussion with your teen about the issues of sex before marriage, risking one’s soul to gain the earthly love of another, and the concept of “living forever” in a state separate from God.

You’ll thank me for it.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 12:03:24 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I don’t understand the phenomenon, probably because I’m older than 18. That said, reading the books hasn’t harmed my kids’ faith at all. They can tell the difference between fantasy fiction and reality. And they thought the movie was pretty lame.


21 posted on 08/18/2009 12:03:28 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Watch out, I'm a member of the Mob)
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To: pastorbillrandles

“and observing that The Vampire myth is an inversion of the christian gospel.”

It’s much older than that. It stems from the Noahadic and (in turn) Jewish prohibition against drinking “life blood.”

Essentially all cultures have a vampire myth of some kind.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 12:03:37 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: Twink

>>As for Twilight, 3 of my kids have read the books and all have seen the first movie. I’ve also read the books and saw the first movie.<<

Honestly, if one of my girls wanted to read them, I would plug and chug through them and then discuss after.

I heard from another mother that the sex scene from the first book was deleted by the author (an LDS) lady before publication. Is that true?

The guy also will not sleep with her until marriage, right? Something to be said for that.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 12:03:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

By christian gospel I mean everything from Genesis three on up to Calvary,ie salvation by substitutionary blood atonement. “To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood” Revelation 1:5


24 posted on 08/18/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: TheThirdRuffian

By christian gospel I mean everything from Genesis three on up to Calvary,ie salvation by substitutionary blood atonement. “To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood” Revelation 1:5


25 posted on 08/18/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Twink

>>I figure I read them as a teen and turned out just fine<<

Oh and I read those books as a teen and I didn’t turn out fine.
I looked for years for the “Perfect” guy. At 30 I realized there wasn’t one. Luckily at 34 my DH decided I was okay.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 12:06:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I strongly object to sparkling vampires.


27 posted on 08/18/2009 12:06:38 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

How is the “Vampire Myth” different from “Lord of the Rings” or “Superman” or “King Arthur”? Not saying you are wrong, just curious about your reasoning.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 12:08:07 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: netmilsmom

I make my husband watch those movies because I can’t find any interest at all to keep me watching.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 12:08:28 PM PDT by Twink
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To: pastorbillrandles
I can tell.

I have read the first book, and part of the second. This line that you have presented in your article:

The movie presents vampires as being attractive, in fact so attractive that the young lady in the story is willing to become a vampire to be with her lover. In order to be with her vampire lover, she submits to being an eternally damned soul!

is dealt with in the book. The young woman indeed does want to become a vampire, but her vampire boyfriend will not give her that "gift" because he doesn't want her to lose her soul.

While Bella is unaware of the serious eternal consequences of her desire, the vampire family that she becomes involved with are very aware and do not want that for her.

Did you know those facts?

30 posted on 08/18/2009 12:09:22 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: MikeWUSAF

I don’t see why they’re fascinated by it either...3 of mine really like the book series and the first movie. And one was also really into the LOTR book and movie series.


31 posted on 08/18/2009 12:10:22 PM PDT by Twink
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Thank you Buckeye, a timely warning. If you read the Matrisciana article I linked , you will see that the Author of these books is a Mormon who wrote them after a vivid dream of a vampire telling her the story. She says when she completed the first book, the ‘vampire’ visited her in her dreams, chiding her that she didn’t get the story quite right. In other words the books were written out of an occult experience.


32 posted on 08/18/2009 12:12:39 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Thanks Anitus, I was aware of those facts, and am also aware that she eventually takes the plunge. I also realize that this is mere fantasy.


33 posted on 08/18/2009 12:15:27 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

As an aside, lot of the “vampires” of the modern iterations of the myth are not anti-Christian, in that they don’t recoil from the sight of the Cross or burn when exposed to Holy Water, whatever.

More of a science-fiction mutant than a demon, so to speak.

It’s a subtle point, but very important.

The same was true in the Harry Potter books; when you got to the end of why they were “wizards,” it turns out they were genetic mutants and it looked like what we call magic.


34 posted on 08/18/2009 12:16:00 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Spiritually, I don’t know. From the point of view of male/female relationships, creepy. The author thinks stalking and obsession is romantic. If I had a daughter I would make sure to properly ridicule the novel. Another thing, Bella(the female protagonist) is only interested in Edward(vampire) because of his handsome face and hot body.

From a reviewer who said it better than me on amazon.com: “And that’s what bothers me the most about this book and the message that it sends to all of its rabid readers: the importance of beauty. Not inner beauty, either. Edward and his wonderful vampire family (all of whom are good because they don’t feed on humans) are described over and over again in all of their wonderful physical qualities. They’re cardboard characters for us to admire. Bella, of course, doesn’t think of herself as beautiful, but the fact that she has four other boys in addition to the vampire falling all over themselves to please her begs to differ. I was willing to forgive the beauty of the vampires as a trait they acquire when they’re turned, but a few others turn up later that are described as “nondescript” and ordinary-looking. And of course, they turn out to be the bad guys. Really, Stephanie Meyer?”


35 posted on 08/18/2009 12:17:40 PM PDT by Mister Fleas
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t know if the first book had a sex scene prior to publication and then deleted. The first book called Twilight does not have a sex scene nor does the movie. Breaking Dawn, the 4th book, they have sex but they’re married and the book isn’t descriptive as far as the sex scene goes.


36 posted on 08/18/2009 12:17:50 PM PDT by Twink
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To: TheThirdRuffian
4. These books are generally moral, much like the Harry Potter books. Good vs. evil. That’s a good thing.

Except who are the "good guys" and who are the "bad guys" in Twilight?

The vampires who drink human blood are bad.

The vampires who drink animal blood are good! Even the 110 year old vampire who preys upon an emotional teenaged wreck, sneaking into her house to watch her sleep, listening to her friends thoughts in order to spy on her, and taking her through this, "I could kill you Bella, I'm so dangerous Bella, but I just can't stop myself Bella!" nonsense.

Yeah, he's the good guy alright...

37 posted on 08/18/2009 12:17:56 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: Twink

Oh he must love you for that!


38 posted on 08/18/2009 12:18:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Dianna

Sounds like a fantastic allegory for an alcoholic who fights to rid himself of his condition.


39 posted on 08/18/2009 12:19:59 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
at least sit down and have a long discussion with your teen about the issues of sex before marriage, risking one’s soul to gain the earthly love of another, and the concept of “living forever” in a state separate from God.

If reading a book or seeing a movie results in a discussion like that, then it would appear to me to be a better experience then avoiding or preventing a kid from seeing it. A net positive, so to speak.
40 posted on 08/18/2009 12:20:54 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Twink

Thanks!


41 posted on 08/18/2009 12:20:55 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
The guy also will not sleep with her until marriage, right? Something to be said for that.

Oh, the 110 year old guy? LOL!

The religious/vampire/fantasy thing doesn't bother me in the slightest. But the "romance" here is frankly sick. I'm appalled that young girls find this type of exploitation of a damaged teenager by an older, very powerful man to be romantic.

42 posted on 08/18/2009 12:21:24 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: stinkerpot65

I don’t think being a fantasy myth, it is all that different from any of them, except that the central tenet of the Christian gospel, is that Jesus shed His blood for our sins, that by “eating his flesh and drinking His blood”( that is personal participation in His sacrafice for us, by faith), we recieve the gift of eternal Life.The vampire myth also promises a kind of a state of immortality, and that by drinking other people’s blood. it struck me that Vampirism is an obscene parody of the Christian gospel of blood atonement.


43 posted on 08/18/2009 12:21:24 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
While Bella is unaware of the serious eternal consequences of her desire, the vampire family that she becomes involved with are very aware and do not want that for her.

I think its wonderful that the family stands by the sicko, because they are all so nice, ya know?

It's not "sick" it's...destiny! (heavy sigh)

44 posted on 08/18/2009 12:23:37 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Most people miss the real point of all this. It is not that vampire stories are horrible in of themselves - it is that the modern ones now make the vampires, who were always damned satanic creatures, into sympathetic characters. The modern interpretation of the vampire myth turns evil into good. Not only is that an extremely misleading thing to do, but it really takes the power out of the stories. They used to be epic battles of good against evil, and now they’re all teen-angsty soap-opera BS.


45 posted on 08/18/2009 12:24:19 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: netmilsmom

LOL :) But you still turned out fine. And, I bet that your husband found his perfect wife.

I get what you’re saying and to a certain extent I agree concerning “finding the perfect guy” etc. I found “my” perfect guy during college. He’s not perfect and neither am I. We’ve been married almost 20 years.


46 posted on 08/18/2009 12:24:25 PM PDT by Twink
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Sounds like a fantastic allegory for an alcoholic who fights to rid himself of his condition.

In the last book, he marries the booze and they live happily ever after.

47 posted on 08/18/2009 12:25:57 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: netmilsmom

LMAO! Hey, he’s gotta take part in some of this stuff, too ;) Actually, he’s entertained by the Harry Potter books and movies. More so than Twilight...especially the movie. When we watched, he couldn’t stop cracking jokes when he wasn’t falling asleep.


48 posted on 08/18/2009 12:28:20 PM PDT by Twink
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To: pastorbillrandles

I’m not saying I disagree with you, by the way, I just am very uneasy about people who have not read something that they are criticizing.

Like people who criticized the Harry Potter series by saying the books claimed

“There is no good or evil, only power”

when it was the villain who said that and the sentiment was rejected by the protagonist over and over.

That kind of out of context statement drives a stake (pardon the expression) through the heart of the argument.

The Twilight series is pure teenage girl angst. It isn’t a particularly well written book, it has many moral slippery slopes, but it is very difficult to take a serious moral stand against it without a good working knowledge of it.

Just like magic in many fantasy books, vampirism is used a storytelling tool in the series. It has it’s own rules and internal consistancies. The moral lessons are set upon the foundation of rules that the writer constructs, and while in real life vampirism is evil, it is used as a neutral construct for telling the story.


49 posted on 08/18/2009 12:29:22 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Dianna

I call Bella an insipid little twit. I LOL’d while reading some of the passages in the books. My kids did too.

And the guy, lead character, may be 110 yrs old but he looks like a teen boy.


50 posted on 08/18/2009 12:31:15 PM PDT by Twink
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