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Attorney: FBI trained NJ blogger to incite others: Informant on Radical Right [Hal Turner]
ap ^ | KATIE NELSON

Posted on 08/18/2009 1:36:41 PM PDT by Casaubon

"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: fbi; halturner
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1 posted on 08/18/2009 1:36:41 PM PDT by Casaubon
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To: Casaubon

Wonder what his FReeper name was?


2 posted on 08/18/2009 1:38:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Casaubon

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?


3 posted on 08/18/2009 1:39:56 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: cripplecreek

So how many more of them are out there? He was working during the Bush years..why wasn’t he trying to incite the left wing?


4 posted on 08/18/2009 1:40:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: cripplecreek

Well, it wasn’t Jim Thompson...or that other guy whatzitsname?


5 posted on 08/18/2009 1:40:39 PM PDT by bcsco (How's that hopey-changey thing going?)
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To: Casaubon

Strange story. Is it entirely certain that he’s not still working as an agent provocateur?


6 posted on 08/18/2009 1:40:58 PM PDT by livius
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To: cripplecreek
>FBI trained NJ blogger...

Does the FBI
have open blogging classes
we can sign up for?

7 posted on 08/18/2009 1:42:01 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: cripplecreek

No doubt, right? There’s something wrong with a system of justice that incites violence so it can prosecute violence.


8 posted on 08/18/2009 1:42:17 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: cripplecreek

Hal Turner. He was banned years ago.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 1:42:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: Casaubon
agent provocateurs .... old tricks. They'll start planting them in Tea Parties and Townhall meetings. Just take photos and try to identify these clowns. They'll usually have short backgrounds and something will pop up in their background.

Video cameras and the internet will help us more than anything. It's always about intel. We just need to keep our eyes open and post it online wherever these quisling rats pop up. Like the bloggers in Alaska and the asshat in Alaska that kept filing ethics charges on Palin.

Two can play at these games... good for the goose, good for the gander.

Intel, Intel, Intel.. just keep posting and disseminate locations, names, backgrounds and especially relations between one group of lib rat-turds and another. The thing that criminal organizations like the democrat party hate is publicity. Let's keep giving it to them. ...like ACORN

10 posted on 08/18/2009 1:43:21 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
here is an interesting thought from one of the comments:

"So.... Basically..... what this guy's smuck is saying, is that the FBI... IN CHICAGO... was training this leftist to go out and bait the righties into shooting off their mouths so that the FBI... (IN CHICAGO....) could go out and legitimately arrest citizens of a particular political persuasion?
And, DHS (under new management, hailing…. FROM CHICAGO....) is busy producing volumes of definitions and reports that are to be used to incite Law Enforcement agencies to view Christians, Veterans, and Tax Activists as threats to society....

Hmmmmm..... should I be worried???? Should YOU be worried....???
I'm think the chances are real good, WE.... should be VERY worried..... "

11 posted on 08/18/2009 1:43:27 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Casaubon

People too this guy seriously? Hal Turner? I only saw people calling his show years ago and trolling him. I thought he was an @sshat.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 1:44:13 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama: The Prevaricating Provocateur.)
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To: RummyChick

This sort of crap was going on back in the 50s and 60s with the klan. I have no love for the KKK but why incite them to do something they may not do with encouragement?

The only reason I can think of is to use it as a means to change thinking and that is just plain wrong.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 1:44:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek
Wonder what his FReeper name was?

My first thought too...

14 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:02 PM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: cripplecreek

Hal is missing a few cards from the deck. Why would they pick such a half wit?


15 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:17 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Casaubon

What he did was entrapment had it been successful, afaiac.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Jim Robinson

Are you... series?

This is hugh!


17 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:27 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: RummyChick

If he worked Chicago, Ralm Emanuel has GOT to be involved.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:43 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: cripplecreek

If they are looking for an “agent provacatuer” it was probably “rabscuttle”.


19 posted on 08/18/2009 1:46:56 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Casaubon

2002-2007 - Bush years. And we thought Obama was a treat to personal liberty.

No, I’m not saying Bush was behind this. But it should be clear that big government can’t be trusted.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 1:48:24 PM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Casaubon

Seems like a long time ago I remember rumbling and rumors on the internet about him being a ‘plant’.


21 posted on 08/18/2009 1:48:30 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama: The Prevaricating Provocateur.)
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To: Casaubon

Sorry, I see that I wasn’t very clear. I meant to ask if it is certain that he wasn’t working for the FBI when he posted these things a few months ago. I think somebody like that is basically cut off and dumped if he blows it and gets arrested, and maybe that’s his case now.

Also, I have always thought that some of our more hysterical posters here are probably plants. I thought this particularly about illegal immigration, which is something virtually all of us oppose, but which they kept trying to focus solely on Hispanics so we would look like bigots because of the ugly things they said. Every time I hear somebody who’s really over the top, frankly, I think “agent provocateur,” dropping his line and trying to get a nibble.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 1:49:17 PM PDT by livius
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To: pissant

There was another I suspected recently who has since joined the banned. He posted some crap about them killing my children so I would be justified in killing theirs first.

A real nutjob and I’m real glad he’s gone.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 1:52:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

Wondering the same thing.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 1:53:02 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cripplecreek

Was this the idiot that had the guy with the gun logo on alot of his posts?


25 posted on 08/18/2009 1:54:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: livius

like they do with the CIA..if you are caught..too bad..we deny you.

May be the same thing here - especially since it is a new administration.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 1:56:34 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Casaubon

Kind of odd that its a bunch of Democrats who end up getting arrested all the time


27 posted on 08/18/2009 1:59:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: pgkdan

Post 9....Hal Turner.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 1:59:58 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: RummyChick

Because there were massive elements within the FBI that were/are sympathetic to the left wing. They did their bosses no favors during the bush years - unless you realize that they thought George Soros their boss...


29 posted on 08/18/2009 2:03:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: RummyChick; Jim Robinson

That comment was on the money. We should be afraid of what they’ll do. Suppose they send someone like him to the 9/12 march on Washington to change the energy of a peaceful but angry crowd into an agitated and angry crowd. It could go downhill very quickly if we don’t keep our heads.

FReepers, be wary of who is around you on 9/12. If they’re a little too susceptible to anger or agitation, be careful. Find out if others around you actually know that person. If not, point that person out to others so everyone can ignore him/her and marginalize his/her effectiveness.

And especially so if he/she claims to be a FReeper. You can find out if he/she is legitimate by asking questions that FReepers should know the answers to.

JimRob - As the convention gets closer are you going to offer tips and suggestions for dealing with obvious troublemakers?


30 posted on 08/18/2009 2:06:44 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: Casaubon
The FBI is trying to incite the citizens so that they can be arrested??!! Is there anything more that our government can do to the hated right-wing? Maybe that's what those internment camps they're advertising for are about. (I don't really believe that, but I could be wrong.)

So, Big Sis issues terrorist warnings against Conservatives and returning veterans. They want our neighbors to spy on us and report our "fishy" behavior (anyone not in agreement with Obama's policies). They train people to deliberately incite the right-wing online, so that they'll be arrested. They want to muzzle us on Conservative radio stations. They want Conservatives to FUND public radio (NPR, etc.). That want to ram health care down our throats (when our own private health care insurance works very well -- how about health care just for those that need it, not for those that already have it?).

Please add anything I've left out.

31 posted on 08/18/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: DJ MacWoW

Whaddyaknow? I wonder who’s taken his place since he’s been banned?


32 posted on 08/18/2009 2:14:09 PM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I have no tips. Maybe someone else does.

We had some leftists try to infiltrate one of our events in Fresno a few years ago. A couple of our big guys successfully muscled, er, shunted them aside until the police arrived. No violence occurred and our event continued peaceably as planned.


33 posted on 08/18/2009 2:15:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: RummyChick

I love you.


34 posted on 08/18/2009 2:18:15 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Obama--POtuS.)
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To: pgkdan

I’m sure that there are several people of the government persuasion on here. I remember reading DU one day (when I still bothered ugh) and a poster complained that the DoD pinged his computer as soon as he signed on. I imagine FR gets the same scrutiny.


35 posted on 08/18/2009 2:19:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“FReepers, be wary of who is around you on 9/12. If they’re a little too susceptible to anger or agitation, be careful. Find out if others around you actually know that person. If not, point that person out to others so everyone can ignore him/her and marginalize his/her effectiveness.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Good Advice, BT. I grew up in the deep south during the fifties & sixties. These people were referred to as instigators then. I think they call them community organizers now.

Same principle applies. Send someone in from the outside, stir up the locals, then get outta town before the SHTF. Don’t want to be around when fingers start pointing, don’t ya’ know!


36 posted on 08/18/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by hotshu (Keep the Faith, that will be the only thing 0bama doesn't try to steal from us.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That was on a military thread when someone linked a photo from the DOD website.


37 posted on 08/18/2009 2:29:55 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: darkangel82

Not the same thread that I was reading. (I don’t think) I was reading a General Discussion thread on DU during W’s first term. Can’t remember who the poster was. Anyway, it sounded like this was a frequent thing for him. I remember they said it happened often as soon as they signed on.


38 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Casaubon
I'm going to try to make this brief. A person I work with and several others organized a meeting a few months ago to talk about the policies coming out of Washington. This was even before the Tea Parties. I went to the first meeting they had. Everyone there was middle class and casually but decently dressed. When comments were taken, most of the people who spoke were slightly nervous and had a somewhat difficult time getting their point across, except for one. He was a clean cut young man (mid to late twenties) who claimed to be ex-Army. He walked around as he spoke and was very comfortable with public speaking. He was dressed in black jeans with a black tee shirt with cut off sleeves. His point was that maybe it was past time talking about problems and that it was time to take more aggressive action. He didn't come out and say what the action was, but he implied enough that everyone knew what he meant. His ideas were quickly dismissed by everyone at the meeting. It is my sincere belief that this guy was a plant by law enforcement to see if anyone would bite on what he said.
39 posted on 08/18/2009 2:38:50 PM PDT by suthener
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

thats it yer on the list!!

BTW...i call dibs on my bunk when we get to Obamas re-education/concentration camp.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 2:43:47 PM PDT by Casaubon (Internet Research Ninja Masta)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hal Turner. He was banned years ago.

Now that's just too funny.

41 posted on 08/18/2009 2:45:59 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrat - The Party of Bull Connor, slavery, Jim Crow laws, Obama and Suzanne Kosmas)
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To: RummyChick

That’s what I suspect. Also, this admin is out to get us.

Realistically speaking, I’m sure there are extreme nutcases out there who can be classified, loosely speaking, as “right wing.” That is, they’re extremists but not statists, not followers of Marx or Alinsky, and instead are probably either way-out libertarians or followers of some cultist such as that Mormon polygamist flake.

They’re hardly typical, but on the other hand, I don’t think they’re really much of a threat. The assassins we have had have generally been either leftists - such as Lee Harvey Oswald, Russian and Cuban pawn - or Muslims - such as Sirhan Sirhan. Still, I guess it doesn’t hurt to keep an eye on the more bizarre groups of either right or left, under any administration. In practice, however, the leftist groups always get a break.

I think Obama and the gang have probably been trying to increase the agent provacateur activity in hopes that some incident will actually occur - or that one created by them can plausibly be attributed to us (or conservatives in general, at least).


42 posted on 08/18/2009 2:47:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: suthener
It is my sincere belief that this guy was a plant by law enforcement to see if anyone would bite on what he said.

Scary story, and I think you're right. Whenever I see anybody here say, "well, you know what I mean..." I think it's probably an attempt to get a few actionable words, if nothing else.

43 posted on 08/18/2009 2:49:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: suthener

Wow! Did anybody else know him personally?


44 posted on 08/18/2009 2:50:14 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: cripplecreek; jimrob

He tried posting under Hal Turner many times during the clinton years. I think Jim banned him for His racist postings.


45 posted on 08/18/2009 2:55:34 PM PDT by jokar (The Church age is the only time we will be able to Glorify God, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: livius

The funny thing is, the most convincing argument against him being a plant was that he was too obvious and stood out too much. Except for the clothes, though, he looked like a stereotypical young FBI agent.


46 posted on 08/18/2009 2:57:20 PM PDT by suthener
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To: Casaubon
This is not an unusual tactic. It has long been understood that most 'groups' have been compromised by gov't shills.

After all, this government does not consider us to be the 'boss' of them, quite the contrary.

We are the herd to be managed in their eyes.

47 posted on 08/18/2009 2:59:02 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: pissant; Lazamataz
Hal is missing a few cards from the deck.
Why would they pick such a half wit?

And the few he had left were stacked erratically.

He was banned years ago

48 posted on 08/18/2009 3:02:13 PM PDT by jokar (The Church age is the only time we will be able to Glorify God, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: Casaubon

Bush’s Fault. It happened during his watch. And “Robert Swan Mueller III”. UFB! NO MORE RATS OR RINOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


49 posted on 08/18/2009 3:04:10 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Casaubon
"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

And other parties to act in a manner so that DHS could classify them to be terrorists, I presume.

Someone in the FBI needs to burn for this one. Instead, they'll probably get promoted like Lon Horiuchi.

50 posted on 08/18/2009 3:10:00 PM PDT by dirtboy
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